Photographer
Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Ok this a chat convo I had with a Model who was already late for the shoot and I saw online on AOL IM. Her excuse for cancelling was that she chipped a nail! Please read the BS and tell me if I was an ass or lenient! (lol) Here we go. Get some popcorn! Photog: you comming? lol The Model: i just got home from work a little bit ago, actually I need a shower and stuff so can we do this another time when I have some time to get ready ? The Model: i am not one that can get ready in a rush i want everything perfect Photog: So at 10 mins to 6PM on a Friday night you are telling me you are not coming to shoot? :-( The Model: im sweaty, and i need to do my nails and it's just kinda too short notice i want to just not tonight The Model: hay at least im not trying to bs you Photog: I wish you would have said that night or today when you called me. I could have booked someone else in the slot or made other plans Photog: :-( The Model: it was all good until i chipped my nail at work, and got off late i thought i could make it The Model: but now i have to redo them and get a shower and stuff Photog: You are cancelling because you chipped a nail? Have you heard of Photoshop? (lol) The Model: not just that i need a shower.. and i know by the time i do all that...come on Photog: do you want to do all that and then shoot lingerie and maybe the body painting in my studio? The Model: i really can't tonight. a saturday would work better or a sunday when i dont have to do anything but get my stuff together .. wow r u gonna b mad ? The Model: thats a yes ...? Photog: lol ok it's obvious you changed your mind about shooting. I thought you were serious. What else do you have to do besides your nails and a shower? (lol) You wold have to shower on a Sat or Sun no? Whatever. :-( Some advise for you.... Photographers in this area are pretty tight and we tend to talk. I am not going to mention this or black list you but most all the rest would. Don't do this to another photog or he could kill your chances of shooting for free with any of the rest The Model: u know what, it was short notice , and actually i didnt know for sure till noon today if i was going to get to shoot because the other girl didnt show or call the 3rd time you said, and i had a long day today at work and i dont really see how that is my fault. Im not into being rushed.. im sorry i try to look my best so i can have good images and thats just me The Model: be fair geez Photog: I am being fair Photog: I'm not being a dick Photog: I'm just calling a spade a spade so to speak The Model: ok well how bout just another day .. if you dont want to shoot me, thats cool just tell me . and im being honest with you . Photog: You wanted to shoot and were willing to be on call so to speak. I told you last night I was 99% positive we could shoot Photog: at 12 you were happy to take the slot Photog: now it's 6pm and you are cancelling because you need a shower? The Model: whatever u think be glad you arent a girl lol Photog: Sorry it seems like you found something better to do or you would shower and then come The Model: well like i said im not into being rushed and i got off work late , usually i only do weekends.. how am i supposed to get ready when i worked late and then the traffic to get to st pete .. im not stressing myself out to end up with pictures i look stressed in . if you dont wanna do it u dont have to reschedule up to you The Model: but thank you Photog: we can reschedule but I am not pre booking with you since I cannot count on you to show until I see different Photog: sorry :-( The Model: oh ok but you didnt say that about the 3 time no show girl .. right ? Photog: well she showed just could not shoot Photog: and is incredible! Photog: so yes Photog: I cut her some slack as I really want her in my port Photog: and she has agreed to shoot TFP and normally charges $100-$150 an hour The Model: at least i told you my situation ..thanks for understanding The Model: whatever im not arguing with you . Photog: Hey I donât agree but am willing to let it slide Photog: me either Photog: I'm just a lil ticked that it's now 6:15 on a Friday night and I could have been shooting someone else or out with friends but didnât make other plans Photog: so I am sure you can see why I am ticked off The Model: ok well i cant help my boss had us stay later , shit happens im sorry for any inconvienance and I think you are treating me like an amature.. Photog: well you are acting like an amateur Photog: no offense but I am always straight up and honest Photog: âI canât come because I chipped a nail and need a shower so the shoot is cancelledâ? (lol) Photog: I would be happy to paste it on the forums on MM and not use your name and let you hear what other Models and Photogs have to say about it in their opinion :-( Photog: just being honest The Model: guy look it wasnt until noon actually 12:30 i found out for sure the other girl wasnt coming, and you didnât call me i called you and it's not as simple as a chipped nail i need to manicure them so they arenât all jagged and nasty you are amazing The Model signed off at 6:20:20 PM. Notice how the chipped nail turned into needing a manicure because they were all jagged and nasty? How damn dumb do Models think we are? And this woman is 38 not 20 nothing! (lol) I would love to read your feedback. I will also be sure to send it to her! (lmao) Nic
Photographer
Tito Trelles-MADE IN NY
Posts: 960
Miami, Florida, US
I believe you... I had a model whose grandma died twice...same grandma. T
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DarioImpiniPhotography
Posts: 8756
Dallas, Texas, US
You shoulda asked her if the nail looked like THIS one. LOL.
