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Racism..Does it exist on MM?
Do you think more white models get shoots or jobs opposed to black models. If so why? How can we change this view..if it exist. Just wondering. Jul 01 06 02:02 pm Link Tilden wrote: 1. Nobody has any actual knowledge of how many shoots models get by class or race on MM. Any statements about it reflect the bias of the person guessing, and little else. Jul 01 06 02:05 pm Link The demand for models is based on the number of consumers of the product. The more of a certain race or look in a market the more the supplier will cater to that group. I don't think it is about race as much as it is about money. Jul 01 06 02:06 pm Link It exists everywhere but always in the minds of non-tolerant, prejudiced people. Jul 01 06 02:08 pm Link Thanks guys. Its amazing the different outlooks each individual has. Jul 01 06 02:12 pm Link not sure if my experience is representitive.. but in the past two years i have invited to my studio for no-fee shoots. 15 white models, 12 shot with me 12 black models, 2 shot with me and one of these is the only model to flake on me..and she flaked twice.. so maybe they aren't taking the offers they are getting... Jul 01 06 02:15 pm Link Hey. A lot of people will probalby tell you that this has been discussed and you should just read the old threads, but I think racism is always worth discussing. It is my opinion that racism exists in society and therefore it will exist here, too. For me, the problem is figuring out why. I think the biggest problem is the media because it doesn't portray Black people as being as attractive as white. There are exceptions, but I think if we are honest there is a heavy beauty-bias towards white people. I'm sure there are other complex reasons, I'm just not sure I understand them just yet. What is your opinion? You must have one or you wouldn't have started this thread ;-) Sharon Jul 01 06 02:16 pm Link Tilden wrote: Tilden, Jul 01 06 02:25 pm Link I think there are more white models than black models due in part to the fact there are more white people in general in this country (USA). This doesn't mean that there isn't discrimination in modeling. I for one love working with a variety of models and some of my favorite shoots have been with black models because they bring a fresh look and style to the shoot. I have met one photographer who said he doesn't shoot black models because he's inexperienced in lighting their skin tones. Maybe there is some fear? I was in fact complaining lately to a model and friend (Ali), that I'm having trouble finding black models lately. Any models here that are near Wichita are welcome to contact me. I would love to work with you! Jul 01 06 02:31 pm Link I think some people have a perception that some Black models have a poor attitude and are difficult. I'm not saying that its a correct view or one held by most people but even when you watch many T.V. shows, when there is a Black women many times she's sassy. This was more evident in older programs and not as common in newer shows. We've also seen several threads here on how to light dark skinned Black women. I will give you some food for thought. I am Black and I have a casting call for New York models. I call everyone I want to shoot and in several cases I've had some real attitude from Black women. I've had none of that from White or the two Asian models I spoke with. This is just a general statement and doesn't apply to all Black models at any level but I did find it intresting and kinda sad. In general my conversations with White models have been easy going and flowed well but sisters.... Before I give anyone a negative impression I have also spoken to some very sweet and kind Black models. As in many things, our expirences color our perceptions. Jul 01 06 02:31 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: What do you mean by attitude? Just curious Jul 01 06 02:35 pm Link Katisha H wrote: When I call someone for example. I say who I am and what I am calling for and from Jul 01 06 02:56 pm Link Well at any rate I think we can all agree that the modeling industry is not an "equal opportunity employer". It discriminates against race, sex, height, and weight. In a business built on appearances It is always going to be there. Jul 01 06 02:58 pm Link Katisha H wrote: This is true. Colour, Height or sex has nothing to do with your ability to work. Jul 01 06 03:05 pm Link Katisha H wrote: Discriminates, yes. Discrimination is not bad per se. "Discriminates against" is a little more problematic, but any time discrimination operates in favor of someone, it operates against someone else, so "discriminates against" isn't necessarily bad either. Jul 01 06 04:45 pm Link 100% of shoots I participate in involve a model of hispanic decent.  Jul 01 06 04:48 pm Link Katisha H wrote: Interesting point. Jul 01 06 04:50 pm Link Katisha H wrote: ditto... Jul 01 06 04:50 pm Link I think that a photographer will shoot whoever they want if they think they have the talent, no matter the color. I have shoot with 5 people from this site and they were white photographers. Some whites may only want to shoot whites and some black photographers may only shoot black models...........they just go for what they like! Not saying they don't like the other race. A*G* Jul 01 06 04:51 pm Link Tony Lawrence wrote: and you know why the media places 'sassy' sistahs, to show the NEGATIVE image of the African Diaspora, that's why, it's not a secret that there has only been ONE Cosby show and Different World show whereas all the other AA shows geered to represent the dispiction of African-Americans has been STEROTYPICAL !!!!!! Jul 01 06 05:38 pm Link Hair by Nedjetti wrote: Ah, I just love a good conspiracy theory. Jul 01 06 05:45 pm Link Tilden wrote: In the US and Europe, of course they do...by virtue of the sheer numbers: there are more of them (white models), more customers for their images, and the rest easily follows. Jul 01 06 05:54 pm Link Every time I approach a black model about shooting fetish, she feaks out, simple as that. I have a long list of white models looking forward to working with me, so I don't think race is the issue so much as attitude. Jul 01 06 06:09 pm Link black female models dig me...cuz i keep it real...