Ed Selby wrote:
I blame photographers - plain and simple.

Digital cameras are inexpensive. Once the initial purchase is made, there's no further investment - no film, no developing, etc. Guys who used to join camera clubs to shoot  girls now just offer $ to wannabes on the net to pose. The girls get some half-assed photos and some bucks. They have no concept or idea of what "being a model" means. They see no sense in paying a REALLY GOOD photographer for shots, or even shooting free with a really good photographer, because some half-assed picture taker who wouldn't know an f stop from a bus stop will pay her $150 to take her shirt off.

Well wouldnt that be both their faults?? I mean who cares if half assed photogs are paying half assed models to pose for their half assed photos? Who wants to work with either?

CAP210 wrote:
I'm surprised (or maybe I shouldn't be) that anyone cares what other people do.
It's a free market. If a person who has never "modeled" a day in their life asks for and gets a paid assignmet, more power to them. If a client thinks a person is worth paying for a photo session , for what ever reason, that's their perogative.
If you come in contact with someone, be it photographer or model, who you dont think is worth paying, dont work with them.
Personally, I can't see either group surviving on the others charity alone. At some point money enters into the equation - it always does. If hobbiests are willing to work for "free", let them, it's their right.
If professionals expect to get paid for their work , why is that a novel or shocking concept? If the rates are unrealistic, the market will sort out soon enough those that stay in the game, and will adjust thier rates accordingly.

I'm ranting about MM models that have contacted me through this site or my email asking to work with me but then asking me to pay them after I say yes. These are NOT professional models who DESERVE to be paid. If you're saying someone who has "never modeled a day in their life" should get paid when asked then I guess anyone and everyone can be a model. Things like this is what makes those types of aspiring models. Modeling is a business and takes a lot of work. Work and experience gets you the paid work and GOOD paying work. Just like other jobs.

If people want to do free work, good for them. If they are good enough to be paid, awesome. But if you have no experience or just dont have the talent, you should'nt be asked for payment. I dont mean to be rude but, the girls that have expressed payment from me will not be models, not even commercial or petite models.

There is a reason why people have resumes in the work force. Your resume determines if you get the job and how much money you'll be getting. It's no different in the modeling industry.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:

I'm ranting about MM models that have contacted me through this site or my email asking to work with me but then asking me to pay them after I say yes. These are NOT professional models who DESERVE to be paid. If you're saying someone who has "never modeled a day in their life" should get paid when asked then I guess anyone and everyone can be a model. Things like this is what makes those types of aspiring models. Modeling is a business and takes a lot of work. Work and experience gets you the paid work and GOOD paying work. Just like other jobs.

If people want to do free work, good for them. If they are good enough to be paid, awesome. But if you have no experience or just dont have the talent, you should'nt be asked for payment. I dont mean to be rude but, the girls that have expressed payment from me will not be models, not even commercial or petite models.

There is a reason why people have resumes in the work force. Your resume determines if you get the job and how much money you'll be getting. It's no different in the modeling industry.

So Tiffany as a model - would you consider doing a TFP shoot with me . I like your look ( and attitude ) and we live in the same city ....

MELmoore wrote:
Modeling is a passion of mine, but I had to come to the realization and rationalize that I am too short and 31 years old. I put in alot of TFP hours and now the print work/paid work is finally coming in. Last month I shot so much(all paid jobs) that I didn't get to see my kids allot. It was also getting stressfull having kids, having a business and modeling on weekends. I am backing off from all the photoshoot's offered because it will no longer be a passion if I can't enjoy it.
Kisses,
MEL

this has nothing to do with this post
Mel you have kids and still maitain that good body , wow :-)

Linnea wrote:
I understand the frustration everyone else is feeling with "models" like this.  I've seen several porfolios on here that just look like the girls thinks she's hot, has shots taken that look like snapshots by her friends, wearing her favorite party outfit that has nothing to do with fashion or trend but just represents her own personal style, and says she only accepts paid shoots!  It's ridiculous!  I would NEVER put that in my profile.  I've done the damn alcohol and brand promos, and I feel like little miss small town america doing it, but it's money, it's SOME form of experience, and at some point I'm praying to god it works out.  It drives me just as crazy as you photogs to have some 16 year old on here throwing up pictures of her and her friends expecting to be called a model.  I've never asked a photographer to pay me...EVER.  If one wants to pay me for a shoot, I will accept, of course, who would turn down money!  But I'm not going out there saying, "If you want to shoot with me, name your price".  Primadonnas!  Ugh!