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Roxann
Posts: 393
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
MichaelNicoletti wrote: And this woman is 38 not 20 nothing! (lol) Nic I don't really think it has anything to do with age. It's about commitment and the determination to get the job done. As of yet I've only had to cancel on one shoot on short notice and I felt horrible. It certainly wasn't because of my nails either!
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Amanda Padilla
Posts: 1772
New York, New York, US
I think both of you guys are immature, why even post this on a forum its ridiculous. If your going to talk why don't you post her MM link, come on!?
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Mortonovich
Posts: 6209
San Diego, California, US
Bro, she's whacked. Let this thread pile up and send her the link.
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21528
Chicago, Illinois, US
Mike, I have a better question for you. Why did you waste your time going back and forth with her? Once she started with that bull you should have said no problem. Let me know when you are ready to shoot. If she contacted you again ask her for a refundable deposit. To me it sounds like you are trying to convince her to shoot and she doesn't want to. You have talent. You seem to be a nice person and your work shows promise so why are you wasting time with flakey models. Here's the deal. If a model wants to shoot with you then she will. She'll take a shower, make sure her nails are done, hair too. She'll call you and show up. In the future once a model starts with any of that I need to shower crap. Then let me get as clean as possible just move on.
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Archived
Posts: 13509
Phoenix, Arizona, US
This "model" clearly does not think that your time is very valuable. I would personally take that as a sign of disrespect, and choose not to reschedule with that particular model. You could say that you are more than happy to reschedule, if she's willing to pay you your day rate.
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
I have had the "broke cell phone " 25 times the "stalker BF" 12 times the "I overslept " 14 times ; once 4 days in a row. never had the dead grandma.
Photographer
Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Because that would be against MM rules. If you feel that way why even respond? We Photographer have to put with a lot of BS excuses for Models we work with. I am just sharing one of my interactions so we can all get a good laugh. It's good for the soul and keeps us from going nutz! (lol) Amanda Padilla wrote: I think both of you guys are immature, why even post this on a forum its ridiculous. If your going to talk why don't you post her MM link, come on!?
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Tikal
Posts: 209
Baltimore, Maryland, US
omfg! I am a model and I know when I cancel even 2 hours before its unprofesional and I regret it. If she would have been serious she would have told her boss or something, I dont think that legally bosses can keep people past when they are scheduled(Im not positive so dont jump down my throat, Ive you people on MM do that). She could have said, it will take longer cause I have work, or when she called you she could have said "ya know I do have work today so why dont we try for 7 instead?" or whatever, that is the lamest excuse ever. Showering, drying and make up take 45 mins tops(if you know what you are doing) I can do make up while driving, there are just so many things wrong with that. Six hours notice for a shoot is good, canceling 15 after if should have started is amateur. p.s. Check out my avatar, can anyone tell I spent an hour honestly doing my nails?no. so thats just a poor excuse.
Model
Amanda Padilla
Posts: 1772
New York, New York, US
MichaelNicoletti wrote: Because that would be against MM rules. If you feel that way why even respond? We Photographer have to put with a lot of BS excuses for Models we work with. I am just sharing one of my interactions so we can all get a good laugh. It's good for the soul and keeps us from going nutz! (lol)
Um you stated "I would love to read your feedback. I will also be sure to send it to her! (lmao) " I gave you my feedback and yes we know MODELS say anything in the book to get out of a shoot, its nothing new, is it.
