TXPhotog wrote:
At this point I think it's a great imponderable.  Nobody knows until it happens, and when it does, the specific circumstances are likely to outweigh more general considerations.

Lots of variables:

1.  Is this a private tape that surfaces, or one that is deliberately made for distribution?  If the former it's a lot more likely to be forgiven by the industry.

2.  What is the reaction of the model when it happens?  The way she treats it has a lot to do with the way she is perceived.

3.  Who are her major clients, and what is their attitude?

4.  Who are her sponsors in the industry, and how do they feel about it?

5.  Is the tape more-or-less in keeping with the public persona of the model, or is it something we would not expect?  Kathy Ireland comes to mind as a "would not expect".

6.  How long a time frame do we have before deciding what the answer is?  Kate recovered from her drug use revelations pretty quickly; I'd guess the recovery time, if it is going to happen, would be similar.

Exactly.  It all depends on who, how, when and what. 

Who:Kathy Ireland?  Would be damaging.  Janice?  We would have seen that one coming.

How:Stolen?  Like Pamela Anderson, we all understood.  Provided for promo?  Paris...yeah, I am sure she had no idea (rolls eyes).

When: If a video of Britney and Justin came out when she was still professing virginity, it would have ruined her.  If a video of her and K-Fed came out we would chalk it up to her recent conversion to White-Trash Hell. Anyone see her last night?  Does she have a PR person?  If so they must be ready to kill themselves.

What: If it is a stolen home video between them and their significant other....what can you do?  If it was a adult amatuer porn they did when they were younger to afford their LA studio apartment... that might not surface so well.

JAY carreon wrote:

"Go back to sleep , If they were ,the question would have been answered"?!

Whut chu say, sucka?!  English, please.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Sorry I missed putting a comma after "If they were" ( Comma )

Apfel Photography wrote:

Exactly.  It all depends on who, how, when and what. 

Who:Kathy Ireland?  Would be damaging.  Janice?  We would have seen that one coming.

How:Stolen?  Like Pamela Anderson, we all understood.  Provided for promo?  Paris...yeah, I am sure she had no idea (rolls eyes).

When: If a video of Britney and Justin came out when she was still professing virginity, it would have ruined her.  If a video of her and K-Fed came out we would chalk it up to her recent conversion to White-Trash Hell. Anyone see her last night?  Does she have a PR person?  If so they must be ready to kill themselves.

What: If it is a stolen home video between them and their significant other....what can you do?  If it was a adult amatuer porn they did when they were younger to afford their LA studio apartment... that might not surface so well.

Hey lets stick to Giselle - would it ruin her career .....

JAY carreon wrote:
And no more fashion work afterwards.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Like Playboy killed the career of an up and coming Cindy Crawford in 1988 (or Stephanie Seymour before she booked Victoria's Secret, or Elle McPherson, or......). Actually Cindy was in trouble after her disasterous appearance in Sports Illustrated (one terrible picture), Playboy probably saved her career. Cindy still has the only black and white cover Playboy has ever run.

Paris doesn't do high end fashion? Hmmm, so who is the new Guess campaign girl?

I always get a kick out of the of the Vanessa Williams story, people are so gullible. How may black finalists had there been in the Miss America pagent prior to Vanessa winning, care to guess? But when she had to give up her crown, who did they give it to? Why that would be the runner up, Elizabeth Charles, who was.....black! Shocked, shocked I tell you, such a scandel! Nudie pictures of Vanessa? For sure no one knew! (The ratings went up 25% the next year, and yes I was shocked, shocked!)

Sex, drugs, and rock & roll, the beat goes on. It's about the buzz, always the buzz. Calvin does kiddie porn commercials, then gets three months of free publicity on every talk show. Kate get caught(??) with coke, loses three campaigns, signs five more. Mainstream advertisers? Who's that girl in the new Nikon ads on TV? The one that ends with: "...and Kate looks pretty good, too!" Does that white line under her nose mean she's doing the "Got Milk?" campaign. Inquiring minds want to know!

Fish(ie)

That Look Photo wrote:
porn never killed anyone !

but getting aids at the gang bang has!!!

Garry k wrote:

My thinking is that those big fashion houses would drop her like a rock ( or drop her like they dropped Kate Moss for getting caught snorting coke ) then scramble to resign her when they realized her general popularity had actually increased

crypticarts wrote:

And i'd pay to see!

and if I was a middle aged male I'd stay home and jerk off to it.

RockstarVanity wrote:
Being a public drug taker didn't do Kate Moss any harm, even though she has a young daughter (who would've been taken into care straight away had Kate been a 'normal' person and not a rich, famous one).  She had a bit of bad publicity, which somehow turned into just publicity and then good publicity within a matter of weeks, and is still getting paid to put her face on a variety of products, even a make-up range who's advertising is targeted specifically at teenage girls (Rimmel).  One of the ads even says something like "Look great even if you've been up all night".  Yeah, snorting coke before you go back home to your little kid.