HAHAHAHA, you are so right about the girls in their "favorite party dress"!! LOL
If someone wants to pay you, go for it! Who would turn down a paid gig? The alcohol promoting is experience but NOT MODELING EXPERIENCE. You are basically paid to be eye candy for the men. Imagine you are with a modeling agency, would they put their fashion models in that type of work? No. Promoting beer and other things for men will not futher your career. Sure, it's money, but it ends there. Just like girls who bend over cars in short skirts and tied up tank tops. It's money and you're there to attract men, but you arent a REAL model. Anyone and their sister can promote beer and straddle an import car (as long as she looks over her shoulder and smiles.. OH and has the latest Victoria's Secret bra). I have no issue with girls who are comfortable and enjoy this type of work. What bothers me is that they label themselves as MODELS when truly they aren't. When you say the word "model" you should think of fashion models like Gemma Ward, Heather Marks, Carmen Kass, etc. Not the pretty girl from highschool with loads of makeup, extensions and a plunging neckline. Girls like this are ruining the term "model" for those who do the REAL work.

Why not try promoting industry related material? Do in-store promo's for designers/boutiques (walking around in their garments, live mannequin, etc) and things like that. You can do a lot of networking and get exposure to industry professionals that way. Otherwise you will be labeled as "eye candy" instead of a "model" and wont be treated with the same respect or professionalism.

Garry k wrote:

So Tiffany as a model - would you consider doing a TFP shoot with me . I like your look ( and attitude ) and we live in the same city ....

You SURE you wanna work with me? I'm too short for your requirements I dont have much free time at this moment as I'm dedicated to photography and paid modeling assignments. I usually model on weekends and all my weekends are filled up until mid September.. think we can schedule something then? Send me a msg!

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
Why do models ask me to do a shoot and then ask me to PAY them?

I'm a working model.. I know how the industry works. Just because you've done a bunch of free portfolio shoots does NOT make you experienced.. especially if your port is crap.. no offense. REAL modeling work makes you experienced. By REAL work I mean paid exposure work that goes beyond modeling for websites, stock photography and promoting beer at your local club.

I'm not a bitch.. just tired of big-headed models that are snobby for nothing. Now I understand why photogs bitch so much about aspiring models.. sheesh.

Here's some advice to you aspiring/new models: Get portfolio images that will land you a job. That is the point of a portfolio! Don't just get a bunch of pics that you use more for your MySpace account than anything else. Know where your look will sell and go from there.

Once you've got a port go to an agency and/or network your ass off. No pay and little paying jobs are what get you the bigger ones. You have to start somewhere. Don't expect to be paid big when you have NO experience besides your portfolio and jobs Heather Marks would never do (ex. promoting beer). Do the respectful jobs that agencies would see as real work.

If any of you want anymore advice, feel free to message me. Other than that I'm just here to rant.

Tiffany...(on bended knee) I am her to proclaim my everlasting love for you and every word you have, or will ever, utter. The perfect model has just posted! Seriously, thank you so much. This is my HUGE pet peeve (which i think makes it more than a pet peeve actually) and honestly, when I see a model with webcam photos demanding "paid shoots only" I know she will never work a real modeling job (unless she considers cash from the GWC a modeling assignment). Thanks!

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Tiffany...(on bended knee) I am her to proclaim my everlasting love for you and every word you have, or will ever, utter. The perfect model has just posted! Seriously, thank you so much. This is my HUGE pet peeve (which i think makes it more than a pet peeve actually) and honestly, when I see a model with webcam photos demanding "paid shoots only" I know she will never work a real modeling job (unless she considers cash from the GWC a modeling assignment). Thanks!

LMAO!! Thanks!! I was a bit hesitant at first to talk about girls that demand cash without experience or girls that promote beer for "modeling experience" but it had to be said. I know girls who do the beer promoting things and they are insanely sweet and a couple (not all) are actually talented enough to be doing FASHION work. But I guess they like the attention and cash and that I can understand.

I'm only 5'6" and I can never be a top fashion model because of that.. sure there's Kate Moss and Devon Aoki.. but that's 2 out of hundreds and hundreds of professional models. I'm missing out on a lot of money because I refuse to do "eye candy modeling". I model because the industry is filled with so many different talented and creative people that come together and achieve a dream or goal.