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Nikki Fyre
Posts: 26
Toronto, Iowa, US
i agree that you're both being immature about it.. from her side, it's understandable... if you're about to be modeling in a shoot, you want to look your best. you don't want to look all sweaty, with screwed up nails... and from your side, it's not fair of her to just cancel with such short notice.. but, every story has three sides. your side. her side. and the actual story. it sucks that it didn't fall through, but you also shouldn't be generalizing about "amature models", and saying "how damn dumb to models think we are?" that's kind of ignorant in itself... and if this model wasn't so special, because you used her age as a put-down for her, than why would you be so eager to shoot with her--and so dissappointed that she cancelled? think of it as a good thing for yourself if she's not that great or anything... you're not being a prick, you're just ticked off. and if she wants to be a "model", she should learn some respect for the photographer, because you're right, they network. so she could just be screwing herself over *lol*
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Angelus
Posts: 3642
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Amanda Padilla wrote: I think both of you guys are immature, why even post this on a forum its ridiculous. If your going to talk why don't you post her MM link, come on!? It's against the rules to name poeple on MM. Also, he posted this to see iwho if anyone would agree with him or the model. It's not immature on his part.
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DarioImpiniPhotography
Posts: 8756
Dallas, Texas, US
Tony Lawrence wrote: Mike, I have a better question for you. Why did you waste your time going back and forth with her? Once she started with that bull you should have said no problem. Let me know when you are ready to shoot. If she contacted you again ask her for a refundable deposit. To me it sounds like you are trying to convince her to shoot and she doesn't want to. You have talent. You seem to be a nice person and your work shows promise so why are you wasting time with flakey models. Here's the deal. If a model wants to shoot with you then she will. She'll take a shower, make sure her nails are done, hair too. She'll call you and show up. In the future once a model starts with any of that I need to shower crap. Then let me get as clean as possible just move on. I agree. You pretty much sunk to her level. #1 -- going back and forth with someone being unprofessional is pointless and makes you unprofessional as well. It confirms her errant assumption that your time has no value. #2 -- why would you want to convince her to shoot with you when she doesnt want to? What do you think the results of the shoot would be? How uncomfortable would it be to try and get good shots with someone you've just had a hard time dealing with? In the future when you get that, make a note for yourself and if they pursue you later on, tell them you've instited a non-refundable session fee policy to reserve the time slot exclusively for them. The fee must be paid in advance to book the time slot. Professional studios do this, you should too.
Photographer
Luther
Posts: 233
Arlington, Virginia, US
38 year old? Friday night at 6?
Photographer
Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Tony Lawrence wrote: Mike, I have a better question for you. Why did you waste your time going back and forth with her? Once she started with that bull you should have said no problem. Let me know when you are ready to shoot. If she contacted you again ask her for a refundable deposit. To me it sounds like you are trying to convince her to shoot and she doesn't want to. You have talent. You seem to be a nice person and your work shows promise so why are you wasting time with flakey models. Here's the deal. If a model wants to shoot with you then she will. She'll take a shower, make sure her nails are done, hair too. She'll call you and show up. In the future once a model starts with any of that I need to shower crap. Then let me get as clean as possible just move on. Thanks for the kind words Tony. You are right but I guess what I do for my day job took over. (lol) I am a closer in sales and my job is to weed out someones BS and get to the real challenge. To put my finger in their chest and back them into a corner until they give up the real deal. I just hate it when someone tries BSing me. I have heard it all before and don't buy a word of it! (lol) I was not going to shoot with her is she agreed to come anyways. I just wanted to win I guess. (lol) Immature maybe. I think it's more just trying to prove a point. The point was she was full of $hit! (ok mhanna go ahead and spank me! lmao!) Besides,,,, thanks to her I had nothing better to do besides laundry! (lol) I could have went and met Bill on Reddington Beach for his shoot. Nic
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空
Posts: 5265
New York, New York, US
Immature is to ask someone to name names when they have intelligence not to do so.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Yeah you wasted your time going back and forth with her.She gave you a bullshit reason, I would have cut off conversation right there. I had a model flake on me about a month ago. I called twice and left two model mayhem messages that I KNOW she read. Funny thing is, when it was clear she wasn't coming I left my standard message that I do for flakes "It's apparant that you aren't taking this TFP arrangement serious, as you have not called, or shown up for the shoot. In such instances I rescend all TFP offers. If you'd like to work together in the future my rates are reasonable. I wish you luck in all your future endeavors." THEN she hit me back and told me that she was waiting on ME to call, then it was that she called but my phone was off (hasn't been in over 2 years plus I called her the same day) Then it was 4 different messages begging me to give her another chance. All of which have been deleted without response.
