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Photographer

Robert_Darabos

Posts: 274

Saginaw, Michigan, US

The way he was talking and writing was definately not professional.

but i dont think anything is wrong with contacting through a messenger.  i've contacted models through them, models have contacted me through them, etc. 

maybe it is the way you write and type on them that shows professionalism?

Aug 11 06 11:03 am Link

Photographer

Fotographia Fantastique

Posts: 17339

White River Junction, Vermont, US

I don't even have an IM.

When I had one it always caused problems with my internet connection, and I eventually found out from my ISP that AOL Instant Messenger was the problem.

Then, I was always getting annoying spam messages, random people messaging me, etc. Even IM's from friends can be impositions if you are in the middle of editing an image or something. Not to mention that I find it difficult to compse my thoughts when "chatting".

Then everybody kept switching around - one year they were on AIM, the next on Y! Messenger, ICQ, MSN Messenger. I had to have one of each - and all of them open and running a the same time. What a pain!

Someone eventually told me a year or two ago to get "Trillian" some app that consolidates all to one or something. But it didn't and still doesn't (as far as I know) work on Mac!

It is all so frustrating.

Aug 11 06 11:05 am Link

Photographer

Analog Nomad

Posts: 4097

Pattaya, Central, Thailand

DigitalCMH wrote:
Are you telling me that if you had a way to IM any of these professions, you wouldn't?  I'd LOVE it!

big_smile

Gosh -- I wonder why they don't do it then? (Please don't tell me it's because doctors, etc. hate technology -- I know better).

Aug 11 06 11:06 am Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

It *can* be professional. If you have your AIM, MSN, Yahoo!, or other chat name included in your MM profile then you can probably expect to be contacted that way.
But if it's a true professional contat they will begin by stating who they are, who they work for, and where you can find their work. They will also be happy to give you references of models they have worked for and whose site you can find their images.
If you don't get this, post what info you have on them and block them. We don't need another beautiful girl disappearing.

Aug 11 06 11:09 am Link

Model

A BRITT PRO-AM

Posts: 7840

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

Eric Tragedy wrote:
I don't even have an IM.

When I had IM  it always caused problems with my internet connection,
Then, I was always getting annoying spam messages, random people messaging me, etc.

another reason those using it look ... not serious

even if the intention is good

Aug 11 06 11:14 am Link

Photographer

aesthetix photo

Posts: 10558

Macon, Georgia, US

bang bang photo wrote:
IMing is NOT a "professional" means of communication.

It can be.  I work for the best-known software company on the planet and we use an IM platform for about 80% of our 'on-the-fly' communication. 

When I was in sales prior to this, about half of my largest clients used IM to contact me since they could IM an order in from any computer, PDA or cell phone if they were somewhere they couldn't talk openly.

I use it daily to talk with models I've worked with or want to work with.  It's not about the platform, it's how you use it to communicate.

Aug 11 06 11:19 am Link

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aesthetix photo

Posts: 10558

Macon, Georgia, US

bang bang photo wrote:
Gosh -- I wonder why they don't do it then? (Please don't tell me it's because doctors, etc. hate technology -- I know better).

Maybe for the same reason doctors don't set their own appointments.  How many times have you called your doctor's office and had the doctor answer the phone?

Aug 11 06 11:24 am Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

bang bang photo wrote:

Gosh -- I wonder why they don't do it then? (Please don't tell me it's because doctors, etc. hate technology -- I know better).

They don't do it because their jobs don't keep them seated at a desk working on a computer.  They don't have time to devote sitting on a computer and answer people's IMs.

Photographers and models are a bit different.  We are OFTEN at our computers.  And if we didn't want to be contacted via e-mail, we either would not make our SNs public OR launch the IM application.

I've been contacted via IM many times by models.  I have no problem with it.  They often get quicker responses and sometimes easier to share a quick dialog through IM vs e-mail which I do not check every 30 seconds.

As someone else said, it's not the medium we use for communication that matters.  It is HOW we communicate.

Hi, how are you this evening?

Hey baby, you lookin' fine.  How 'bout you and me hook up and kick it? holla back yo!

Aug 11 06 11:24 am Link

Model

Jessalyn

Posts: 21433

Denver, Colorado, US

my opinion on it is no, it's not professional at all.

but the reason I wanted to reply to this posting was because I read that he wouldn't tell you where he got your email address or how he knew that you modeled.

