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My first flake....
Uhg, and I booked and paid for a location for tomorrow and I find out at 1:30 in the morning via email.... What the fuck is wrong with people.... Jul 07 06 01:34 am Link Paramour Productions wrote: WOW...you got notice BEFORE the shoot was supposed to start? Jul 07 06 01:37 am Link Name and shame..... Jul 07 06 01:41 am Link In your profile you wrote: âI'm a Director of Photography for mostly commercial products and independent films, however I recently have returned my attention to still photographyâ¦â Youâve been spoiled by all those agency girls. Welcome to the real world of art photography. Jul 07 06 01:51 am Link Hate to say it, but get used to it! Jul 07 06 02:09 am Link This wasn't art - it was a paid (well paid) shoot! Jul 07 06 02:18 am Link I mostly shoot in-town TFCD at outdoor locations without MUA's, so no one's out any money because of a flake or no-show. As such, I can "suck it up" and move on to the next. I would be very nervous if I had to pay for anything in advance like a studio, MUA, or airfare, especially if it was a model I had not worked with before. How do others manage this risk, mentally and financially? Is redundancy/overbooking the answer? Jul 07 06 10:57 am Link Paramour Productions wrote: Welcome to the real world ... bet you'd never worked with the person before. Jul 07 06 11:14 am Link rp_photo wrote: Not sure what the answer is, but I've been very lucky so far. I tend towards TF that won't cost money because of that as well. I'm planning on doing a studio rental with MUA etc. So for that I'll probably book a couple of models and hope whoever the MUA is doesn't flake. Ideally you would want to get people you've previously worked with in order to know their level of professionalism. Jul 07 06 11:23 am Link is there no possibility of replacing her? if it is a paid shoot, it shouldn't be too hard. Jul 07 06 11:29 am Link Paramour Productions wrote: ...and I'll bet it was with an Internet 'model'... Jul 07 06 11:34 am Link Isn't paying money out up front based on a model's word that they will show up similar to extending credit? A photographer has to decide if a model is worth the risk. The same would be true for a model that is "banking" on a photographer showing up. What if there were a voluntary certification program that anyone in the industry could join, under the agreement that their performance be reported by and available to other members, sort of like a credit report or BBB rating? Photograhers that are concerned about flake losses could insist on certified models and check their "score" ahead of time. Jul 07 06 11:37 am Link That's a shame. It makes it harder for models that are looking for paid work and would actually show up. Jul 07 06 11:41 am Link Paramour Productions wrote: List her ass on www.theibl.com then move on Jul 07 06 11:51 am Link rp_photo wrote: I'm no expert (in anything, just ask my dad...), but that actually sounds like a great idea. It could wrk both ways (models and photographers) It would probably take a while for such a system to gain recognition and 'street cred' though. Also, it could fall victim to childish 'flaming' over small personal biases that could hurt reputations unjustly... Jul 07 06 11:51 am Link Yes to all of the above. I'm trying to replace her but all of the models I've worked with are booked or busy. She cancelled via email at 1:30 in the morning for a shoot that was supposed to start two hours from now.... Jul 07 06 11:53 am Link "Ahh! You broke your cherry!" (Pauly, Goodfellas) Jul 07 06 11:56 am Link rp_photo wrote: Makes sense to me. Putting money on unproven talent is a gamble. Win some, lose some. Jul 07 06 12:00 pm Link as johnny taylor used to say "a man needs a pair & a spare" so always book backup, cause net models will flake on ya. you're fortunate you got an email @130am. most of em don't even bother to do that. next time, book thru the agency, and save yourself some potential grief. cause this will happen again, but not if you overbook or have 2-3 models on standby. Strat Jul 07 06 12:01 pm Link I had my first flake for a shoot yesterday too! but no one called me, i just got a message last night Long after. and it was a paid shoot too  so photographers are not the only ones who get ditched without noticeJul 07 06 12:05 pm Link Hey Strat... I