Less socially acceptable behaviour seems to be becoming less and less frowned upon, as long as the person doing it is already pretty well known (and rich).

Good point - I have often wondered why no one ( ie the Press ) has been talking about the welfare of Kates young dtr....ALso with respect to the  child welfare authorities why has no action been reported ? Personally I think the answer to the second question does not simply have to do with Kates wealth but maybe the British class system as well - as we know in America celebs such as Michael Jackson  and Brittany ( put your child in a car seat ) Spears have been under the Child Welfare microsope ...THen there is the sad case of Courteny Love - who cant get custody of her dtr back despite her own estimated  50 million dollar wealth

Garry k wrote:
Would doing porn ( ie an explicit home video ) kill the FASHION  career of a Supermodel -( lets pick on Giselle for this  one )

Up until a couple of years ago the  conventional thinking was that a foray into porn would kill the fame ( and commercial opportunities ) available to a celebrity - but then along came both Pammy and  Paris's sextapes ..After the shock waves died down both ladies seem to have become more popular than ever. adn in the mainstream market ( whats the latest - they are thinking of casting Paris as Mother THeresa ?)

SO my question is - If a hardcore home video sex tape of  Giselle were released - would Victorias Secret ( or any other fashion house ) still feature her .......

( I am not asking how many male photogs would add the Giselle sex tape to their collection )

Scorching Images wrote:
No. Most models if not ALL the major players have posed nude at one time. The big difference is you pose the question, porn. Now if they had a porn pass, it would just hit the scandal rags and make them even more popular. It will eventually die down and it's back to business. Anyone remember Venessa Williams? It HELPED her career. Went on to be a great singer and spokemodel for commercials and film.

It now seems fashionable to be a super model and THEN do porn. I've been told by people that Pam Anderson made over 20 million on the back end for her porn tape and Paris Hilton made close to 60 million.

Most models worry about doing nudes and always say on their pages here on MM, NO NUDES but when you see their ports, ....nudes!

I always get those same models emailing me to work with me and do nudes and once they are comfortable, they try porn. It's all in a day's work, and they will go a far as they push themselves in their careers, regardless of any repercussions because it's how you deal with it and what YOU make of you future career. Not some nudie pics.

Well there is a difference between nudes and hardcore porn .....

Paris made 60 Million ? I think even she would have to say "thats hot "

JAY carreon wrote:

First of all, neither Pamela Anderson nor Paris Hilton are "Supermodels" - they are "minor celebrities"!  Have you seen either of them on a major, nationally broadcast campaign for the likes of Prada or Gap or Versace or Nordstrom's lately?  There was a moment in "fashion time" when "scandalous women" were considered all-the-rage - but like anything in fashion, that has already passed.

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

JAY carreon wrote:

First of all, neither Pamela Anderson nor Paris Hilton are "Supermodels" - they are "minor celebrities"!  Have you seen either of them on a major, nationally broadcast campaign for the likes of Prada or Gap or Versace or Nordstrom's lately?  There was a moment in "fashion time" when "scandalous women" were considered all-the-rage - but like anything in fashion, that has already passed.

"I beg to differ. Pam WILL go down as an ICON like Marilyn Monroe."

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

Garry k wrote:

Well there is a difference between nudes and hardcore porn .....

"Not much. It's all about the male masturbation, and most women's clothing catalogs can be considered porn. Porn my meaning is for the self gratifacation of one's self. A SEARS catalog used to do the trick. Believe, it's all BS and if you have the look, walk and attitude, you will be a fashion supermodel regardless if you got poked on film."

Paris made 60 Million ? I think even she would have to say "thats hot "

CarolineVictoria wrote:
If they don't use condoms, porn will definitely KILL their career!

"They are tested more than the avergae person doing a one night stand at the bar. So NO they won't die from their career move. That's BS.

5 people are in a house, a teacher, a nun, a CEO, a mother and a porn star. A plane crashes into it and kills them all. Next day in the paper, it reports, "4 killed by a plane carsh, and a porn star dies of AIDS". That's the way the media treats all of this."

Mitsukai wrote:

and if I was a middle aged male I'd stay home and jerk off to it.

As a young attractive woman - would you ?

Sky Above wrote:
Have no idea....but I hear video killed the radio star.....

That would be a great title for the R Kelly biography ,,,,,,,

Scorching Images wrote:
OH! And the biggest one is Jenna Jameson. Did porn and still does yet makes FHM's top 10 last 3 years in the row. BEATING out most of those "supermodels". She even hosted the Skike TV Video games Awards...didn't see Tyra Banks there. She's now worth over 30 million  and some change!

Tera Patrick was a Ford model and on the cover of Vogue like 3 times before she was 18 and when she tunned 18 did porn and now is doing even better and is CEO of 3 different companies she has created.

And FHM is like Vogue Right ?

