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Are instant messangers professional?
I dont say it for my own sake, but someone just contacted me through msn, said some stuff about if I would like to do print or go to europe. here. guy-hey r u ok 2 chat.? Me-i guess guy-great ..where r u.?may ia sk what area of modelling do you do.? Me-sorry im spacing out cause im sleepy Me-alt modeling guy-wherer r u.?we need to chat... Thats part of it..but am I living in like another world is it really normal to introduce themselves as a professional, have an e-mail address that doesnt show up anywhere on google, or use "u" and "2" instead of spelling the word. Not to mention said person "couldnt remember where they found my e-mail address" but knew I did modeling...Am I totally out of it? Do people do this? Aug 11 06 09:04 am Link I think it's safe to bet that he/she/it isn't legitimate. Messengers are notorious delivery tools for scammers. Aug 11 06 09:06 am Link No, it's not professional AT ALL. Aug 11 06 09:06 am Link i get this sometimes, and its ridiculous, i normally block them, they talk like u r ok and do ya do modelin? Its a joke! Also when i ask where they got my address from, they make up some rubbish excuse! Aug 11 06 09:08 am Link Oh not to mention the guy is ridiculing me for not being "open" when I "need" that for alt modeling and I said if you mean photographer I have to be comfortable with the photog (this is just me so we dont have to argue) and I said if he means personal life then I dont know anyone who is and he said "you'd be suprised about that its standard in europe" I dont know if thats red flag to anyone else but I think he is assuming Ive never been. Aug 11 06 09:10 am Link im not purposly bumpig this but now he has been in every country in europe twice and was born in london! Aug 11 06 09:24 am Link I think it would be interesting and funny if P Diddy, Snoop Dogg, and their crew were actually very erudite, well spoken business types when they interviewed their "ho's". Do you have a resume and references for your prior work? I see, this is quite impressive. Dogg, I think we might invest in Ms. Cheri here, she seems like she has all the proper credentials for our new "Slap Dat Ho" video. Would you like to pontificate on your impression? LOL. Aug 11 06 09:25 am Link I would say they are not professional, as a first means of introduction... To discuss things later after you have met, I think its ok... But not as an intro: HEY, wanna shoot... Never that peace ridwan Aug 11 06 09:30 am Link i think its twisted transiter or something where like these rapper switch place with snoop and 4 other rappers and they are in a meeting and the rappers are pretending to be metallica or korn... i forget.. but they are talking about doing metal and said rock band is like "no no no hip hop is in" I dont like either artist that much but the video is hilarious Aug 11 06 09:31 am Link If you use them professionally it is professional and just another means of communication, who wants to wait for an E-mail? You would never leave a phone number just anywhere as well. I use it all the time and include my web site address, my link here and the best E-mail to use so Models can in fact look around before responding. Sincerely: Alexander FitDistMedia.com Aug 11 06 09:33 am Link Me says: hey who have some of your clients been? guy says: K...I gotta go now ..have a great day....byee.. Aug 11 06 09:35 am Link Posting his IM name may be a good way of warning people who to look out for. Obviously, he doesn't sound legitimate so sharing his IM name shouldn't harm his already very questionable credibility. Aug 11 06 09:39 am Link Its not an aim name its through msn the e-mail is [email protected] I searched on google and cant find a single thing on it unfortunately for me I come up alot with my e-mail address...I probably should have considered the fact that exodia is a yugioh! card....ugh Aug 11 06 09:42 am Link Tikal wrote: OK -- let's think about this -- when was the last time you talked to your doctor or ob/gyn on an IM? How about your car repair guy? Ever used one to talk with a lawyer? Your hairdresser? Aug 11 06 09:47 am Link Who cares! It's fun. I have a few photographers and models on mine. We talk shop and ask each other questions: I am located here: [email protected] lol Aug 11 06 09:50 am Link I actually worked on an engineering design across the country communicating with my counter part with IM. Of course, that may explain why I'm no longer in the field, LOL. Aug 11 06 09:50 am Link Yeah the title of the forum was more of an eye catcher and like "do ya'll think it is" I thought it was a fake from the second he said "r u in 2 modeling?" but I didnt know if other people used it as a professional means of communication.. or think that other people do. Trust me Im a skeptic. Aug 11 06 09:52 am Link DarioImpiniPhotography wrote: Well, very true -- it gets used by coworkers all the time. But that is typically a case where you have a previously-established working relationship. Aug 11 06 09:56 am Link OP Are instant messangers professional? Depend on the circumstances Who is IM you? Why? When? I feel the question should be: It is appropiate to get an IM from people that don't know me and try to hire my services as model ? I will say yes. But has nothing to do with IM. Aug 11 06 09:57 am Link Yeah I agree with that like I said the topic was mainly an opener because 'do you think Im is professional?" is a more logical topic then say "Do you think this guy from msn is a fake" but I kind of wanted everyones opinion on the matter also... so I guess that was my question, but I understand for some people its cool and its totally one thing if your screen name (not that it should hold more value one way or the other) is something like cpfeast compared to im convo in questions yugioh screen name. Aug 11 06 10:01 am Link The only time I've used IM for business, was when I worked for an ISP, and we all had an instant messenger client because it was quicker than walking to someone else's desk for intra office communication and even then, imortant