Model
Nikki Fyre
Posts: 26
Toronto, Iowa, US
Crazy-Evil Angelus wrote:
It's against the rules to name poeple on MM. Also, he posted this to see iwho if anyone would agree with him or the model. It's not immature on his part. i don't think she's saying that he's immature for posting this. she's probably saying it about the situation? at least that's what i thought...
Model
Amanda Padilla
Posts: 1772
New York, New York, US
HAHA y'all dont gotta flip out! ayways im out have fun chatting...
Model
Angelus
Posts: 3642
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Nikki Henderson wrote: i don't think she's saying that he's immature for posting this. she's probably saying it about the situation? at least that's what i thought... Well, she called him rediculous for posting it. Which was in the same train of thought as her opinion of both of them. As far as the exchange in the conversation, I have no opinion about. Personally, I wouldn't waste the time to get an answer from the model. (Or photographer. )
Photographer
Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Nikki Henderson wrote: i agree that you're both being immature about it.. from her side, it's understandable... if you're about to be modeling in a shoot, you want to look your best. you don't want to look all sweaty, with screwed up nails... and from your side, it's not fair of her to just cancel with such short notice.. but, every story has three sides. your side. her side. and the actual story. it sucks that it didn't fall through, but you also shouldn't be generalizing about "amature models", and saying "how damn dumb to models think we are?" that's kind of ignorant in itself... and if this model wasn't so special, because you used her age as a put-down for her, than why would you be so eager to shoot with her--and so dissappointed that she cancelled? think of it as a good thing for yourself if she's not that great or anything... you're not being a prick, you're just ticked off. and if she wants to be a "model", she should learn some respect for the photographer, because you're right, they network. so she could just be screwing herself over *lol* No I was not knocking her for being 38 at all! I meant she was not a 20 nothing immature young girl but an adult woman. As a mature adult i would expect more from than a 20 year old girl who was not as in tune as to whats right and wrong etc. (Not that all 20 YO woman are not mature) She is an adult at 38 and I think the way she acted did not reflect an adults sense for esponsibility. Thats all I meant by that. And how long does it take to shower and do your makeup so you do not blow off a Photog who is willing to wait for you? (lol) Come on! She had better things to do and did not want to come. Plain and simple! At least thats how I see it. Nic : )
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ChrisCorbettPhotography
Posts: 252
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US
When a model bails on me at the last minute, it's end of conversation. Then, it's up to her to convince me why I should reschedule. No sense wasting any more of my energy.
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Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Nikki Henderson wrote: i agree that you're both being immature about it.. from her side, it's understandable... if you're about to be modeling in a shoot, you want to look your best. you don't want to look all sweaty, with screwed up nails... and from your side, it's not fair of her to just cancel with such short notice.. but, every story has three sides. your side. her side. and the actual story. it sucks that it didn't fall through, but you also shouldn't be generalizing about "amature models", and saying "how damn dumb to models think we are?" that's kind of ignorant in itself... and if this model wasn't so special, because you used her age as a put-down for her, than why would you be so eager to shoot with her--and so dissappointed that she cancelled? think of it as a good thing for yourself if she's not that great or anything... you're not being a prick, you're just ticked off. and if she wants to be a "model", she should learn some respect for the photographer, because you're right, they network. so she could just be screwing herself over *lol* BTW.... Very nice port! Are you open to body painting? (lol) Come to FL and let's shoot?
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j-shooter
Posts: 1912
San Francisco, California, US
Photog: you comming? lol The Model: i just got home from work a little bit ago, actually I need a shower and stuff so can we do this another time when I have some time to get ready ? I would have just said, no we can't and politely ended the call.
