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I have some questions for models. What is your take (or what are your feelings) regarding photographers who want to pose with the models in some of the shots during a shoot? I am NOT talking about anything sleazy here. (There are some pretty well known guys here on MM who have some fun and interesting photographs of them with models! Some I have seen are REALLY good.) What if the photographer has a concept or "theme" where he could "play" a male role or act as a sort of human prop? If the concept is an interesting one and has artistic merit, would you have a problem shooting that? Once a model and a photographer get to know each other and become friends, this is not usually much of a problem. But I am curious about the uneasiness factor in such a situation for those that do not know each other that well. If a photographer suggests it, do you look at him as if he is crazy? Or worse? If you are open to it, what is the best way to bring it up? And what about the ugly (well.....less photogenic) photographer problem? LOL Perhaps these are dumb questions, but I am curious. Comments? Jun 10 06 10:16 am Link I never have my pics taken with models.....or anyone else that for that matter.....no one wants to look at an old fat guy with grey hair.....besides, I'm not into ego stroking.....OH!..Look at me!...I'm with the HOTTEST babe and now you can be jealous..... As long as I can produce images that both the model and I like.....I'm happy! Jun 10 06 10:19 am Link I do like the idea of having an editorial type shot with some of the models I work with. But who will take the picture???? The tri pod timer trick, takes too long to get it right. You could give the MUA or hair stylist one of your other cameras or something. www.jaysonpolansky.com Jun 10 06 10:25 am Link Only time I ever pose with a model in shot is they want a pic for their scrapbook or something. I am very camera shy and dont like having my picture taken. Jun 10 06 10:34 am Link Jun 10 06 11:49 am Link Eric Kroll and Aaron Hawks do it brilliantly. It's certainly possible. Jun 10 06 03:50 pm Link It depends on the images that come out of it, I guess. If it's more than a "hey, look at me-- I can get chicks nekkid!" shot, I don't see the problem.  Jun 10 06 03:54 pm Link Damn, that last one is genius:  I had my model shoot me with the chainsaw but she's not in it so I suppose it doesnt count.  Jun 10 06 03:59 pm Link I think photogs are photogs for a reason, we only want to capture the beauty and hate being caught in front of the lens ourselves Jun 10 06 04:02 pm Link I usually collect "trophy" pictures. One frame of me with the model near the end of the shoot, when ideas are all gone. Mostly they just show that I, the fat old guy, was actually in the physical presence of a beautiful and extremely naked model. So, call me a perv... -Don Jun 10 06 04:09 pm Link Dario thanks for the kind words but you could get banned by publishing a photo that is full frontal on a forum. That's why I linked mine. I shot this photograph with Ilford Delta 3200 ISO film in 120 with the RB shown in the shot. I hate to use the word document but somehow I like taking my own picture on my birthday (I do this every year) and with the more interesting models I find. Alex Jun 10 06 04:13 pm Link Digital Basement Studio If I understand well it is fairly easy to fire a digital camera remotely so that you can take your photo with your model. Since I use mechanical cameras I have a very long pneumatic bulg in my camera bag that I take out for these situations. They still make them. Alexwh Jun 10 06 04:16 pm Link i like posing !!!!! when i get bored i might do some silly things in PS7 and put me in a shot...... but its just 4 fun... I mean i got shots of me in my hard copy port... Jun 10 06 04:18 pm Link I have a few ideas that would work well with a male human prop, but i figure it would be easier to have another person play that role instead of me, and I can concentrate on the photo. Now i do know some models don't feel comfortable in the beginning of there career to add a third person to the mix, and they may feel more comfortable with the photographer rather than the person a photographer may invite. All of the ideas I have had, would show the face of the male prop so it wouldn't be an ego situation of wanting to be in the pic, but i would suggest they invite someone they would feel comfortable with, and that person would be comfortable in the photos. That is just my opinion. To each is own, and if it works, I guess it is no big deal. It just depends on the model and the photographer. Jun 10 06 04:21 pm Link Photographers (or at least this one) sometimes forget what it's like to pose and face some big camera or asked to open eyes while facing some very hot and or bright light. Having my picture taken with the model sometimes helps me to put myself in the model's situation. I would never ask a model to do something I would not do or cannot do. Many times it's the model who requests the two shot. A shoot in a studio with a model is an intimate affair. The photo in some cases either reflects this intimacy or whatever tension may be present. Here is a picture where I wanted to record the relative complexity of a tub shoot! Alexwh   Jun 10 06 04:33 pm Link  "the legend of Pei Mei and the five point palm exploding heart technique" from my KILL CHIL vol II series D/P was kenny 'corona' alvarez of gloria estafan productions look for the continuation of KILL CHIL vol II to be shot next week in the deserts around las vegas with Elle, Budd, Beatrix, and Oren Jun 10 06 06:09 pm Link Wow, a thread like this, and I made to the bottom of the page without seeing... ...Click Hamilton! Jun 10 06 06:12 pm Link ADG Photography wrote: Totally creepy is what I think. I've had the occasional model or client ask for me to be in a shot along with the stylist and makeup artist as a record of who was working