The other day I got an email at my Yahoo! email address and it was an E-Card from an address I didn't recognize. Normally I would have deleted it (as spam) but I read it and it was a short love note. So I replied to the email address asking who this person was. through a series of emails back and forth (him definitely hitting on me trying to get my phone number to seduce me) I discover that he had found my picture on a motorcycle parts website (for his Ducati) and thought I was stunning so he decided to email me. I have been trying to get the web address out of him but he hasn't revealed it. So I don't know if a photographer sold my pictures and email address to someone?? I would hope that a photographer would have more common sense than to just hand out my email address....I'm still investigating but I am hoping it's just a friend of mine playing a sick joke....

Aug 11 06 11:33 am Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

I always have my Yahoo on, and sometimes I start up Trillian which lets me chat with anyone on AIM, Y!, MSN, and ICQ at the same time.
I have never experienced any issues with my internet connection, and I rarely get random messages or spam (and the senders get quickly blocked).


Eric Tragedy wrote:
I don't even have an IM.

When I had IM  it always caused problems with my internet connection,
Then, I was always getting annoying spam messages, random people messaging me, etc.

Aug 11 06 11:35 am Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

if you seriously have to ask the question, you should probably be banned from the internet by your mommy, daddy or guardian.

use yer fekkin noodle.

Aug 11 06 11:39 am Link

Model

Tara Jane

Posts: 311

New Haven, Connecticut, US

I took my im off my portfolio. I like to discuss business using business communication tools, the phone being my least favorite, as it's a pain to record and type everything said in a convo and I like to have a copy of what's discussed saved in case anything goes differently but mostly to help me remember what I am supposed to do, where, how I am to prepare, and what to bring/wear. If you tell me this over the phone or instant messenger, and expect me to remember, I'm probably gonna end up messing something or everything up. I hate when photographers force me to plan over aim or the phone, and will soon stop working with those that do. I've taken college courses on business communication, they do not cover instant messaging. I am not a fan of instant communication, and hate to try to use them for business.

Aug 11 06 12:55 pm Link

Photographer

Michael Kirst

Posts: 3231

Los Angeles, California, US

It's a shame that in this day and age of modern technology we scorn certain avenues in which people choose to communicate with one another on a "professional" level. Especially when one has the option of listing it (IM) as a source of contact through a website such as this.
I too would probably think it unprofessional if someone's only initial contact with me was through an IM, however this is because this is the stigma or taboo that is placed on these means of communication. Understandably so, since yes, there are a lot of scammers out there that find this method of communication a convenient way of keeping ones anonymity. That said, this site does offer it as a source of communication so 'don't shoot the messenger', so to speak, just yet.
Hopefully one day the marvels of modern technology will actually make our lives a little more convenient instead of creating such cynical stereotypes. I mean hey, when Henry Ford starting developing the automobile people thought he was a fool and noone would ever travel by those means. So the next time you want to possibly book a model that might be out of state, hop on your horse and make the journey to talk to the model in person because then he/she will know that your sincere and professional! Or just use common sense and go with your gut and experience. big_smile

Aug 11 06 01:12 pm Link

Model

Tikal

Posts: 209

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Oh well, thanks all for the feedback, I mainly wanted to know if any professionals talk like people on aim do (not everybody)Ill post back if her ever signs on again.

u guys r  2 cool.
k thnx bye.

Aug 11 06 01:21 pm Link

Model

Catriona

Posts: 3674

Portland, Oregon, US

I'm curious - how many models here have actually received legitimate, followed-through work offers through IM? I'm not talking about someone who e-mailed you first, but someone who initially contacted you through IM and ended up having a real-life photoshoot with you.

I'm suspecting there won't be a lot of people who answer in the affirmative... Considering that it seems like every other day models are on here complaining that some random creep tried to scam them/harass them/get them to do "webcam auditions" (i.e. free porn shows) over IM, I'm frankly amazed that anyone still lists their IM contact info on their profile.

Aug 11 06 01:25 pm Link

Photographer

Glen Berry

Posts: 2797

Huntington, West Virginia, US

It's possible to use an instant messenger program in a very professional manner, and it can have lots of real advantages: no long distance charges, easy file sharing, conferencing, voice communication, photo sharing, automatic logging of the conversation, etc...

I used to do some work for a small software company in Scotland (from my location in the USA), and we used Yahoo Instant Messenger all the time. It saved a huge amount of time, compared to emails. It also saved a lot of money, compared to a telephone. Being able to send photos and software back and forth, and do conferences was the icing on the cake.