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Tzalam
Posts: 548
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I am not gonna post any of my cancellation chats. They are just as stupid and annoying as that one and I give models more then one chance. Well only if i think she's worth it. But it's come the point that in the last few years I don't move a single item or light in my studio until the model actually shows up. I can get it all setup while she does her make up. But unfortunately I have used to this and try to have some alternative plans just in case, especially on TFP shoots. I just had a model cancel tomorrow because her chaperone's car is in the shop and she has an hour drive. At least I got a days notice. We'll see if she show when we reschedule. I guess until they run after us photographers we'll just have to take it and move on. The models we shoot are usually young and somewhat flighty sometimes, but at 38 if you haven't learned some responsibility - bye bye!
Model
Jennicide
Posts: 172
San Francisco, California, US
Hilarious. Yeah...hmmm I like that Model didn't call Photographer to let him know she couldn't make it this when it happened. Got caught on AIM....thats too funny.
Photographer
Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
DarioImpiniPhotography wrote:
I agree. You pretty much sunk to her level. #1 -- going back and forth with someone being unprofessional is pointless and makes you unprofessional as well. It confirms her errant assumption that your time has no value. #2 -- why would you want to convince her to shoot with you when she doesnt want to? What do you think the results of the shoot would be? How uncomfortable would it be to try and get good shots with someone you've just had a hard time dealing with? In the future when you get that, make a note for yourself and if they pursue you later on, tell them you've instited a non-refundable session fee policy to reserve the time slot exclusively for them. The fee must be paid in advance to book the time slot. Professional studios do this, you should too. I just wanted to get her to admit she was full of shit. I was not planning on shooting.
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f4 Photo
Posts: 96
Morristown, New Jersey, US
I'm not in the least surprised. The only thing that surprises me these days is if a model shows up at all, and if one ever shows up on time (God forbid 5 minutes early), I suspect I may collapse with shock.
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
MichaelNicoletti wrote: Ok this a chat convo I had with a Model who was already late for the shoot and I saw online on AOL IM. Her excuse for cancelling was that she chipped a nail! Please read the BS and tell me if I was an ass or lenient! (lol) Here we go. Get some popcorn! Photog: you comming? lol The Model: i just got home from work a little bit ago, actually I need a shower and stuff so can we do this another time when I have some time to get ready ? The Model: i am not one that can get ready in a rush i want everything perfect Photog: So at 10 mins to 6PM on a Friday night you are telling me you are not coming to shoot? :-( The Model: im sweaty, and i need to do my nails and it's just kinda too short notice i want to just not tonight The Model: hay at least im not trying to bs you Photog: I wish you would have said that night or today when you called me. I could have booked someone else in the slot or made other plans Photog: :-( The Model: it was all good until i chipped my nail at work, and got off late i thought i could make it The Model: but now i have to redo them and get a shower and stuff Photog: You are cancelling because you chipped a nail? Have you heard of Photoshop? (lol) The Model: not just that i need a shower.. and i know by the time i do all that...come on Photog: do you want to do all that and then shoot lingerie and maybe the body painting in my studio? The Model: i really can't tonight. a saturday would work better or a sunday when i dont have to do anything but get my stuff together .. wow r u gonna b mad ? The Model: thats a yes ...? Photog: lol ok it's obvious you changed your mind about shooting. I thought you were serious. What else do you have to do besides your nails and a shower? (lol) You wold have to shower on a Sat or Sun no? Whatever. :-( Some advise for you.... Photographers in this area are pretty tight and we tend to talk. I am not going to mention this or black list you but most all the rest would. Don't do this to another photog or he could kill your chances of shooting for free with any of the rest The Model: u know what, it was short notice , and actually i didnt know for sure till noon today if i was going to get to shoot because the other girl didnt show or call the 3rd time you said, and i had a long day today at work and i dont really see how that is my fault. Im not into being rushed.. im sorry i try to look my best so i can have good images and thats just me The Model: be fair geez Photog: I am being fair Photog: I'm not being a dick Photog: I'm just calling a spade a spade so to speak The Model: ok well how bout just another day .. if you dont want to shoot me, thats cool just tell me . and im being honest with you . Photog: You wanted to shoot and were willing to be on call so to speak. I told you last night I was 99% positive we