Forums > General Industry > Escort brought camera & did their own shoot ?!?!

Photographer

IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

Ok here's the story...
  So the model brought an "escort" to a shoot, who mostly just sat and ate the photographer's food. Like it was a buffet or something.
  Then the photographer invited her to bring in her camera. So then, she went out to her car, got her DSLR, plugged in the strobe between shots, and did her own mini shoot? Is this normal?


Edit : Ok people. Yes, the story was true, but now that I've got my fill of useless drama...we can let it go.... smile

Aug 03 06 09:11 pm Link

Photographer

J Schumacher

Posts: 1220

Gustine, California, US

Sounds a bit rude, except: the photographer invited escort to bring in camera? That sounds like an opening to me. If the photographer had an issue with the escort shooting, what is the purpose of telling them to get their camera?

So, rude, unless consentual.

Aug 03 06 09:14 pm Link

Photographer

Ryan Colford Studios

Posts: 2286

Brooklyn, New York, US

Iris Swope wrote:
Ok here's the story...
  So the model brought an "escort" to a shoot, who mostly just sat and ate the photographer's food. Like it was a buffet or something.
  Then the photographer invited her to bring in her camera. So then, she went out to her car, got her DSLR, plugged in the strobe between shots, and did her own mini shoot? Is this normal?

I don't think it was normal for the photographer to invite her to bring in a camera.  But ultimately it was weird in my opinion.

Aug 03 06 09:16 pm Link

Photographer

Farenell Photography

Posts: 18832

Albany, New York, US

No, its not normal. But the photographer did invite another person to shoot. So what's the problem?

Aug 03 06 09:17 pm Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Iris Swope wrote:
Then the photographer invited her to bring in her camera.

I don't see any rudeness at all.  The camera was in the car and she was invited to go out and get it.

If she had brought it in and started shooting on her own, that is a different matter.  The photographer is free to invite anyone he wants to.

Aug 03 06 09:17 pm Link

Photographer

Darryl Reece

Posts: 70

Hollywood, Florida, US

When I started out, I worked with professional photographers and always brought my camera. I usually got a few shots in between sets-with the photog/model permission.
In the case above, the escort was actually invited to shoot. Nothing wrong with that...

Aug 03 06 09:18 pm Link

Photographer

jac3950

Posts: 1179

Freedom, New Hampshire, US

Why, in heaven's name, did the photographer invite the escort to bring in her camera???

Aug 03 06 09:18 pm Link

Photographer

Troy Council

Posts: 59

Brooklyn, New York, US

I take my camera everywhere I go, but would never break it out on someone else set  unless invited like in the case you just stated

Aug 03 06 09:22 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45289

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Iris Swope wrote:
Ok here's the story...
  So the model brought an "escort" to a shoot, who mostly just sat and ate the photographer's food. Like it was a buffet or something.
  Then the photographer invited her to bring in her camera. So then, she went out to her car, got her DSLR, plugged in the strobe between shots, and did her own mini shoot? Is this normal?

WTF!   Don't tell me that you let someone walk all over you like that?  A model bringing an escort is fine by me, I can even live with the food being eaten.  Models have even had escorts who were also photographers of various levels, I'm fine with that!  I have been an escort for models too!  BUT I have NEVER had such a request from a model to be able to pull out her DSLR, plug in and have an escort shoot?

THE PHOTOGRAPHER should not have invited the model to do so in the first place, but that is the most tacky thing I've heard of in regard to model/photographer ethics.   I have NEVER asked or presumed that I should be shooting the model I'm escorting.  I have had models bring photographers as escorts (some of these photographers even more capable than me) and these photographers were completely PROFESSIONAL ESCORTS!  One time I dropped my camera just a couple feet from a carpet floor, and the auto focus wasn't working .. the professional photographer who escorted the model was ready to go get HIS camera for me to use if I needed it.  Now that is the way to be!

Aug 03 06 09:25 pm Link

Photographer

J Schumacher

Posts: 1220

Gustine, California, US

When I escort, I take my camera.... but we scout locations, and shoot on the way to, or on the way home from the shoot. It's my escort tax.