However, the person described in the original post is NOT acting professionally. It's not a problem with instant messaging. It's a problem with the that person. Unfortunately, there are too many other out there like him.

Instant messaging is good. Unprofessional idiots are bad—no matter what means they use to communicate with you.

take care,
Glen

Aug 11 06 01:31 pm Link

Model

Amanda Padilla

Posts: 1772

New York, New York, US

Catriona wrote:
I'm curious - how many models here have actually received legitimate, followed-through work offers through IM? I'm not talking about someone who e-mailed you first, but someone who initially contacted you through IM and ended up having a real-life photoshoot with you.

I'm suspecting there won't be a lot of people who answer in the affirmative... Considering that it seems like every other day models are on here complaining that some random creep tried to scam them/harass them/get them to do "webcam auditions" (i.e. free porn shows) over IM, I'm frankly amazed that anyone still lists their IM contact info on their profile.

NONE right here.

I had someone e-mail saying they work for a modeling agency, writing my e-mail.
and no one has that e-mail, I asked him how he got it. He said he forgot.
I just ignored him.   I got his e-mail and check to see if he was on myspace, and he was he looked like a sicko big time. 

I have had many times  asking me to "webcam audition" LOL

I just took my AOL and Yahoo name off MM and they soon stopped!

Aug 11 06 01:34 pm Link

Photographer

A Errico Media LLC FIT

Posts: 456

Newtown, Pennsylvania, US

AIM= FitDist ;-) and I guess smilies are bad too right? Just connect people and never waste anyone's time while you do it. Not responding to an IM is the same as hanging up a phone on that person, so ultimately there is always a person on the other end of whatever. Manners are far more important then what text book professionalism is. SPAM or Cons are not what this post was about right?

Aug 11 06 01:40 pm Link

Photographer

A Errico Media LLC FIT

Posts: 456

Newtown, Pennsylvania, US

Glen Berry wrote:
It's possible to use an instant messenger program in a very professional manner, and it can have lots of real advantages: no long distance charges, easy file sharing, conferencing, voice communication, photo sharing, automatic logging of the conversation, etc...

I used to do some work for a small software company in Scotland (from my location in the USA), and we used Yahoo Instant Messenger all the time. It saved a huge amount of time, compared to emails. It also saved a lot of money, compared to a telephone. Being able to send photos and software back and forth, and do conferences was the icing on the cake.

However, the person described in the original post is NOT acting professionally. It's not a problem with instant messaging. It's a problem with the that person. Unfortunately, there are too many other out there like him.

Instant messaging is good. Unprofessional idiots are bad—no matter what means they use to communicate with you.

take care,
Glen

Wonderful, thank you.

Aug 11 06 01:41 pm Link

Photographer

Bay Photo

Posts: 734

Marseille, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France

i think it is just another form of communication. just a tool.  it is all about how that communication transpires.  if he can;t follow up to you with any direct contact info or seems to be talking in a decietful manner, go with your gut

Aug 11 06 01:45 pm Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

Yahoo! messenger can save all your conversations with date/time stamp so you know when and how long you spoke to someone.
I have all conversations I've had with models online when setting up shoots or meetings.


Tara Jane wrote:
I took my im off my portfolio. I like to discuss business using business communication tools, the phone being my least favorite, as it's a pain to record and type everything said in a convo and I like to have a copy of what's discussed saved in case anything goes differently but mostly to help me remember what I am supposed to do, where, how I am to prepare, and what to bring/wear. If you tell me this over the phone or instant messenger, and expect me to remember, I'm probably gonna end up messing something or everything up. I hate when photographers force me to plan over aim or the phone, and will soon stop working with those that do. I've taken college courses on business communication, they do not cover instant messaging. I am not a fan of instant communication, and hate to try to use them for business.

Aug 12 06 02:21 am Link

Photographer

hypolux

Posts: 462

Atlanta, Georgia, US

oldguysrule wrote:
if you seriously have to ask the question, you should probably be banned from the internet by your mommy, daddy or guardian.

use yer fekkin noodle.

...sage words.

Aug 12 06 09:32 am Link

Photographer

PPRO Analyst

Posts: 149

Chicago, Illinois, US

Anjel Britt wrote:
no way
its just not neccessary to go that route, its untrackable, un retainable and way too casual / immediate for an prof intro.
Ever.

Just for the technolgy view,  IMs create the same electronic trails that emails do and they are harder to spoof (fake) than emails.  IM is used by EVERY Fortune 500 company in some form to support their business mission.
IM can be saved, or even set to auto archive so you don't have to remember to save them. 

