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is goth a turn off???
well im new to modeling, and have had a few shoots But it seems to me that being goth, i have found that there is no real market for it. I mean you see goth models on club flyers, magazines, and websites. But it seems you have to have wild colored hair or mulituple piercings. And I wonder how do they get into it, how do they find the shoots??? Does anyone know where to look for goth shoots?? Or do i have to be 98 pounds to be noticed??? Jul 30 05 07:07 pm Link If you want to make a living as a goth model - forget it. No one does. Most of the top girls who DO make a living at it also have adult sites and do fetish stuff. No one makes a living doing pure goth modeling. That being said, if you want to do it to make some extra money, it can be fun. Doing things with Hot Topic and Lip Service are some of the biggest companies that will actually pay you something. Still not enough to pay the rent, but at least you get some extra change in your pocket. If you want to get into Skin Two and Marquis and whatnot, well, technically that is fetish work and NOT goth. If you want to get into Gothc Beauty, then make sure your look is goth and not too fetish-oriented. But the two things to remember: 1 - You won't make a living at it. 2 - You CAN make a living if you go beyond "goth" and also do fetish-work and amature, alterna-porn stuff. Jul 30 05 07:17 pm Link What Eric said sounds good, And. Great idea for a thread. Goth a turn off? No but a bit silly sometimes. Sometimes it is great. Honestly it is not about your not being 98 pounds. You need better images and to create a character for yourself. Then be flexible not to stay with the character for every shot or for forever. Jul 30 05 07:19 pm Link I thougth this was gonna be about sex...um...nevermind. Never get piercings or tattoos cause you think it might get you goth work. I do this for fun and get some decent money on the side. But thats cause I pose nude and do some tame fetish work. But I don't do it just for money, I do it cause its fun to me. Jack is right about being flexible. Being able to change your style for different shoots is really important. The more you have to offer the more someone will want to work with you. Jul 30 05 07:43 pm Link Goth is an area where you have to like what you do and remember not to quit your day job. Jul 30 05 08:15 pm Link Posted by urban prospect: Pretty much true for most models unless they live in a major market or have an internet pay site. Jul 30 05 08:17 pm Link Unless you're willing to do adult work, it will be just for fun. Hey, it's MY favorite.  http://www.josienutter.com/?page=model Jul 30 05 11:07 pm Link The others are right, you can make a little $$ on the side from goth modeling, but the money is in fetish and/or adult work. I do modeling as a hobby, but I can look either pretty "extreme" gothy/cybery, or look like a normal girl who just happens to have fair skin and dark hair (no piercings/tats for me, if you want to keep your versatility, don't cover yourself in those). Most photogs I have met aren't turned off by the goth thing unless it's done horribly (black lipstick, whiteface, capes...cheese). As far as 95 lbs is concerend, take it from me, the pinup figure is often seen as a major plus in the alt. modeling world. Jul 30 05 11:47 pm Link I haven't had a problem with goth shoots yet. But i totally agree with io. Fetish and adult workis where the $$ is. Jul 30 05 11:50 pm Link If goth means wearing a red dress like paleosan's then I am all for that kind of goth. Jul 30 05 11:52 pm Link Posted by alexwh: Aww you're too kind. Jul 30 05 11:53 pm Link Posted by Josie Nutter: That was lame self promotion dear. very sad, you do not need it. Jul 30 05 11:53 pm Link Posted by Josie Nutter: So where are the nudes? Jul 30 05 11:55 pm Link LOL. It wasn't promo. That would be page=modelling. The model page is a FAQ for beginners. I thought it might be useful to the original poster... (Sigh.) Jul 31 05 12:11 am Link Posted by Jack D Trute: Posted by Josie Nutter: That was lame self promotion dear. very sad, you do not need it. reading between the lines Jack? Jul 31 05 12:17 am Link Posted by Josie Nutter: You always seem to be helping Josie, and even on your yahoo group, you answer every message yourself including the gaming techie stuff. You go girl! Jul 31 05 12:19 am Link Posted by ziocite: Believe me, if you find the right photographers and are marketed correctly, you can make it as a Goth model. Especially in California. And no you would not need to be 98 pounds,lol. Jul 31 05 02:19 am Link Posted by ziocite: Ooops. sent before I was done. I suggest also sending some of your photographs in "Goth mode" into some of the well known Goth magazines. Jul 31 05 02:20 am Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: I have met plenty of Goth modeling only females who make their living at Goth modeling without doing fetish or adult work. Jul 31 05 02:22 am Link Posted by Glamour Boulevard: Really? I've never