*no joke* Jul 01 06 06:17 pm Link I like to photograph black women but in USA it is difficult to find black women with curly hair. Jul 01 06 06:31 pm Link BCG wrote: ........and your page is void of said content due to .......... ? Jul 01 06 06:33 pm Link BCG wrote: Was it a Black female model you were shooting when you realized, in the middle of the shoot, that you had to go poop? Jul 01 06 06:34 pm Link Melvin Moten Jr wrote: ahem...cough cough..... Jul 01 06 06:44 pm Link I am Japanese. I have had good experiences shooting with photographers from many different ethnicities and geographical locations. Do I think that MM contains racism? It has no more than any other community of people and probably less than many, in my opinion.  Jul 01 06 06:46 pm Link Yes...in my experience it goes both ways...... I will not shoot a white model if she looks like she is on crack and the bus just dropped her off from the trailer park And I will not shoot or work with a black model who looks like the busy dropped her off from the ghetto, used her last welfare check to get extentionsetc..... I think you all know where I am going with this but ya it is here because certian people like myself want certain looks and if you don't have then 2 words Bye Bye Jul 01 06 06:48 pm Link I'm a white photographer, mainly working with African/African-American models. Racism is everywhere, and so is human preference, which is often mistaken for racism. Jul 01 06 06:56 pm Link the hell with this racist crap. I dont like short people! Jul 01 06 07:01 pm Link I think you may be feeling sexism more than race. I know that most of the male models that I work with are black. They seem to have more confidence and "bring it attitude" to the shoot. That said I only shoot 1 male to every 20 female. When I am ask why? My standard answer is... when you (male) walk into a department store...We get a corner the woman get six floors. I sent a black male model home 1 time because I told him to bring different clothing. He looked at me as a big time racist. I told him to look in the mirror. Anyone can model HipHop and gang banger clothing. But he had a look that transended race. We shot later with Gap look, Calvin etc looks. He went to Maimi for a vaction and never came back to Las Vegas. Got picked up by a major agency. I agree with an earlier post. I know that when I first meet a black female model I walk on egg shells. Most are as sweet as can be and a dream to work with. But the only models I have ever had attitude problems with( very few) were all black females. Seem to have a "you owe me...because I am a star" attitude. I don't deal well with the attitude. I have worked with too many others that work there butts off to get somewhere. Good Luck Jul 01 06 07:04 pm Link I hate black and white pictures... does that make me a racist person??? kidding.Jul 01 06 07:06 pm Link Katisha H wrote: Well at any rate I think we can all agree that the modeling industry is not an "equal opportunity employer". It discriminates against race, sex, height, and weight. In a business built on appearances It is always going to be there. I agree. Why do rappers get chosen as lead roles in movies? Certainly not because they can act. It's all about who will bring in the most ticket sales at the box office. The industry thrives on selling. Generally that's the whole point of "modeling". Most of us forget that modeling is just what it says... "model". You are displaying or being a representative of someone's clothing, jewelry, shoes, cars, or what have you. It's not just taking pretty pictures. That's hobby stuff. The back page ad on a major magazine costs about $100,000 per issue. No ad agency or company is going to pay that kind of money on an ad unless they were sure that it could bring them in more sales. If they have to bring in a Black model to target a black audience, that's who will be featured on the ad. If they need to use a white model to target a white crowd, or a hispanic model to target a hispanic crowd, or hell, just a damn good looking model that appeals to all, that's what they'll use. Whatever it takes. Black squared plus white squared over hispanic squared equals green. Jul 01 06 07:08 pm Link Yes. Racism is everywhere. Everyonne has bigoted thoughts. Regardless of who you are or what color your skin is, or what religion you are. It is human nature to be aggressive and angry toward things you don't understand or ar unfamiliar with. I used to shoot only white models. That was all I could book. Then I photographed many black models. Now I shoot lots of black, white, chinese and latina models. IT is all on what is avaialable and presetnted to you. Hell If I was working in porn I would be shooting porn stars all the time. Plus I feel location and racial demographic are an issue here. How many black models are there in the middle of Nebraska or Alaska? Race is always an issue. Just don't forget the other circumstances that are involved in an issue. To boil things down to black and white is to disregard and negate the other factors. That is close minded and lame. Another 2 cents.... Jul 01 06 07:09 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: After hearing this statement, a devastated Tikeya stops herself in time from ringing UnoMundo's doorbell and turns around to get back into the car...sobbing uncontrollably. Jul 01 06 07:11 pm Link Tikeya wrote: you are NOT short; you are a wonderfully perfectly proportioned woman. Jul 01 06 07:14 pm Link Black female models...I have a high fashion client who is looking for a 2 black female models. Must be 5'7"+. You can see samples of her designs on my mm site. We have been looking for 2 months and most black female models don't have any work in their portfolios that my designer client can relate too. e-mail me if interested. B Jul 01 06 07:16 pm Link Tilden wrote: Market saturation Jul 01 06 07:28 pm Link |