with her on the project, and although I personally dislike any and all photos of myself, I will agree to doing this if this is something that is important to her. Jun 10 06 06:31 pm Link I worked with a photographer who had a wall full of shots with him and each model he had worked with. It didn't bother me in the least because he was very polite. Now if I had been shooting nude and he wanted to take his clothes off to join me THAT would have been another story!! Jun 10 06 06:33 pm Link well I am also a Model, in fact I was a model way before i got into photography MM# 6741 is my modeling profile https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=6741 and i still do modeling Jun 10 06 06:42 pm Link hey, that's me in the picture - that's me in the spotlight. i appear in my photos when the model is o.k.with it. even though they're tied up i always ask first! Jun 10 06 06:46 pm Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Perv. Jun 10 06 07:34 pm Link Every once in a while, I'll take a picture with the model I just finished shooting. As I'm usually in jeans and a t-shirt, it's not the most flattering shot, but it's cool to have a picture with them AT THE END. LOL I don't get into shooting with the model, but at the end, sometimes I'll have the MUA take a couple of pics with me and the model(s). Jun 10 06 07:38 pm Link FKVPhotoGraphics wrote: At least you have hair! LOL Jun 10 06 07:45 pm Link As an art photographer I may have a different take on it. I have often posed with my favorite models...as a method of self-portratiture...to document where and waht i was doing at a certain period. I only have done this with models who are important to me. Not just some "hotttie". I admit i rarely post them here for the fear a new model would think it was required of them. And also the older I have gotten the less I seem to do this. Mike Jun 10 06 07:48 pm Link My image does not show up on film nor DSLR's below 16MP...... Jun 10 06 07:57 pm Link I wouldn't do it any other way. Without me, they wouldn't be Click Hamilton photos. Click Hamilton www.pbase.com/click_hamilton  Jun 10 06 11:50 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: You, sir, are a master of this of which I posted. Kudos to you. Jun 11 06 06:52 am Link alexwh wrote: These photos are good, too. I like them. Jun 11 06 07:01 am Link Digital Basement Studio wrote: My Canon P&S digital camera (the first digital I ever purchased) has a tiny remote control that alows for wireless firing of the camera. If done carefully, you can often even hide it in the shot. I have just recently discovered that Nikon has such a device for their SLRs and I am going to purchase one of these for my D70. Jun 11 06 07:06 am Link There are many photographers who have posted, but we have heard from few models. I am mostly interested in their take. Jun 11 06 07:08 am Link I know it is not quite the same thing; however, when I do a cultural demonstration at which photographs are also being taken (i.e. I am doing the tea ceremony and one or more photographers are taking pictures of me and the audience), I usually get asked to pose for momento pictures at the end of the lecture/presentation. That usually means that the photographer(s) have pictures with me, either alone or as a group shot. On other occasions, when it is a photoshoot that is not part of a cultural demonstration, we have sometimes done 'behind the scenes' shots of me in make-up, of the lights and reflectors being set up, of the photographer and me discussing what we are going to do next, etc. To me it seems perfectly normal to have a picture taken with a friend and professional colleague. Jun 11 06 07:25 am Link akemi wrote: Well written. Thank you so much for your comments, Akemi. Jun 11 06 11:38 am Link ADG Photography wrote: Thank you for the kind words .. Jun 11 06 03:47 pm Link I've posed with my model once or twice, but only because there was a lack of male models on hand and I don't mind having my shots done by someone else that I trust. I mean its still my direction that Im giving the one taking over. Jun 11 06 03:50 pm Link Everyone knows I love Click.. So I'll let it drop at that.. But there's another MM'er.. Fairly new.. Kassandra (sorry don't know her MM#).. Goth style, but... 17 years old.. Does her own styling, wardrobe, modeling, and photography.. And basically knocks the socks off of more than a few of us.. (Definitely me..) Oh, and she also does some pretty impressive art work on the side.. I swear.. Multitalented people like that..... Not fair, God.. Not fair.. Jun 11 06 03:52 pm Link MM# 3245, I know her work from Deviant Art, extremely talented lady. Since I do quite a lot of stock modeling myself for the various artist resources online and communities I work with, being in a photograph with a model is no big thing by any means. Even if I have to do remote triggering of the camera, it is just another part of the work. It is the costuming, make up if any and getting the right reactions from the other model that can be challenging. Not many models out there are quite prepared to be part of a "Harry Potter" wizard shoot and have an idea of just what kind of effects are going to come out of that wand.. chuckle.. in any case, spirits bless, Marion Jun 11 06 04:22 pm Link I have seen Kassandra's work. No two ways about it, the girl ROCKS! Jun 11 06 04:34 pm Link I suffer for my art.  Jun 11 06 11:16 pm Link BCI Photo In my field of editorial photography, portrait photography in a city that is not big (Vancouver) I could not do this. I don't think I could do this in a big city. Perhaps this model is related to you or you know here well. When I teach photography (particularly a course called the portrait nude) I tell my students that the closest they can get to touching a model is to move some hair from the model's eyes or foreahead by using the pinky. Anything else is crossing the line of professionalism. Alexwh Jun 11 06 11:24 pm Link |