Make-up artists, wardrobe stylists, hair stylists, designers, models, photographers.. they all have a talent and a passion. They all excel in different areas but come together for the same thing, the industry. Creating a vision and bringing it to life. Those are the ppl I admire and respect.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:

LMAO!! Thanks!! I was a bit hesitant at first to talk about girls that demand cash without experience or girls that promote beer for "modeling experience" but it had to be said. I know girls who do the beer promoting things and they are insanely sweet and a couple (not all) are actually talented enough to be doing FASHION work. But I guess they like the attention and cash and that I can understand.

I'm only 5'6" and I can never be a top fashion model because of that.. sure there's Kate Moss and Devon Aoki.. but that's 2 out of hundreds and hundreds of professional models. I'm missing out on a lot of money because I refuse to do "eye candy modeling". I model because the industry is filled with so many different talented and creative people that come together and achieve a dream or goal.

Make-up artists, wardrobe stylists, hair stylists, designers, models, photographers.. they all have a talent and a passion. They all excel in different areas but come together for the same thing, the industry. Creating a vision and bringing it to life. Those are the ppl I admire and respect.

Very well put...Much love to a fellow "shorty"..Great port ;-)

~Tiffany C.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:

I agree! It goes both ways..

I definitely agree. Big heads can go on anyone. A lot of GWC shoot their barely clothed neighbor with their disposable camera and think they are now a respectable "photogragher". It's sad to see people do this. Whether they be an aspiring model, photographer, or actress. Do what you do. Be professional. Don't brag (ESPECIALLY if you have no braging rights! that's the worst!) I've noticed, it's the people at the top who brag the least, and th epeople at the bottom who brag the most. They're like Chihuahuas. So small, and they bark more than a Saint Bernard. LOL

JAY carreon wrote:

Actually - "wannabe" would be more fitting.  "Aspiring" models would be more serious or at least better informed.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

........

Or is it "expired" or "perspiring" wanna-be's.  Personally, I've always felt the photographer was the talent- the model the biology.  And there's ALOT of good looking biology out there!

Keira Dazi wrote:
I've noticed, it's the people at the top who brag the least, and th epeople at the bottom who brag the most. They're like Chihuahuas. So small, and they bark more than a Saint Bernard. LOL

So true, so true...  I've never seen Gavin O'Neill, Eric Striffler, Stephen Eastwood (NYPHOTOGRAPHICS) or Roberto Aguilar (fotorat), just to name a few on this site... tooting their own horn.  Their work does it for them....  Same with Models on this site like JO, Melissa Baker, or Donna Feldman

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
What I'm ranting about are models that contact me and ask to be paid. If a photographer contacts a model they should let them know right away if it will be paid work or for images.

I do not think a girl with candid images has the right to call herself a model and demand to be paid. What makes her good enough to be paid? Because she's pretty? People need to take the industry more seriously, if that's what they want to be a part of. If it's a hobby, dont give yourself the industry names.

I never called myself a model until after I did some solid work (ad campaign and fashion week). I still feel funny calling myself a model because I'm not with an agency.

Everyone has a preference of what they will and will not work with. I prefer to work with models that have some experience infront of the camera and that are over 5'7" (or photograph taller). Experienced models with height produce more professional images, in my opinion. I don't want to work with a model that is 5'1" with web cam images and a pretty face. I will work with a shorter unexperienced model if she has a unique look or something I may need for my book. But I am not interested in the pretty girl from highschool. There is one in every highschool and there are millions of highschools around the world. They are not unique.

Back to the point of this whole thread.. inexperienced models shouldnt expect to be paid right away. Even the model pro's do test shoots to build their book first. A great portfolio is what GETS YOU THE REAL WORK. That is the POINT of a portfolio! Then your test shots are replaced by tearsheets. Dont waste your time or the photographers time getting a bunch of hot pics of yourself to show ur friends and post on MySpace. Unless, you're working with a GWC.

Everyone should have a goal. My goal as a photographer is to excel as a fashion/editorial photographer. Therefore I want to work with experienced models and models from agencies so I can have the best outcome that I can and network myself. As a model I want to do my best and try to do things ppl say shorter girls cant do. I'm crossing off goals as a photographer and model.

