Model
Samcmahon
Posts: 51
NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US
Model
Envy
Posts: 11189
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Samcmahon wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/25/bill.bradford.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
I thought this link was a good reminder for models to be extra careful of who they work with. If it happened then, it can certainly happen now. http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/07/25/b … men.ap.jpg
#19 had some hellacious hair.
Photographer
Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
Fearmongering is awesome.
Photographer
Philip of Dallas
Posts: 834
Dallas, Texas, US
If someone is going to get murdered, statistics show it will most likely be by someone they know. So I would caution everyone to avoid people they know.
Photographer
Veteres Vitri
Posts: 1994
MAYLENE, Alabama, US
And i thought this would be a thread about Bob Shell
Model
Envy
Posts: 11189
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Philip of Dallas wrote:
If someone is going to get murdered, statistics show it will most likely be someone they know. So I would caution everyone to avoid people they know. Good point!
I wanted to go to the gym, but the guy who greets me at the front desk knows my name. Come to think of it he knows my address too. I think I will just stay in this evening and go tommorow on his day off. It's better to be safe than sorry.
Photographer
Mark Brummitt
Posts: 40527
Clarkston, Michigan, US
The authorities found 54 photos in this mans home. He also picked the women up in bars.
Perhaps I need to see the 54 photos first but something tells me that any woman attempting to be a model who gets picked up in a bar by a guy who has 54 photos as his name sake as a photographer should not go out at night.
Photographer
Boho Hobo
Posts: 25351
Santa Barbara, California, US
Samcmahon wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/25/bill.bradford.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
I thought this link was a good reminder for models to be extra careful of who they work with. If it happened then, it can certainly happen now. Models should definately avoid serial killers.
Actually everyone should, even other serial killers.
The best way to avoid harm is to lock yourself in your closet and avoid all human contact. Deliveries should be made at your doorstep. Just a safety reminder!
Photographer
sdsteve
Posts: 1610
Spokane, Washington, US
Any one up for a fun shoot in the mountains? I will pay $200 an hour but you cant bring an escort. wink wink
Photographer
Philip of Dallas
Posts: 834
Dallas, Texas, US
KM von Seidl wrote:
Models should definately avoid serial killers.
Actually everyone should, even other serial killers.
The best way to avoid harm is to lock yourself in your closet and avoid all human contact. Deliveries should be made at your doorstep. Just a safety reminder! We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming about models being flakey and photographers just being pervs. Thank you.
Photographer
UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
"taking sexually explicit photos of women he met at bars and auto races, according to the site."
those damn NASCAR short shorts. I blame NASCAR and the Dukes of Hazzrad.
Fast cars and fast women !
Daisy Dukes will kill a person.
Photographer
UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
They are in the Middle East on virgin duty.
Photographer
Vatic Perceptions Media
Posts: 676
Swanton, Vermont, US
Is there a profession out there that has never produced a single person to never go on to kill another person? Im pretty sure there are even reports of preists that have killed, so people should avoid church too right?
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Samcmahon wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/25/bill.bradford.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
I thought this link was a good reminder for models to be extra careful of who they work with. If it happened then, it can certainly happen now. And the moral of this story is what? That if you meet somebody in a bar it's OK to go home with them if they are a plumber, but not a photographer? Did I get that right? What's my prize?
Photographer
Fantasy On Film
Posts: 667
Detroit, Michigan, US
A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER is NOT going to kill his/her clients.
This article makes me want to ask; "How many of his model shoots were TFP?"
Oliver
Photographer
Philip Kwok
Posts: 3
Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China
who say the photographer is always the bad guy? that's so .....hem.....90s? (well 70s will be more like the photographer is the James Bond hero (from the movie "Blow UP" & now photographers in movie are portray as......well watch "Hard Candy" and u know what i mean)
I'm more afraid that some model I met randomly will bring a whole gang (first drug me or knock me out or tie me to something) then steal all my cameras, computer lighting and run away, or worse kill me......but hey models....just don't do that, no seriously.
does any photographer ever though of that? (concept from "As good as it gets" where the painter got beat up by his model....)
Photographer
CLT
Posts: 12979
Winchester, Virginia, US
KM von Seidl wrote:
The best way to avoid harm is to lock yourself in your closet and avoid all human contact. Deliveries should be made at your doorstep. Just a safety reminder! Please! Have some common sense. A closet is not a safe place at all. It's tight, difficult to navigate, and favored by monsters as a hiding place.
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Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Michael Ray Photography wrote:
I just want to advice models to be carefull when they shoot with someone. I remember Linda Sobek being murdered by Charles Rathburn in Los Angeles and he was supposed to be shooting for an Auto mag.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9611/01/briefs.pm/model.murder/ Great. Like we don't have enough paranoia around here already.