I have no idea whether your claim about Tera Patrick is true - it seems very very   hard to believe BUT - you can back it up with a Internet reference as I am sure they have every Vogue cover displayed somewhere. BUt even if Tara had gone from Fashion to Porn - Could she  go back ( or is it once a porn star , always a porn star ?)

Scorching Images wrote:
"They are tested more than the avergae person doing a one night stand at the bar. So NO they won't die from their career move. That's BS.

5 people are in a house, a teacher, a nun, a CEO, a mother and a porn star. A plane crashes into it and kills them all. Next day in the paper, it reports, "4 killed by a plane carsh, and a porn star dies of AIDS". That's the way the media treats all of this."

Hmmm guess I really dont know THAT much about the porn industry :-)

Arobeck wrote:
no

madonna did it, still famous
Elle mc pherson did it- still famous (sort of)
like others have said there are a lot of variables, such as models attitude,popularity/notoriety/talent. (eg was she good in the vid or a real dude unexciting skank like paris?)
we live in an age where 'porn' is popular, the youth culture has embraced it to the point of rockstat celebrity, will it fade like fashion only to be reborn in 10 years time or just become excepted or passe?
who cares really, it's about time sexwas just dumbed down into all cultures and excepted for what it is...natural, no big deal, sometimes shared between more than two people.
The soon we get over it the quiker we focus on more impotant issues like abusive relationships, violence and currupt leaders, which seem to have been taken for grant for way too long, unlike sex.

I find it offensive that you view Paris or anyone as a "skank "

Garry k wrote:
I find it offensive that you view Paris or anyone as a "skank "

sorry!

context of skank simply meant unatractive, surely I'm entitled to my opinion and taste?

On the whole, I dont have a problem with paris- she is not ugly, has a sort of charisma (evewn if rather unclassy/lowbrowe), lives her life as she see's fit--I just thought she was really boring in the twenty minutes of that vid, some guess just like celbrities huh?
I like people., bonking a name means nothing, it's the bonk that counts:)

Jason D. wrote:
Since when did mainstream America start having an acceptance of pornography?  I must have missed it.
J.

almost every ad u see today is treading the line of what porn is if not just plain old soft porn. look at pefrume and BODY SPRAY commercials? if axe or tag doesnt make you think about wanting sex then i dont know what does. britneys perfume commercials too. almost every ad uses sex/porn to sell. maybe because it works so well that we should just admit that we are a bunch of horndogs because we keep pushing the envelope of what the industries will allow at a given state of society.
p.s.
paris is a skank. i dont think shes attractive either. her face reminds me of a potato. sorry. anything blonde and rich can be famous these days.
no offense to those who actually earn it and are beautiful.

sorry to be off topic...
but can someone explain to me how it became ok to show entire breasts excluding the nipple? is it not a breast without a nipple? is it more acceptable? i dont get it.

Laurel Lea wrote:

almost every ad u see today is treading the line of what porn is if not just plain old soft porn. look at pefrume and BODY SPRAY commercials? if axe or tag doesnt make you think about wanting sex then i dont know what does. britneys perfume commercials too. almost every ad uses sex/porn to sell. maybe because it works so well that we should just admit that we are a bunch of horndogs because we keep pushing the envelope of what the industries will allow at a given state of society.
p.s.
paris is a skank. i dont think shes attractive either. her face reminds me of a potato. sorry. anything blonde and rich can be famous these days.
no offense to those who actually earn it and are beautiful.

sorry to be off topic...
but can someone explain to me how it became ok to show entire breasts excluding the nipple? is it not a breast without a nipple? is it more acceptable? i dont get it.

Well there is innuendo , and  then there is nudity , and then there is simulated sex , and and then there is penetration ......Thats how I see the continium  ..They are not the same thing , but one thing may lead someone  to think about another

The breast /nipple discussion is an interesting one - why dont you start a a discussion of the issue ?

Rue 99 wrote:
I think it would be a huge risk and probably would hurt their income quite a bit. The examples you cite don't make the bulk of their income from modeling. The supermodels make their money off catalog, endorsements, and commercial, most of which disappears along with their reputation.

If the model wants to get into another line of work, that's a different story.

And what if she was hooked on crack/cocaine?  Gia was drug addict and yet she showed up on an assigment high.  Kate Moss case in point.

And didn't Jenna Jameson (Porn Star) sign with a major modelling agency a few years back?  The first pornstar to do so.

Dont think Ive seen Jenna walking the Paris Runways or in Vogue - but she could ahve been in on of those Heatherette shows with Amanda Lapore

Lapis wrote:
unless the supermodel and her co-partners are doing something wrong, I certainly hope it wouldn't kill her. Hurt her career? that is another question.

Define wrong .......

Garry k wrote:

Define wrong .......

Inserting or using objects or body parts in a way such as to be fatal to aforementioned supermodel.

Lapis wrote:

Inserting or using objects or body parts in a way such as to be fatal to aforementioned supermodel.

Yes a fatality would be very wrong!

Garry k wrote:

Yes a fatality would be very wrong!

Just going by the title.......