could shoot Photog: at 12 you were happy to take the slot Photog: now it's 6pm and you are cancelling because you need a shower? The Model: whatever u think be glad you arent a girl lol Photog: Sorry it seems like you found something better to do or you would shower and then come The Model: well like i said im not into being rushed and i got off work late , usually i only do weekends.. how am i supposed to get ready when i worked late and then the traffic to get to st pete .. im not stressing myself out to end up with pictures i look stressed in . if you dont wanna do it u dont have to reschedule up to you The Model: but thank you Photog: we can reschedule but I am not pre booking with you since I cannot count on you to show until I see different Photog: sorry :-( The Model: oh ok but you didnt say that about the 3 time no show girl .. right ? Photog: well she showed just could not shoot Photog: and is incredible! Photog: so yes Photog: I cut her some slack as I really want her in my port Photog: and she has agreed to shoot TFP and normally charges $100-$150 an hour The Model: at least i told you my situation ..thanks for understanding The Model: whatever im not arguing with you . Photog: Hey I donât agree but am willing to let it slide Photog: me either Photog: I'm just a lil ticked that it's now 6:15 on a Friday night and I could have been shooting someone else or out with friends but didnât make other plans Photog: so I am sure you can see why I am ticked off The Model: ok well i cant help my boss had us stay later , shit happens im sorry for any inconvienance and I think you are treating me like an amature.. Photog: well you are acting like an amateur Photog: no offense but I am always straight up and honest Photog: âI canât come because I chipped a nail and need a shower so the shoot is cancelledâ? (lol) Photog: I would be happy to paste it on the forums on MM and not use your name and let you hear what other Models and Photogs have to say about it in their opinion :-( Photog: just being honest The Model: guy look it wasnt until noon actually 12:30 i found out for sure the other girl wasnt coming, and you didnât call me i called you and it's not as simple as a chipped nail i need to manicure them so they arenât all jagged and nasty you are amazing The Model signed off at 6:20:20 PM. Notice how the chipped nail turned into needing a manicure because they were all jagged and nasty? How damn dumb do Models think we are? And this woman is 38 not 20 nothing! (lol) I would love to read your feedback. I will also be sure to send it to her! (lmao) Nic I don't mean to be too negative but the whole conversation sounds a bit unprofessional to me. IM'ing is great if your friends but not exactly the mecca of professionalism, nor a method of contact that conveys a seriouls model/photographer relationship. I don't know if that's how you've talked to the model in the past but the conversation sounds more like a gf/bf dispute, arguing back and forth, than a model no-show for a shoot. If the preparations and confirmation of the shoot were professional prior to the shoot, the model may have been less likely to treat it in such a casual manner. However lol...with that said, we've all had no-shows and last-minute cancellations for the most absurd reasons. Mine? I was visiting my b/f in prison and I couldn't get through the admission line in time to make it. I don't do many TFP's and require a small deposit for paid shoots...which amazingly eliminates this dilemma completely. But when doing TFP's and a model no-shows, there is NO further contact. Your time is too precious to be spent chasing down someone that doesn't take it seriously enough to attend. This sounds like the typical wannabe that "thinks it sounds like fun" but when the time comes to deliver and the reality of doing a real shoot is upon her...either consciously or subconscioucly sabotages it...along with your plans. My advice would be...once you found out she couldn't make it, regardless of the reason, move on to a real model. Am I right that this was a model with little to no professional shoots? And never get into a swearing match...just unprofessional all around.
Model
Nikki Fyre
Posts: 26
Toronto, Iowa, US
MichaelNicoletti wrote:
No I was not knocking her for being 38 at all! I meant she was not a 20 nothing immature young girl but an adult woman. As a mature adult i would expect more from than a 20 year old girl who was not as in tune as to whats right and wrong etc. (Not that all 20 YO woman are not mature) She is an adult at 38 and I think the way she acted did not reflect an adults sense for esponsibility. Thats all I meant by that. And how long does it take to shower and do your makeup so you do not blow off a Photog who is willing to wait for you? (lol) Come on! She had better things to do and did not want to come. Plain and simple! At least thats how I see it. Nic : ) good save on the not all 20 YO are not mature.. cuz i was gonna say, lol.. at 18, i was more mature than most 40 yr olds sadly enough but yeah, it shoudln't have taken all that long to get ready, and she coulda been more honest with you if she had something else to do.. it's kinda a silly situation all around. see, at my work, there's a 38-42 year old (duno her age) who acts like she's a stupid ditzy 20 year old.. so i see what you're saying..