To my knowledge there have been three cases of a real photographer murdering a model who was not his girlfriend in the last 20 years. One of those probably wasn't a murder.
Does anybody know how many thousands of photo shoots have taken place in those 20 years? How many hundreds of thousands?
Can anyone name me any form of human endeavor involving others that is so safe you can find an average of less than one death per million instances? (Yes, I know there are some. But damned few.)
Now can anyone name me forms of human endeavor where people are more likely to be killed? Hints: walking your dog. Driving to the store.
You are far, far more likely to die in your car on the way to a photo shoot than you are to be killed by the photographer once you get there. And far, far more likely to be killed by the guy you take as an "escort" - a huge percentage of murders are among "significant others".
Does that mean throw caution to the winds? No, of course not. Prudence is wise in all things. But this rampant fear-mongering about photographers puts a great pall on the industry, and makes it ever so much harder for models and photographers to have cooperative relationships.
Now, how many of you recall that one of the three "photographer-murderers" actually ran a "model safety" website, and had lots of "references"?
Yeah, keep those "you could get killed doing this" messages coming. It's all so very helpful.
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21526
Chicago, Illinois, US
Philip Kwok wrote:
who say the photographer is always the bad guy? that's so .....hem.....90s? (well 70s will be more like the photographer is the James Bond hero (from the movie "Blow UP" & now photographers in movie are portray as......well watch "Hard Candy" and u know what i mean)
I'm more afraid that some model I met randomly will bring a whole gang (first drug me or knock me out or tie me to something) then steal all my cameras, computer lighting and run away, or worse kill me......but hey models....just don't do that, no seriously.
does any photographer ever though of that? (concept from "As good as it gets" where the painter got beat up by his model....) Actually there was a model in Chicago who with her male escort robbed
several photographers. This happened right when the internet started being
so popular and everybody had AOL as a ISP. Their have also been models
who have collected payment for travel expenses but never did the shoot as
well as models who have stolen from photographers. (one stole my wife's
make-up. Which I had to replace.) There was a group of women and transgendered escorts who would drug men they would meet at night clubs
in Vegas but the ideal no doubt came from the Ladyboys of Thailand and Brazil.
Lets face it how hard would it be for a escort and friend to overpower a
photographer? Just think, many of these sites are free for models to post.
A model could set up a profile, case a photographers studio and many of you have
serious equipment and later rob them. Think it hasn't happened, I bet your
wrong. My point is this like many things comes with risks.
Photographer
Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
TXPhotog wrote:
And the moral of this story is what? That if you meet somebody in a bar it's OK to go home with them if they are a plumber, but not a photographer? Did I get that right? What's my prize? You should see all the outing threads on plumbingmayhem.com
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Brian Diaz wrote:
You should see all the outing threads on plumbingmayhem.com I can't. They deleted my profile. I didn't have enough pictures of wrenches.
Photographer
SKPhoto
Posts: 25784
Newark, California, US
You are most likely to be stolen from by a relative than a stranger.
You are most likely to be seriously hurt in your own bathroom than anywhere else.
You are most likely to have a serious accident within 1 mile of your own home.
You are most likely to be physically assaulted by a relative.
You are most likely to be raped by a relative or close friend.
You are most likely to be murdered by an immediate family member.
You are more likely to die choking on something than any of the above.
What animal caused the most deaths almost each and every year? Sharks-no, bears-no, dogs-no, snakes-no, alligators-no...Deer cause the most deaths.
People of both sexes should try applying the criteria they use for working with someone to the people they date. Good judgement? Bah...I've seen the people you pick up in bars after consuming a hellacious quantity of alcohol, while wearing sexy clothes, and then agreeing to go somewhere unknown, alone, or taking to bed. Yeah...tell me about how you have to be smart, I believe that one.
I really despise those who want other people to walk in fear. It's a horrible place to be. Walk in confidence. Be smart. But walk in confidence. Confidence those others don't want you to have and envy you for.
Walk in fear and you'll find yourself at the end of your life never having lived at all.