met one. Or heard of one. There is also only one "well-known Goth magazine" (Gothic Beauty) and a few smaller 'zines. Telling this girl she could make a living as a Goth model with the right photographers and marketing is about the same as telling her she can be a fairy princess. Jul 31 05 02:29 am Link Sadly Gothic and Art Gothic has LOST it`s feeling mostly here in the US, and all looks like PORN and trash for the most part, the TRUE ART GOTHIC (European style) lives on in Scandinavia as I see it I used to shoot Gothic styles, but it`s just NOT me, it`s really too dark and dumpy and depressing as the people who work in it, and way too much drama and bullshit involved *(much much more worse than the retro-rockabilly scene)* I had a magazine deal go bad once and it left a bitter taste in my mouth, and there`s TRULY no $$$ to be made in it Gothic fashion is interesting but most companies are too anal to be serious about shooting serious photography for their wares, it`s a waste of time for me really The only Gothic art that I like is artistic vampire stuff, ala vintage movie style, this is something that FEW people even bother doing, mostly all the vampire stuff is pretty tacky looking nowadays, bad models, bad photog`s etc. etc. And as always this is just my opinion.....LOL! Jul 31 05 02:39 am Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Indeed Eric sums it up nicely...and I must say I've NEVER met or heard of a Goth model making a living off of it...it's rare for fetish / alt-softcore models to actually make a living from that side of things either.... Jul 31 05 02:40 am Link Gothic Beauty and similar magazines don't pay for content-- the people who send in submissions simply get publicity (as long as the credits aren't screwed up, which seems to happen more than it should). Jul 31 05 03:07 am Link Posted by ziocite: Sorry, late to this discussion due to my computer being in the shop for a month. I, like the others here know of no "Goth" model that makes a living simply staying within the genre. To your comments about needing wild color hair, multiple piercings and weighing 98 pounds I would have to disagree. It is my opinion that the gothic subculture is very open to all women & men regardless of their shape, size or hair color. I have travelled the country shooting Goth models and have photographed models that have weighed as little as 88 pounds and as heavy as 225 pounds. Most of your work will come from photogs like me that are captivated by the Gothic look, on-line Goth zines,clothing & adult Goth sites and the occasional documentary. But if it is something you are passionate about, the money should not matter. Aug 07 05 07:42 pm Link that's a good insight about the goth "scene" My question is: isn't the Goth modeling scene more than overcrowded (like the fetish scene too?). I mean every goth girl seems to be a wanna be model. So it would make sense that you can make some $$ on the side, but not a living out of it. Aug 07 05 11:13 pm Link well MDSPHOTO I wish there were more photographers like you in cali, but sites like gothic sluts, barely evil, rubberdolls, all of them you dont see the 225 pound model on them. fact is all of them are skinny and/or had plastic surgery. I meant goth as a turn off to photographers, and the money helps me with my bills, I'm not quiting my day job. I want my own website because it would be nice to make money from it, but also i can express myself, shoot wherever i want, in whatever i want. And not in a cemetery, or old house, or anywhere most goth pictures are taken. Places like the beach or seacliffs, etc Aug 08 05 12:19 am Link Posted by io: Yeah, I AM 98 pounds and could never really wear a corset. Dammit Aug 08 05 12:24 am Link The goth scene has it´s stars too you know  But not a lot of money involved... Why don´t you check out some of the alternative agancies/listing sites? My fav is (of course, since I´m one of the NMAgirls!) Nocturnal Models Agency. But Living Dead Girls and Wicked Talent is also out there. Maybe you wont get so much work from them, but it is definetly a way to be seen. I have gotten some stuff from NMA, and in my opinion they are really nice, serious and has a great site. [sorry if that was to much ad ]Aug 08 05 01:29 am Link I agree with Dark Faerie. Check them out. It really, too, depends on where you are. California is better for jobs in the goth market (check out wickedtalent and Donna Ricci)..as far as I am seeing right now. But it is important just to BE WHO YOU ARE AND DO WHAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. Don't classify yourself as 'goth' or 'alternative'...sometimes that will pigeonhole you. I always say I am 'goth to glam' because I do both genres. You have to be flexible...and as far as gothic sluts, SG and all those site and 'skinny' girls. Honey, I was 275 pounds- lost a tremendous amount of weight, and now I am on there....it is not about the weight, it about the look. I'm sure I would've gotten on if I was still 275...it is how you portray yourself and your look that matters. And yes, Fetish and Adult make more money in that market, if you want to go that direction. But don't pigeonhole yourself, that is all I am saying. BE FLEXIBLE. You can make a living doing anything as long as you have the passion and drive to succeed. (Just take a look at Josie..who does like..EVERYTHING-lol- sometimes all at once, you techie you!