Aug 03 06 09:25 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45289

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Colford Studios wrote:

I don't think it was normal for the photographer to invite her to bring in a camera.  But ultimately it was weird in my opinion.

Yes, that is it!  Why did the photographer invite the model to bring the camera in and shoot in the first place?  Did the model suggest or ask if it would be ok?  Then the answer should have been "No!"  End of question.

Aug 03 06 09:27 pm Link

Photographer

Fotographia Fantastique

Posts: 17339

White River Junction, Vermont, US

On a location shoot I had a boyfriend/escort follow us around taking pictures from the same angle with his camera. I was so taken aback, I really didn't know what to say. Fortunately he seemed to get bored after awhile and stopped.

But if this person you speak of was invited, then what's the problem? At camera clubs, stuff like this happens all the time.

Aug 03 06 09:31 pm Link

Photographer

Myke Newman

Posts: 31

Memphis, Tennessee, US

I believe the photographer was being facetious by saying go get your camera, in other words the escort must have had some unwanted input that was annoying.

Aug 03 06 09:34 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

Can someone tell me why people don't have control over their shoots/sets?

You let people into your house so they can rummage through your underwear drawer and refrigerator as well?

Aug 03 06 09:35 pm Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Ya know what, to me it is really up to whatever the photographer wanted to do.

I have had models from out of town have photographers drive them to my studio.  These are people I knew were photographers that were merely acting as taxi drivers.  When I was done shooting, on more than one occassion I have invited them to use the studio and shoot.  I had no problem with it.

I have had models bring frineds who had never seen them with professional make-up or wardrobe.  A couple have asked if they could take a picture for their scrapbook.  That has never bothered me as well.

To me it is a question of demeanor.  If someone comes expecting to shoot, I have a problem with it.  If it is someone I know or there is a harmless situation, like a friend who wants a snapshot, there really is no issue.

Where I would have a problem is if someone brought a camera and expected to shoot.

Aug 03 06 10:14 pm Link

Photographer

megafunk

Posts: 2594

Los Angeles, California, US

So if the escort morphed into a photographer, how on EaRFFF did the model feel safe?!?!?!!

Aug 03 06 11:30 pm Link

Photographer

J Schumacher

Posts: 1220

Gustine, California, US

megafunk wrote:
So if the escort morphed into a photographer, how on EaRFFF did the model feel safe?!?!?!!

Yes, because all photographers are evil and slimy.

Aug 03 06 11:33 pm Link

Photographer

JM Dean

Posts: 8931

Cary, North Carolina, US

I’m guessing she thought she would go get a little point and shoot. Was shocked when a DSLR came out and she knew how to plug it into the sync cord.

Aug 03 06 11:40 pm Link

Model

A BRITT PRO-AM

Posts: 7840

CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US

yes
exactly

photog superiority?

photo shock!

Aug 03 06 11:50 pm Link

Photographer

RED Photographic

Posts: 1458

Iris Swope wrote:
Ok here's the story...
  So the model brought an "escort" to a shoot, who mostly just sat and ate the photographer's food. Like it was a buffet or something.
  Then the photographer invited her to bring in her camera. So then, she went out to her car, got her DSLR, plugged in the strobe between shots, and did her own mini shoot? Is this normal?

Well, it is only a story...

Aug 03 06 11:51 pm Link

Photographer

RonSmithPhotography

Posts: 61

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

This story sounds like a lie,I believe the model had an over bearing escort who brought their camera into the shoot and at some point started to shoot and maybe the photographer was spineless and didn`t know how to stop it, or there was more to this story ,sounds like pre fab bull....

Aug 03 06 11:51 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

This is a joke!

John

Aug 03 06 11:53 pm Link

Photographer

RonSmithPhotography

Posts: 61

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Iris why did you let this happen to you?

Aug 03 06 11:54 pm Link

Photographer

IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

This story is entirely true, yet hysterical.

And, while we were discussing it, we were mentioning posting about it on MM.

Here's a spin on the story though....I'm the escort with camera smile (and the one who ate all the photographers food)    He asked me 4 different times if I wanted to shoot with his stuff, before I went and got the camera.