There are far too many people on model/photographer websites that look like they have no goals for the industry at all.. yet they call themselves MODELS or PHOTOGRAPHERS. Let's be realistic.. there are more GWC's and girls who will never become models on these sites than there are with real potential.

I can't believe a girl who is 5'2" will have a list on her profile stating that she only wants paid work and is interested in runway and billboards yet her whole port is full of cheesy shots mixed with web cam pics that would never get her legit work or a second glance by a real client or agent. Go to a legit agency and talk to the development agent. They will tell you what is realistic for your look.

Tiffany, you are comparing apples to oranges.  It may not be a reasonable thing
for a new model to expect to be paid but I understand it.  MM is a fun and
funky place but do you take any of this serious.  Most of the models here aren't
ever going to a agency.  Most will never grow beyond web cam shots or the
crappy thong shots we see on MM.  However if a model lives in a place that
has no agencies or is under a certain height and photographers offer her money
and many do, then accept the $$$.  I don't really believe that most people think
they will make it to the cover of Vogue or Elle.  Now here's what I think a real
model should do.  That is a person with a real chance should try.  Take some
clear shots in a swimsuit or nice dress.  Plain background.  Take a clear
head shot and find agencies near you that you can send them too.  Having
a complete book is often a waste of time because in many cases a model will
have images that a agency can't send her out with.  Notice I'm not talking
about the average girl next door with uneven teeth or the bad boob job or
who's 5'2".  Should those type of models work on getting a good book?
Why in heavens name should they?  Tiffany you have talent and your pretty.
However taking most of those on MM as serious doesn't work.  Many of the
agency models Test all the time.  They know the value of keeping busy but
they also are in the industry.  Even if what they get is too arty for commercial
use its all good.  Contrast that to a model from Imamodel, Ark.  She really
has no use for those cool images.  In short I agree with you EXPECT that many
of these models inexperienced or not have a right to ask for $$$ The question
is who pays and what do they expect for the money.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

Tiffany, you are comparing apples to oranges.  It may not be a reasonable thing
for a new model to expect to be paid but I understand it.  MM is a fun and
funky place but do you take any of this serious.  Most of the models here aren't
ever going to a agency.  Most will never grow beyond web cam shots or the
crappy thong shots we see on MM.  However if a model lives in a place that
has no agencies or is under a certain height and photographers offer her money
and many do, then accept the $$$.  I don't really believe that most people think
they will make it to the cover of Vogue or Elle.  Now here's what I think a real
model should do.  That is a person with a real chance should try.  Take some
clear shots in a swimsuit or nice dress.  Plain background.  Take a clear
head shot and find agencies near you that you can send them too.  Having
a complete book is often a waste of time because in many cases a model will
have images that a agency can't send her out with.  Notice I'm not talking
about the average girl next door with uneven teeth or the bad boob job or
who's 5'2".  Should those type of models work on getting a good book?
Why in heavens name should they?  Tiffany you have talent and your pretty.
However taking most of those on MM as serious doesn't work.  Many of the
agency models Test all the time.  They know the value of keeping busy but
they also are in the industry.  Even if what they get is too arty for commercial
use its all good.  Contrast that to a model from Imamodel, Ark.  She really
has no use for those cool images.  In short I agree with you EXPECT that many
of these models inexperienced or not have a right to ask for $$$ The question
is who pays and what do they expect for the money.

I TOTALLY agree with you. If the girls are offered the money, they should take it (as long as the shoot is safe). I'm not saying they shouldn't accept paid work. I just dont think it's right to ASK to be paid without experience, whether they have the look to be in Elle or not. You have to start somewhere, and seeing your face on a billboard when all you have is webcam shots will not get you there.

If they dont have the typical model look or dont have legit agencies in their area that doesnt give them the right to ask for paid work. There isnt too much going on in Vancouver (where I'm from) but I never ever asked photographers to pay me for portfolio work. It's like any other job, you need experience to get the good work and the check.

If they are on MM for fun and all that then they should stay that way and not expect to be paid for portfolio work or think they can be on a billboard. That's just wishful thinking. I guess I'm one of the ppl on MM that take the industry professionally because I hope to be a working professional in the fashion industry. If there are others that are just doing it as a hobby or for the fun, more power to you. Just dont ask to be paid when the shoot isnt for publication and is strictly for portfolio use.