-smile) And I have to check that Nocturnal models thing out..thanks! (wink) Sun Aug 08 05 02:17 am Link Posted by JMA689: Honey, you can say that about MODELING IN GENERAL....isn't it overcrowded? How many net-models, OMP's, and other model 'sites' are out there? How many 'supermodels' do you know? Aug 08 05 02:22 am Link Gothic has nothing to do with weight, or funky colored hair, or tattoos, or piercings, or sacrificing crickets... Gothic is about mood. Some people here perhaps are confusing the fetish models with the gothic style in which most choose to be shot. One does not need to wear all black, wear eye liner, and listen to Manson while burning pachulli to be goth... only posers would suggest that sort of thing. Additionally Goth as art is not dead, in fact those who photograph in it's mood and genre are some of the best known and highest respected photographers. Ad agencies are slowly moving more towards the art side of photography because of the overblown and somewhat flooded market of FHM and Maxim style photography.... Go buy a few fashion mags, see how their light is set up.... there are more shadows and contrast... deeper richer tones, and a more somber mood... hence more gothic in type. I don't think it's being gothic that has no photographers contating you... because I would not consider you gothic.... Neither do I think it's your wieght that is the problem; in fact there is an increasing market for Plus sized models now in retail sales (Kmart, sears, JC Penneys). I just think you need to work with some photographers who know what they are doing... who are aware of what is flattering to you personally, and go from there, you'll do just fine. Modeling in general is a tough business... it has nothing to do with genre or wieght. Aug 08 05 09:11 am Link Posted by ravens laughter: True. But here's the difference. Ad Agencies don't look to the "goth community" to fill the campaign. The normal route of selecting agency models and utilizing stylists to create the mood is taken. Aug 08 05 09:39 am Link Posted by ziocite: Not a turn off to me at all. I'd love to shoot goths and look forward to the opportunity. However, as a hobbyist, I am not going to make anyone rich. Aug 08 05 10:32 am Link I've been doing goth photography ever since I'd started in this business. I know a number of models who do gothic modeling only and make their living at it. There are a few groups (such as Cybernaughtyka or Edmonton Kink) in the area where I live and these apart from serving as goth modeling agencies do live performances and stuff too. Being goth model does not have to limit you to photographs. Perhaps you might want to check if there are similar groups in your area and join some of them (mind you as with any other modeling agencies there are good ones and useless ones. Before you sign a contract, you sould know who you're dealing with). Aug 08 05 11:21 am Link Yeah theres no real market for goth in the US. theirs circuits for it in europe & in asia.. you might want to try & find some underground stuff for those. Aug 08 05 11:29 am Link Marketing 'goth' is just a matter of marketing, maybe a small market segment, but it's there. Place your portfolio in 'Yahoo' groups - and check "CraigsList.Com" for 'Talent Gigs' Aug 08 05 03:09 pm Link Posted by ravens laughter: *hooray* Aug 08 05 03:53 pm Link goth is hot.. i dont do it because i dont know how..but love to see it! Aug 08 05 03:55 pm Link well i have done craigs list, all i got were guys wanting to fuck me being goth or someone saying ill help you come over to my place so i can take nude photos. And im not big on agencies, alot of people have said they dont allow escorts, ex: bfs or husbands. Only female assiatants, and my safety comes first!!! over the money and the pictures, plus pepperspray isnt going to stop someone all the time. Larisa is right, goth is hot and i have always felt comfortable in my skin so to speak being goth. i dont feel pretty or hot being what others consider normal. and to ravens laughter, you said goth is a mood, so how can you consider me not goth????? you just oing by my pictures! Aug 08 05 04:08 pm Link ziocite wrote: You don't see that many 200lbs models in Vogue and Vanity Fair either, but their are still opportunities available. Be positive, you are just starting out and need to have realistic expectations. There are models here who have been at it for 15 years that still have day jobs, but stay in modeling because they are passionate about their creative expression. I would agree with one of the other posters about contacting Donna Ricci at Wicked Talent. Donna does represent + size Goth models for a catalog outfit. Aug 08 05 05:34 pm Link |