Photographer
alexwh
Posts: 3104
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Just to add a vaguely cultural twist to this thread I would suggest that those that can rent it, rent Michleangelo Antonioni's 1966 film Blowup. It features an alleged murder that a photographer spots in his photo. What is neat about this film is that the photographer in the film is based on the real British photographer David Bailey who photographed all those hot "birds" in 60s happening London. A lot of what people think photographers are about really came from this film and with the stories of the American photographer (also alive) Bert Stern. What people thing of models was also seen in this film were Verushka (one of the first big proto-bigtime-models) almost has an orgasm while being photographed by David Hemmings. What is also neat is that David Bailey is alive and well: http://www.davidbaileyphotography.com/ And Bert Stern: http://www.bertstern.com/
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Darrell
Posts: 716
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Cecil Sharps wrote:
And i thought this would be a thread about Bob Shell Odd as it seems 3 years later Bob Shell still hasn't gone to trial, he could well get a walk because of his Sixth Ammendment Rights. I won't comment on guilt or innocence, but Bob Shell has been under some form of arrest since June 2003.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/wb/xp-74811
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D Freeman
Posts: 490
Fresno, California, US
TXPhotog wrote:
Great. Like we don't have enough paranoia around here already.
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Yeah, keep those "you could get killed doing this" messages coming. It's all so very helpful. Thanks. Now I can just call them stupid and I don't have to explain why.
To the OP: Right back atcha. ;p
I want to warn everyone to beware of models.. lets not forget how dangerous they can be:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h … nted=print
Model
Bunnie Page
Posts: 1161
Dallas, Texas, US
KM von Seidl wrote:
Models should definately avoid serial killers.
Actually everyone should, even other serial killers. Truly great advice!
Photographer
- null -
Posts: 4576
Samcmahon wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/25/bill.bradford.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
I thought this link was a good reminder for models to be extra careful of who they work with. If it happened then, it can certainly happen now. Teen admits highway shootings, police say
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/25/highwa … index.html
I thought this link was a good reminder for models to be extra careful of driving on the highway. If it happened then, it can certainly happen now.
Severed hand found in nude dancer's home
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/25/sever … index.html
I thought this link was a good reminder for photographers to be extra careful of who they work with. If it happened then, it can certainly happen now.
Paranoid model enjoys posting threads to perpetuate fear and victimization
https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=18142
I thought this link was a good reminder for everyone to be extra careful of allowing the media to brainwash them into being agoraphobic lemmings.
Model
A BRITT PRO-AM
Posts: 7840
CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US
From the way they are accused of behaving on here and other forms ....it seems likely that models could, more than likely, DRIVE photographers to serial killing...
Photographer
UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
We would never kill paying clients; TFP models however are not safe.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Anjel Britt wrote:
From the way they are accused of behaving on here and other forms ....it seems likely that models could, more than likely, DRIVE photographers to serial killing... I'll agree with THAT
Or at least a spree-killing
Model
A BRITT PRO-AM
Posts: 7840
CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US
lmao!
but how many of THOSE are there!!
Photographer
J C ModeFotografie
Posts: 14718
Los Angeles, California, US
Demarcus Freeman wrote:
Thanks. Now I can just call them stupid and I don't have to explain why.
To the OP: Right back atcha. ;p
I want to warn everyone to beware of models.. lets not forget how dangerous they can be:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h … nted=print That's so sad, just when things were on an upward curve for Ms. Reilly! This is a classic Greek tragedy!
JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER
Model
A BRITT PRO-AM
Posts: 7840
CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US
JAY carreon wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/25/bill.bradford.ap/popup.women.ap.jpg
So who do you like the most / TFP with? 2 , 32 and 40
but they must all be older now...
Photographer
J C ModeFotografie
Posts: 14718
Los Angeles, California, US
SKPhoto wrote:
You are more likely to die choking on something than any of the above.
What animal caused the most deaths almost each and every year? Sharks-no, bears-no, dogs-no, snakes-no, alligators-no...Deer cause the most deaths. I hereby declare a Crusade against "small choke-ey objects" and deer - Deus Wult!!!
JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER
Photographer
Dave Scott
Posts: 70
Vancouver, Washington, US
DJ Larose Photography wrote:
Is there a profession out there that has never produced a single person to never go on to kill another person? Only photographers. I was watching a show on super-max prisons which house the most violent prisoners. Every one of them was a photographer.
Model
Fae D-Cay
Posts: 311
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Weird.. A few days ago on there was a story on some talk show. Two 12 year old girls were trying to be models and they went in for a shoot... The guy murders the mom and grandmother, rapes the girls, and video tapes it.
The girls weren't killed, the police caught the guy before his planned murder.
Photographer
J C ModeFotografie
Posts: 14718
Los Angeles, California, US
D-Chan wrote:
Weird.. A few days ago on there was a story on some talk show. Two 12 year old girls were trying to be models and they went in for a shoot... The guy murders the mom and grandmother, rapes the girls, and video tapes it.
The girls weren't killed, the police caught the guy before his planned murder. Evil does exist.
JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER
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