I did a shoot with a top 3 finalist on Canada's Next Top Model (who has also been a professional model traveling to Asia and Milan) and she NEVER asked me to pay her when I contacted her. I'm also working with the head agent at a modeling agency to do tests with three of her models (including another Canada's Next Top Model finalist) and again, I'm not being asked to pay the models. That's why I find it funny when a girl with no experience and doesnt even have the look for petite modeling has the nerve to post her "rates".

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:

You SURE you wanna work with me? I'm too short for your requirements I dont have much free time at this moment as I'm dedicated to photography and paid modeling assignments. I usually model on weekends and all my weekends are filled up until mid September.. think we can schedule something then? Send me a msg!

Well - let me add that you are very pretty , and we both know that a lot of 5'6 models say they are 5''8  ( just put on those heels and presto ) ... Jammed up w shoots right now - but I will contact you in early Sept re a creative . But I gonna suggest that you come up with an idea for our collaboration

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:

I TOTALLY agree with you. If the girls are offered the money, they should take it (as long as the shoot is safe). I'm not saying they shouldn't accept paid work. I just dont think it's right to ASK to be paid without experience, whether they have the look to be in Elle or not. You have to start somewhere, and seeing your face on a billboard when all you have is webcam shots will not get you there.

If they dont have the typical model look or dont have legit agencies in their area that doesn't give them the right to ask for paid work. There isn't too much going on in Vancouver (where I'm from) but I never ever asked photographers to pay me for portfolio work. It's like any other job, you need experience to get the good work and the check.

If they are on MM for fun and all that then they should stay that way and not expect to be paid for portfolio work or think they can be on a billboard. That's just wishful thinking. I guess I'm one of the ppl on MM that take the industry professionally because I hope to be a working professional in the fashion industry. If there are others that are just doing it as a hobby or for the fun, more power to you. Just dont ask to be paid when the shoot isnt for publication and is strictly for portfolio use.

I did a shoot with a top 3 finalist on Canada's Next Top Model (who has also been a professional model traveling to Asia and Milan) and she NEVER asked me to pay her when I contacted her. I'm also working with the head agent at a modeling agency to do tests with three of her models (including another Canada's Next Top Model finalist) and again, I'm not being asked to pay the models. That's why I find it funny when a girl with no experience and doesnt even have the look for petite modeling has the nerve to post her "rates".

Tiffany you are expecting professional behavior from models clearly not informed
on how modeling works.  Quite often these are young women who really think
a photographer can make thousands with their images so why not ask for money
for gracing their portfolios as one model put it.  Here's what more photographers
should do as a reponse.  CHARGE.  Their are some real talents on this site.
People who's work is great who continue to waste their time and energy
shooting models who have little to no respect for them.  These being models
who show late if at all.  Models who insist on bringing mom, dad and the family
dog to the shoot.  Models who arrive unprepared to shoot.  Many of the new
models who ask for money have a almost stripper like view of things as another
model put.  I get paid to show my breasts.  Its a certain amount to see one
and more for the second.  Does that make the models wrong for expecting to
be paid?  Look I think because I'm a artist that models should desire to want
to produce beautiful work.  This so that they can maybe get paid work via
clients or to have nicer work people can see.  However thats me and my view.
Take a look at those same profiles of models in a few months.  Same tired
photos.  Many haven't logged on in months or weeks.  So much for being paid.
It all balances out.  Should a inexperienced model expect to be paid, sure on
MM why not, in the world of agencies with what they show on these sites, No.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
Why do models ask me to do a shoot and then ask me to PAY them?

I'm a working model.. I know how the industry works. Just because you've done a bunch of free portfolio shoots does NOT make you experienced.. especially if your port is crap.. no offense. REAL modeling work makes you experienced. By REAL work I mean paid exposure work that goes beyond modeling for websites, stock photography and promoting beer at your local club.

I'm not a bitch.. just tired of big-headed models that are snobby for nothing. Now I understand why photogs bitch so much about aspiring models.. sheesh.

Here's some advice to you aspiring/new models: Get portfolio images that will land you a job. That is the point of a portfolio! Don't just get a bunch of pics that you use more for your MySpace account than anything else. Know where your look will
sell and go from there.

Once you've got a port go to an agency and/or network your ass off. No pay and little paying jobs are what get you the bigger ones. You have to start somewhere. Don't expect to be paid big when you have NO experience besides your portfolio and jobs Heather Marks would never do (ex. promoting beer). Do the respectful jobs that agencies would see as real work.