Photographer
Nic
Posts: 627
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Jennicide wrote: Hilarious. Yeah...hmmm I like that Model didn't call Photographer to let him know she couldn't make it this when it happened. Got caught on AIM....thats too funny. Yeah no kidding! Not even a call to let me know.
Model
Nikki Fyre
Posts: 26
Toronto, Iowa, US
MichaelNicoletti wrote:
BTW.... Very nice port! Are you open to body painting? (lol) Come to FL and let's shoot? *LOL* thank u, if i was in ur area, i'd totally be up for it! alas, i am in smelly ol' toronto, canada, eh?
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21528
Chicago, Illinois, US
Ransom J wrote: Yeah you wasted your time going back and forth with her.She gave you a bullshit reason, I would have cut off conversation right there. I had a model flake on me about a month ago. I called twice and left two model mayhem messages that I KNOW she read. Funny thing is, when it was clear she wasn't coming I left my standard message that I do for flakes "It's apparant that you aren't taking this TFP arrangement serious, as you have not called, or shown up for the shoot. In such instances I rescend all TFP offers. If you'd like to work together in the future my rates are reasonable. I wish you luck in all your future endeavors." THEN she hit me back and told me that she was waiting on ME to call, then it was that she called but my phone was off (hasn't been in over 2 years plus I called her the same day) Then it was 4 different messages begging me to give her another chance. All of which have been deleted without response. Kudos for you! More photographers need to stand up for themselves and their art. Have some damm standards. Model blows off a TFP shoot. No shoots unless she pays or provides a deposit. Model starts with some crappy excuse hang up the phone, delete the e-mails or stop the IM. Most of you have talent. Most of you are nice people and most of you are wimps. You allow a pretty or handsome face to disrespect you. Some pretty girl is willing to show some skin and you allow her to do as she pleases. I'm not saying to be mean or rigid in dealing with models but enforce some basic rules for yourself. Make sure that they call YOU to confirm shoots. Make sure they call before they leave to shoot with you. If you are meeting them make sure you get that call before you leave. If you are using a paid MUA get some sort of deposit from the model. Look remember this, your time is as valuable as a models. You are providing a free service. However this free service has a real money value. In fact every shoot you do means time before the shoot and after to produce the cd or images you give the model. The very least a model can do is call to confirm or to cancel. If she/he comes to arrive on time ready to shoot. Stand up for yourselves.
Photographer
David Scott
Posts: 5617
Marion, Iowa, US
Ransom J wrote: .... "It's apparant that you aren't taking this TFP arrangement serious, as you have not called, or shown up for the shoot. In such instances I rescend all TFP offers. If you'd like to work together in the future my rates are reasonable. I wish you luck in all your future endeavors." Thats good stuff. Mind if I steal that from ya?
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Nikki Henderson wrote:
*LOL* thank u, if i was in ur area, i'd totally be up for it! alas, i am in smelly ol' toronto, canada, eh?
Hey, Toronto is way coooooool!