communications were always by email. That was over a decade ago. I have since used messaging maybe a half dozen times. I have ranted many times about how instant messaging is a pain, and I wish it would go away. Other than the above example, I have never encountered an industry that considers instant messaging a professional means of communication. Aug 11 06 10:02 am Link bang bang photo wrote: being one-sided is not being professional in this and many other ever changing industries. Aug 11 06 10:02 am Link Well I wouldn't say its a "professional" means of communication - at the same time IM does not represent a distinctly unprofessionial medium. Obviously the story from the OP illustrates a fairly unprofessional scenario. I can't beleive the "photographer" didn't want to immediately establish legitimacy by sending a link to a strong portfolio (presumably his own!). I communicate with several business colleagues via IM (at times). The model I worked with most recently wanted to touch base with me after the shoot via IM - we talked about how things went and then I sent her a link to the finished (web sized) images. I don't think those scenarios represent unprofessional practices just because we used IM. Perhaps the difference is that we had already established legitimacy with face to face communication as well as phone calls etc. Work had been seen and trust had been developed. I don't think the rules are hard and fast ("IM is not a professional means of communication!") but the PRINCIPLES of professional practices are. Aug 11 06 10:04 am Link NOT VERY.......ESPECIALLY THE ONE YOU SHARED I GOT ONE YESTERDAY. "HEY DUDE YOU READ MY F----'N PROFILE CATCH YOU ON THE FLIP-FLOP" FROM A 19 YEAR OLD FEMALE. CALL HERSELF AN EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONAL. I DON'T THINK SO. Aug 11 06 10:08 am Link Please- everyone knows the only professional method of message delivery is parchment scroll delivered via horse drawn carriage. Dont be afraid of technology people- any technology in the world- there is misuse- dont blame the medium. -Jose Aug 11 06 10:08 am Link Photofurnace wrote: See thats the thing he isnt a 'photographer" hang on Ill pull up what he said ... Aug 11 06 10:08 am Link A. KAYE wrote: Does she mean "flip-side" cause I think I have heard that on tv at least... never flip flop... Aug 11 06 10:09 am Link FitDistMediacom wrote: How is it being "one-sided" to simply point out that in a wide range of "professions," that IM is not utilized? I think it's a fairly relevant point. Aug 11 06 10:10 am Link I prefer emails so I have an easer time and record of what was said but ten years ago emails were not profesional. I use IM to chat with friends and to chat with other photographers I know before hand. it is faster than emailing back and forth and enables me to comunicate while doing other work on the computer and multi task. I do not post my IM anywhere I have to give it to you if I want to. My email is public enough for me. Aug 11 06 10:24 am Link I swear, this is all one guy. He always says he is not a photographer (great - now he's using the jargon "tog") - convenient that, so he doesn't need to show any examples of his work. He is always someone who "hires" models. Aug 11 06 10:25 am Link IM is just a means of communication, how professional it is depends upon the person using it. I wouldn't use IM as a means of introduction any more than I'd "cold call" a model on the phone for a shoot. I'm an IT analyst in the "real world" and we use IT as our primary communcation link, it's fast, you have a hard copy record and it's FREE! Don Aug 11 06 10:36 am Link We used IM frequently in my previous job as an IT anaylist for an international corporation. A quick way to brainstorm, share a link or just a little watercooler talk with someone in another location. It can definitely used professionally, but so far, only when I have an established rapport with someone. I do not share my IM with anyone until a rapport has been established. To me having a stranger contact me on IM is like having someone solicit at my front door. I prefer more privacy... Aug 11 06 10:42 am Link Tikal wrote: Did he ask you to test on a web cam? Aug 11 06 10:44 am Link I've started using IM more, but I always start my emails the same as I start my IMs. "Hi this is Kevin Schmidt with Lazyi Photography(MM # ******), I saw your profile(under the name ________) on ModelMayhem and was wondering if you had a moment to talk." IM can be professional if you treat it professional. I mean, does it make the phone unprofessional when I answer it "City morgue, you stab 'em, we slab 'em." IM is just another step in technology, it just needs a bit more time to be fully accepted. Always act professional, and it doesn't matter how you get the message there. Aug 11 06 10:47 am Link bang bang photo wrote: I disagree with this. The only reason you don't IM your doctor, car repair guy, lawyer, or hairdresser is because they are not available to you. Aug 11 06 10:51 am Link bang bang photo wrote: I don't see how you can say this is not a means for professional communication. Its the same as e-mailing or calling someone. This business is all about how you present yourself. If your legit you will have a portfolio to backup what you are telling the model. Aug 11 06 10:55 am Link Tikal wrote: Tikal Aug 11 06 10:55 am Link I don't feel IM is a professional method of making an introduction or first contact. E-mail or the MM messaging system is better for that. I do feel the IM has its place as a useful tool for hashing out details or brainstorming. Like any other form of electronic communication, the level of professionalism is dependent on who is bashing the keys. If you need or want a more lasting record of the conversation, simply follow up with an e-mail detailing the highlights of the IM, much as you would for a telephone call. Aug 11 06 10:57 am Link e-string wrote: no way Aug 11 06 10:59 am Link IM is not a professional method of contacting someone. To many fakes in the internet world. Back before the internet we used a thing called a telephone Aug 11 06 11:02 am Link |