And no, I wasn't being obnoxious, I was quietly reading a magazine. Wait, maybe he was hoping I'd quit eating his food!?!?!
 
And! I posted this from his personal laptop.....

lol

But his studio (and snacks) rock! smile

Aug 04 06 12:10 am Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

*snort

Aug 04 06 12:15 am Link

Photographer

Joe Alcantar

Posts: 438

Beaumont, California, US

I have a feeling the escort was a GWC or photographer?

hmmmmm,

Aug 04 06 12:18 am Link

Photographer

IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

oldguysrule wrote:
*snort

You don't know how excited I was, that I got to post a stupid topic like that though! smile

Aug 04 06 12:20 am Link

Photographer

nick latino

Posts: 291

Tucson, Arizona, US

so let's see if this thread can just stop right now....

i ask you to do something and you do it....

then i get upset because you did what i asked you to do....

sounds like the only person messed up is the person who offered in the first place...

no discussion needed....

Aug 04 06 12:20 am Link

Photographer

Edgardo A Diaz

Posts: 3

Gaithersburg, Maryland, US

The photographer is the director. He or she makes the rules. That he would allow the escort to go and get there DSLR and start shooting... this to me is very unprofessiona.l

Aug 04 06 12:25 am Link

Model

Bunnie Page

Posts: 1161

Dallas, Texas, US

Nope, the story is entirely true, I saw it all happen. It was confusing...but funny!

And yes, she was giggling all excited to post about it on MM.

The "original" photographer didn't mind though! He wasn't the one that made the post!

(we really did eat all of his snacks though tongue )

Aug 04 06 12:27 am Link

Photographer

IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

nick latino wrote:
so let's see if this thread can just stop right now....

i ask you to do something and you do it....

then i get upset because you did what i asked you to do....

sounds like the only person messed up is the person who offered in the first place...

no discussion needed....

No one was upset, I just wanted to make a post about it smile

Isn't useless drama what makes the MM world go round wink

Aug 04 06 12:29 am Link

Photographer

Stan The Man

Posts: 733

Brooklyn, Indiana, US

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.........

Aug 04 06 12:30 am Link

Model

Bunnie Page

Posts: 1161

Dallas, Texas, US

Iris Swope wrote:
Isn't useless drama what makes the MM world go round wink

Yes, yes it is...and that's why people are getting upset.

Aug 04 06 12:31 am Link

Model

Bunnie Page

Posts: 1161

Dallas, Texas, US

KEVIN HILL wrote:
WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.........

Too amuse the OP wink

Aug 04 06 12:31 am Link

Photographer

IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

KEVIN HILL wrote:
WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.........

Fun for me

Useless (and fake) drama for you

lol

Seriously, It just seemed like something that should be posted here...

Aug 04 06 12:31 am Link

Model

Bunnie Page

Posts: 1161

Dallas, Texas, US

Iris Swope wrote:

Fun for me

Useless (and fake) drama for you

lol

Seriously, It just seemed like something that should be posted here...

I called that one!

Aug 04 06 12:32 am Link

Photographer

Nihilus

Posts: 10888

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Iris Swope wrote:
But his studio (and snacks) rock! smile

Perhaps he hopes you will 'come back and visit'. wink

Aug 04 06 12:34 am Link

Photographer

Tim Casey Photo

Posts: 6

Gainesville, Florida, US

I'd think the model would be distracted from the primary photographer, which would detract from the purpose of the photo shoot in the first place. I always ASK models to bring an escort, if nothing else, to help hold a reflector or something if I can't find an assistant.

Aug 04 06 12:36 am Link

Photographer

IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

Tim Casey Photo wrote:
I'd think the model would be distracted from the primary photographer, which would detract from the purpose of the photo shoot in the first place. I always ASK models to bring an escort, if nothing else, to help hold a reflector or something if I can't find an assistant.

Oh no, the model wasn't distracted. The primary photographer just sat back and watched smile

Aug 04 06 12:37 am Link

Photographer

Keith Carey Photography

Posts: 163

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

Who's studio was it? Who's light kit was it? I think the proper thing to do would hve been to ask you "the scheduled photographer" if it was cool to do a few shots.

Aug 04 06 12:38 am Link