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MaxwellIII
Posts: 131
Chicago, Illinois, US
MichaelNicoletti wrote: Ok this a chat convo I had with a Model who was already late for the shoot and I saw online on AOL IM. Her excuse for cancelling was that she chipped a nail! Please read the BS and tell me if I was an ass or lenient! (lol) Here we go. Get some popcorn! Photog: you comming? lol The Model: i just got home from work a little bit ago, actually I need a shower and stuff so can we do this another time when I have some time to get ready ? The Model: i am not one that can get ready in a rush i want everything perfect Photog: So at 10 mins to 6PM on a Friday night you are telling me you are not coming to shoot? :-( The Model: im sweaty, and i need to do my nails and it's just kinda too short notice i want to just not tonight The Model: hay at least im not trying to bs you Photog: I wish you would have said that night or today when you called me. I could have booked someone else in the slot or made other plans Photog: :-( The Model: it was all good until i chipped my nail at work, and got off late i thought i could make it The Model: but now i have to redo them and get a shower and stuff Photog: You are cancelling because you chipped a nail? Have you heard of Photoshop? (lol) The Model: not just that i need a shower.. and i know by the time i do all that...come on Photog: do you want to do all that and then shoot lingerie and maybe the body painting in my studio? The Model: i really can't tonight. a saturday would work better or a sunday when i dont have to do anything but get my stuff together .. wow r u gonna b mad ? The Model: thats a yes ...? Photog: lol ok it's obvious you changed your mind about shooting. I thought you were serious. What else do you have to do besides your nails and a shower? (lol) You wold have to shower on a Sat or Sun no? Whatever. :-( Some advise for you.... Photographers in this area are pretty tight and we tend to talk. I am not going to mention this or black list you but most all the rest would. Don't do this to another photog or he could kill your chances of shooting for free with any of the rest The Model: u know what, it was short notice , and actually i didnt know for sure till noon today if i was going to get to shoot because the other girl didnt show or call the 3rd time you said, and i had a long day today at work and i dont really see how that is my fault. Im not into being rushed.. im sorry i try to look my best so i can have good images and thats just me The Model: be fair geez Photog: I am being fair Photog: I'm not being a dick Photog: I'm just calling a spade a spade so to speak The Model: ok well how bout just another day .. if you dont want to shoot me, thats cool just tell me . and im being honest with you . Photog: You wanted to shoot and were willing to be on call so to speak. I told you last night I was 99% positive we could shoot Photog: at 12 you were happy to take the slot Photog: now it's 6pm and you are cancelling because you need a shower? The Model: whatever u think be glad you arent a girl lol Photog: Sorry it seems like you found something better to do or you would shower and then come The Model: well like i said im not into being rushed and i got off work late , usually i only do weekends.. how am i supposed to get ready when i worked late and then the traffic to get to st pete .. im not stressing myself out to end up with pictures i look stressed in . if you dont wanna do it u dont have to reschedule up to you The Model: but thank you Photog: we can reschedule but I am not pre booking with you since I cannot count on you to show until I see different Photog: sorry :-( The Model: oh ok but you didnt say that about the 3 time no show girl .. right ? Photog: well she showed just could not shoot Photog: and is incredible! Photog: so yes Photog: I cut her some slack as I really want her in my port Photog: and she has agreed to shoot TFP and normally charges $100-$150 an hour The Model: at least i told you my situation ..thanks for understanding The Model: whatever im not arguing with you . Photog: Hey I donât agree but am willing to let it slide Photog: me either Photog: I'm just a lil ticked that it's now 6:15 on a Friday night and I could have been shooting someone else or out with friends but didnât make other plans Photog: so I am sure you can see why I am ticked off The Model: ok well i cant help my boss had us stay later , shit happens im sorry for any inconvienance and I think you are treating me like an amature.. Photog: well you are acting like an amateur Photog: no offense but I am always straight up and honest Photog: âI canât come because I chipped a nail and need a shower so the shoot is cancelledâ? (lol) Photog: I would be happy to paste it on the forums on MM and not use your name and let you hear what other Models and Photogs have to say about it in their opinion :-( Photog: just being honest The Model: guy look it wasnt until noon actually 12:30 i found out for sure the other girl wasnt coming, and you didnât call me i called you and it's not as simple as a chipped nail i need to manicure them so they arenât all jagged and nasty you are amazing The Model signed off at 6:20:20 PM. Notice how the chipped nail turned into needing a manicure because they were all jagged and nasty? How damn dumb do Models think we are? And this woman is 38 not 20 nothing! (lol) I would love to read your feedback. I will also be sure to send it to her! (lmao) Nic You seem to desparate. Models fail because they are not self driven, responsible and don't know the right direction. What chances does a short model really have in the world of modeling? Website models like to dream, and photographers like to do nude shots. Best advice is to over book so maybe one may show. Also, don't go back and forth with website models. If a websit models starts to make an excuse, the best reply is no reply. I have had it happen to me many times, and I don't let myself get upset about it. So what, the person disappointed you. Call up a friend and go out, and the next time, just over book so maybe you have 3 models that show up and are willing to do a group shot. The website model owes nothing to the photographer, and the photographer owes nothing to the website model. This is all free and how does it really advance the photographers or models career. Simple it doesn't. Now offer to pay, and you will have several website models jumping at the money. That is what 99 percent of all of the website models want anyway, just like 99 percent of the photographers just want to shoot nudes.
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