I currently have about 5 years worth on my desktop.

Don

Aug 12 06 10:10 am Link

Photographer

00Philip00

Posts: 184

Vass, North Carolina, US

I don't use or have any messengers - would prevent me from getting my work done. Just my 2cents.

Aug 12 06 02:03 pm Link

Photographer

Alluring Exposures

Posts: 11400

Casa Grande, Arizona, US

Exercise self control and work when you're supposed to, and chat only during breaks.

00Philip00 wrote:
I don't use or have any messengers - would prevent me from getting my work done. Just my 2cents.

Aug 13 06 12:02 pm Link

Photographer

J & X Photography

Posts: 3767

Arlington, Virginia, US

The US Military has an extensive CHAT network, believe it or not...it has better encryption than voice nets...

You can chat from a fox-hole in Iraq with a ship in the Med...or anywhere else in the world..

IM is just another form of communication that will soon be used world-wide everywhere at all levels of gov't and society...I really doubt its going away.

THAT BEING SAID, nothing beats meeting someone in person, shaking their hands, and looking them in the eye to square them out.

Aug 13 06 12:26 pm Link

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J & X Photography

Posts: 3767

Arlington, Virginia, US

Tikal wrote:
I dont say it for my own sake, but someone just contacted me through msn, said some stuff about if I would like to do print or go to europe. here.

guy-hey r u ok 2 chat.?
Me-i guess
guy-great ..where r u.?may ia sk what area of modelling do you do.?
Me-sorry im spacing out cause im sleepy
Me-alt modeling
guy-wherer r u.?we need to chat...

Thats part of it..but am I living in like another world is it really normal to introduce themselves as a professional, have an e-mail address that doesnt show up anywhere on google, or use "u" and "2" instead of spelling the word. Not to mention said person "couldnt remember where they found my e-mail address" but knew I did modeling...Am I totally out of it? Do people do this?

IM is not a "professional" way to make initial contact with some one.  Send an e-mail with a link to examples of your work.  Write a professional e-mail with CORRECT GRAMMAR.

It is OK If you want to IM *AFTER* initial contact has been made to square away details later.

Aug 13 06 12:29 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

No it's absolutely not professional. And the spelling errors (not just "u" for "you") is appalling anyway.

Aug 13 06 12:33 pm Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

I'm a 47 year-old male who takes pride in my online savvy in terms of website creation, online forums and portfolios, MySpace, and e-mail communications.

A big exception is chat and other forms of instant communication, towards which I have a more "old fart" attitude. I don't like 'em!

Aug 13 06 12:40 pm Link

Photographer

miss z

Posts: 977

San Francisco, California, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
The way he was talking and writing was definately not professional.

but i dont think anything is wrong with contacting through a messenger.  i've contacted models through them, models have contacted me through them, etc. 

maybe it is the way you write and type on them that shows professionalism?

I agree with this.  I think any form of communication can be turned "professional."  The most important factors are of course to establish the validity and identity of the people in the IM conference, and that they have the same agenda or purpose for the chat.

There's nothing wrong with that, the buffer can be saved for legal purposes (along with IP addresses and such), and can be referred to for clarification.

Of course nothing beats a phone conversation or better.. going over things at lunch or dinner.

Aug 13 06 12:46 pm Link

Photographer

David Birdsong

Posts: 1789

Pontiac, Michigan, US

I have used it once I have established the contact via email with models...
I have a shoot coming up that the only way I could get the model to set a date to shoot with me was to catch her on AIM  and say Hey when are you going to book that shoot we have been talking about for 3 months.

Aug 13 06 01:46 pm Link

Model

A BRITT PRO-AM

Posts: 7840

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

PPRO Analyst wrote:

Just for the technolgy view,  IMs create the same electronic trails that emails do and they are harder to spoof (fake) than emails.  IM is used by EVERY Fortune 500 company in some form to support their business mission.
IM can be saved, or even set to auto archive so you don't have to remember to save them. 

I currently have about 5 years worth on my desktop.

Don

yikes!
i have conversations i saved from IM with ex lover in CA but had to edit them later for spelling as the typing (on my side) was so illiterate - then re read to try to figure out where the misunderstandings came from
;-(
since i could have edited it to say other stuff - edited dates as well etc it seemed that's no record
Hmmm

Aug 13 06 05:44 pm Link

Model

Christine

Posts: 1300

Los Angeles, California, US

umm that's just wierd.

Aug 13 06 07:09 pm Link