If any of you want anymore advice, feel free to message me. Other than that I'm just here to rant.

We are the one's giving them a product at the end of the day.  Unless you are shooting them with the intention of selling those images to someone else, they should be paying us, bottom line.  I couldn't have said it better myself.

TXPhotog wrote:
Photographers at the level to get those assignments are able to get what they want out of anyone who has the right look.  If they can't, they don't get repeat business.

Sums up the entire industry in less than three dozen words.

Tiffany Alonzo wrote:
Why do models ask me to do a shoot and then ask me to PAY them?

I'm a working model.. I know how the industry works. Just because you've done a bunch of free portfolio shoots does NOT make you experienced.. especially if your port is crap.. no offense. REAL modeling work makes you experienced. By REAL work I mean paid exposure work that goes beyond modeling for websites, stock photography and promoting beer at your local club.

I'm not a bitch.. just tired of big-headed models that are snobby for nothing. Now I understand why photogs bitch so much about aspiring models.. sheesh.

Here's some advice to you aspiring/new models: Get portfolio images that will land you a job. That is the point of a portfolio! Don't just get a bunch of pics that you use more for your MySpace account than anything else. Know where your look will sell and go from there.

Once you've got a port go to an agency and/or network your ass off. No pay and little paying jobs are what get you the bigger ones. You have to start somewhere. Don't expect to be paid big when you have NO experience besides your portfolio and jobs Heather Marks would never do (ex. promoting beer). Do the respectful jobs that agencies would see as real work.

If any of you want anymore advice, feel free to message me. Other than that I'm just here to rant.

the average aspiring model thinks they can walk in the biz and call their own shots, not knowing, NO biz works that way. Most are a waste of time, don't study b4 they shoot, and feel they have worth becuase folsk tell them they are "cute" or "should model" a few eps of janice dickenson usually sets my newbies straight. your are nothing until you live and eat off of it. Even then, you may still be a bottom feeder.

DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
*gasp!*

Did someone just use the term Myspace? Hahaha.

Sorry. I think that ranting about aspirants is pointless and useless.

Agreed. Preaching to the choir and all that....

Samantha-Lynne wrote:
On the same note, there are also photographers who will blow themselves up so much...the typical, "I'll make you look beautiful!" Simple thing, if the model thinks she's good enough to get paid, by god..let her advertise that she only accepts paid..it really has nothing to do with you. Yeah..I get mad when people say I have to have an agency to be a model...I'm freelance..call me an amature if you will because of this, but what I do is offer afordable rates rather than starting at 30/h. That way it covers gas, for those of us who don't have the cash to drive a hundred mile round trip for a TFP/CD. I believe my time and skill are worth at LEAST the gas to get there. Its not something to get yourself worked up over, its their career...let them run it.

Using Gas in your car, compared to getting "Free Unlimited" amount of photos....hmmmmmmmmmmmm For a Wedding...that would cost them thousands!

You're not going to get a Wedding album for free, so spend the money on gas and get your hundreds and hundreds of free photos on Disc!

Photographer Costs:

Equipement
Equipement ware and tear repairs
Time in Photoshop
Print developing
CDs
Gas in photographer car
Tolls for crossing the bridge

I think the Photographer's Costs are about 100 times more than one fill up at the Amaco Gas Station.

Study in Light wrote:
I've seen a few new girls work with me to build a port then think they are gonna walk into a top NY agency right away.  They get discouraged when the big jobs don't come in and end up working at Wendy's or some such place.

But as a shining example of just the opposite, I've been shooting a girl the last couple of months who knows what market she wants to reach (cute/sexy/glam....Maxim/FHM, etc) and insists on shooting in that style.  She has pushed me to give her as much spare time as I could and she turned in a few pretty good shots.

She has been patient and just let the pics build up.  She trusted me to help her pic out the right combination of technically and aesthetically good photographs.  Just this week we sat down and submitted her for a handful of small jobs.  As luck has it, she picked up 3 jobs the first day.  The nice thing is she thinks these small jobs are the best thing that has ever happened to her and knows it is where she has to start.  She is more than content to work for free or almost free to get the exposure and good word-of-mouth, not to mention the experience.  I'm pretty dang proud of her too!


I wish all the new girls were as dedicated and patient as she is.

I wish a few of those were in my town....what a change of pace one like that would be. Jayne Jones was the last one I worked with that that good of an attitude.