WG Rowland wrote:
After all, everyone knows I'm a blatant pornographer.

yeah, you gotta stop taking pictures of naked poodles....and what about Mosley? Didn't he contribute to your shoots for a while? What happened to him?

Lapis wrote:
For collaborative projects where the model, MUA or wardrobe stylist came up with the idea. C'mon folks, here on the higher realm where I operate, collaboration is the greatest thing to happen, and everyone contributes. More people need to realize that. Great models do more than pose. They give ideas, etc. Great MUA's and wardrobe stylists are the same way. There is more than one time I have had to direct a shoot and change the lighting (especially for paid shoots) because I knew more about the photography than the photographer.....does that mean I list myself as artistic director as well as model? The arrogance of some (mostly mediocre, sorry) photographers is a huge turn off. I WILL NOT work with anyone who considers me a bowl of fruit....unless it is Ocean Clark.

Doctors recommend eating fruit every day.   
I see thousands of photos that never mention the model's name.

We keep our models secret. No one else must see them.

MalameelPhotography wrote:
Funny, how people think the model did all the work, I have to direct them, show them how to pose, how to express, and basicaly do there job.  And after all this work, people think all I did was push the button.

It goes both ways, there are idiots on both sides of the fence.

The best thing is to be concerned with what you are doing and move on.  You do not like a photographer or model or MUA or whatever, then get what you can nd move on...
M

Oh wait.. Yeah.. It's all me..

Forget that half thing..

Use em and lose em..

Wolf189 wrote:
Dear Lapis

Would you be my "bowl of fruit"?!

Here's the result of my 24 y.o. fantasy to be painted like a bowl of fruit carried on a platter into a room (and I wonder why I model....)

https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1159311

Lapis wrote:

Here's the result of my 24 y.o. fantasy to be painted like a bowl of fruit carried on a platter into a room (and I wonder why I model....)

https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1159311

This is so fun! A lot of work....I wonder if people will try to grab the bowl instead of the fruits! I am being silly.

How did you like the result? And did the photographer appreciate your idea?

DigitalCMH wrote:
I like to eat fruit.

Another conservative out of the closet..

Lapis wrote:
There is more than one time I have had to direct a shoot and change the lighting (especially for paid shoots) because I knew more about the photography than the photographer.....does that mean I list myself as artistic director as well as model? The arrogance of some (mostly mediocre, sorry) photographers is a huge turn off.

Dave Wright Photo wrote:

Don't test with mediocre photographers, and you won't have that problem. You shouldn't be working with photographers that know less about lighting than you do, unless you're getting paid, and unless you're getting paid to art direct, don't art direct. Test up.

Yep. I don't work with photographers who know less about lighting than I do unless they are paying me. I think you can tell (hopefully) from my port I personally have no problem with the collaboration with artists aspect. I don't work with new photographers for free....I work testing only if they intrigue me and I want to frame some of their photographs and put them on my wall....so I usually work only with gallery/art/fashion photographers on a testing level.

I am just saying that it is usually mediocre photographers working with mediocre or inexperienced models who are the ones complaining they do all the work, and don't appreciate the collaborative nature of true art.

Lapis wrote:
I am just saying that it is usually mediocre photographers working with mediocre or inexperienced models who are the ones complaining they do all the work, and don't appreciate the collaborative nature of true art.

Lapis wrote:
Here's the result of my 24 y.o. fantasy to be painted like a bowl of fruit carried on a platter into a room (and I wonder why I model....)

https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=1159311

Did you notice the model did not get credited?  I'd like to think of you more like a bowl of tangy HOT peppers. 

I do notice this a bit and the reverse, plenty of comments on model’s page but nothing on the photographer’s page.  If you are becoming the art director, negotiate a work for hire sort of arrangement or collaboration credit for that specific image.

I’d rest assured, a model capable of become one’s muse, becomes self evident to the viewer.  Their contributions don’t go unnoticed.

MalameelPhotography wrote:
Funny, how people think the model did all the work, I have to direct them, show them how to pose, how to express, and basicaly do there job.  And after all this work, people think all I did was push the button.

You need to start choosing better models then.  I never have this problem.

Iona Lynn wrote:
Good point Lapis but this seems to be the way of the photography world.

Then you're working with the wrong photographers.

Lens N Light wrote:
If you have a good idea for a shoot, hire a photographer to shoot it and you own the images. You can bill yorself as model and art director.

This thread is giving me new insight into why i have no trouble finding models...

BobPhotos wrote:
Fairly noisy thread here but I'll toss in my dime: Working with staff, models, stylists, etc who do not contribute to the effort attenuate its outcome. As the lensman it feels like swimming against the tide.

When I have to spend 80% of my time trying to get an expression or pose, well heck, here's the check kiddo, call back when you know what your doing and out they go.

I am proud to say that with some of my fav stuff all I did was "push the button" because the model knew what was expected, the assistant knew where to put the light, the stylist knew what to do - without any conversation, no yelling, just everyone working in harmony, working as a team. Synergy people, its all about synergy.

IMHO, in the hot, stuffy, confining space of a small studio there has to be a connection felt between all especially when trying to shoot art. and... always, but always give credit where credit is due! When the team works as it should, everyone gets on the credit line. When it doesn't, there is no credit line.

JM2C
b-

So the two model names as titles in your port count as the credit line, or no? 8)

Lapis wrote:
For collaborative projects where the model, MUA or wardrobe stylist came up with the idea. C'mon folks, here on the higher realm where I operate, collaboration is the greatest thing to happen, and everyone contributes. More people need to realize that. Great models do more than pose. They give ideas, etc. Great MUA's and wardrobe stylists are the same way. There is more than one time I have had to direct a shoot and change the lighting (especially for paid shoots) because I knew more about the photography than the photographer.....does that mean I list myself as artistic director as well as model? The arrogance of some (mostly mediocre, sorry) photographers is a huge turn off. I WILL NOT work with anyone who considers me a bowl of fruit....unless it is Ocean Clark.

If you come to me with an idea... you have become a client:
You pay and I don't need credit ;-)
You'll go home happy with the picture that you wanted to create and I'll do it as much as I can to make it looks as you imagined it.
Now, If you know what to do with the picture and you are the one putting it on the market, you don't need the photographer to give you credit for anything. You buy the picture rights, you get it to print and can add as many credits as you want aside the picture.

If you collaborate with a photographer, just make sure that you know the person before you shoot. Just don't work with people that are no playing by the same rules you do play. Nah?

Lens N Light wrote:
If you have a good idea for a shoot, hire a photographer to shoot it and you own the images. You can bill yorself as model and art director.

Oops... I took too long to reply and you did say the same thing in 2 lines