have always wondered about this. How do you go about logistically dealing with/setting up having models on standby? If you have a 2pm shoot and the model doesn't show by 2:30, do you place a call to your standby model asking them to come in? Do you let them know in advance that they are only pinch hitting and might get a call? Do you get them to also show up to the shoot just in case they might get shot? Finally - how would it make a model feel to know they are only the 'backup talent'? I am genuinely curious because I have never attempted it before. Flaked only once in a big way so wasn't burned a lot. But I am curious how you go about setting this sort of thing up. Jul 07 06 12:05 pm Link Avicdar wrote: I hate that expression.... Jul 07 06 12:12 pm Link This is why I overbook models for EVERY shoot... and I've NEVER had too many show up that I couldn't pay them all. When you not only have one, but SEVERAL photographers depending upon you... a few no-shows on a relatively small shoot can put some SERIOUS egg on your face. Learned that lesson well over 10 years ago. I've overbooked this Sunday's shoot by 2 models... we'll see who flakes...  Jul 07 06 12:20 pm Link just hit the agencies. i wouldn't screw around with internet models, especially if i had to pay for location. Jul 07 06 12:22 pm Link Paramour Productions wrote: I feel your pain. Jul 07 06 12:24 pm Link LMAO!!! Thanks, I needed a laugh! Jul 07 06 12:43 pm Link Mike Cummings wrote: I knew a kid in high school named Grant Seamen. True story. Jul 07 06 12:59 pm Link a flake is a no call, no show... you were cancelled on...it happens.. at least you weren't sitting there waiting... Jul 07 06 01:04 pm Link Thanks for the clarification. Jul 07 06 01:21 pm Link Well I think I dodged a bullet. After weeks of advertising for New York models for a location shoot. I gave all those I planned to pay and a few TFP models a deadline to contact me again to reconfirm. I'm in Texas and its a long flight. Only a total of five wrote back. To make it work I felt I needed at least nine. Thinking that at least three of those would flake. I was paying. Not a lot but even when the models contacted me about shooting they wouldn't return calls or e-mails. I'd be pissed to make the trip for that kind of bull. I can't totally blame the models this site has had a few tech issues but everyone had my phone number and my hotmail address. This on-line model recruitment is hard work. A model wrote and asked me why I needed at least nine models. Well after three to four of those models either don't show, or call. I'd be lucky to get five models. Jul 07 06 01:54 pm Link That cherry exchange was frigin funny! Jul 07 06 02:02 pm Link Big bowl, drop all the flakes in it , add milk ! Breakfast ....... after some time your ability to sniff out flakes gets very good. My tips .... First e-mail invite to contact off MM, no contact for 2 days from the point I send e-mail from my non MM address - 80 % flake factor, not serious about modeling. FA Jul 07 06 02:06 pm Link so what happens if that model's mother had just died and she had to cancel that late. does that make her a flake? does that mean she's unprofessional? just wondering. i obviously don;t know the details, just as no one else knows the details, so how is it that people throw that term around so quickly? Jul 07 06 02:11 pm Link Since it was a paid shoot sounds more like nerves or something seriously came up. Jul 07 06 02:13 pm Link She did say that she had a personal problem and had to go out of town, so we'll see what happens. I had plenty of contact with her, we collaborated on the idea, the location we wrote, we spoke on the phone.... Perhaps this is just my frustration. I've found another model so I dodged that bullet. I'll give this other one another chance maybe... Jul 07 06 02:20 pm Link I've had a few models not show................but very few Think its best to over book if you can Jul 07 06 02:28 pm Link You should give midwest models a try Jul 07 06 03:36 pm Link dissolvegirl wrote: Went to school with a Carl Wunderlich..pronounced wonderlick Jul 07 06 10:30 pm Link Sinsazia wrote: No kidding?... there was a kid in my freshman History class named Semore Butts... Jul 07 06 10:44 pm Link Select Models wrote: Also went to school with Anita Mann. She looked like one too. Nice girl though. Jul 08 06 08:19 am Link |
