Claire Elizabeth wrote:
All right if you don't like her port, that's fine but don't call her out like this!

Seriously. She may not be your cup of tea, but she apparently is someone elses. Be nice and take down the link to her portfolio.

Claire Elizabeth wrote:
All right if you don't like her port, that's fine but don't call her out like this!

just keeping it real! I told her the same thing... I'm not trying to call her out, I'm calling her out, I'm calling out the liars who said "great work!" or told her, way too nicely that her work is bad... keep it real!

dani faye wrote:
why are we giving people empty dreams on MM? You guys, stop commenting on horrible images and saying "nice job". It makes me wonder if the comments left on my pics are real or not. Can we start keeping it real? If the pic is ugly, say so or don't comment at all... If you insist upon being nice, say "nice try" rather than "great shot". Misguided people make MM make it look like the people on here aren't serious. Not trying to be mean, but it's people like this

https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=64102

that you don't need to lie to... stop telling her that it's ok... unless you wanna help her get a better look and new pix. I know that we all need to start somewhere but modeling is not for EVERYONE... don't falsely encourage people...The same goes for me... so if you have anything to say about my port, feel free to keep it real! Aren't we here to keep it real? Network...etc.

I came to the on line modeling sites to find talent of a more alternative nature than is available at main stream talent agencies. I would hire this woman in a heart beat for a fine art figure study. I would also hire her for lifestyle images used in advertising campaigns. Judging from the pictures on her site I don't think she knows how beautiful she is. By your comments, I don't think you understand what a broad spectrum modeling covers.

WG Rowland wrote:
Ok..

Dump "bird"  doesn't fit in with the rest..

cool thank you for keeping it real! the only way we get better is through critique!

dani faye wrote:

just keeping it real! I told her the same thing... I'm not trying to call her out, I'm calling her out, I'm calling out the liars who said "great work!" or told her, way too nicely that her work is bad... keep it real!

Yes you did call her out and it was extremely rude. If someone linked your port in a thread and said "this sucks" you would be offended too. Yes, falsely encouraging people is bad, but starting a negative thread linking to someone's portfolio is worse. We aren't allowed to cite people's MM numbers in threads and we definately aren't allowed to link them either.

dani faye wrote:
I'm calling her out, I'm calling out the liars who said "great work!" or told her, way too nicely that her work is bad... keep it real!

the direct link to her portfolio, whatever your expressed intentions, might be considered awfully close to an infraction of rules 1 & 7; no doubt a moderator is gonna step in at some point ...

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

I came to the on line modeling sites to find talent of a more alternative nature than is available at main stream talent agencies. I would hire this woman in a heart beat for a fine art figure study. I would also hire her for lifestyle images used in advertising campaigns. Judging from the pictures on her site I don't think she knows how beautiful she is. By your comments, I don't think you understand what a broad spectrum modeling covers.

No, I DO understand what a broad spectrum modeling covers... I totattly get it... but my point is her port can't be taken seriously... it's not just the pictures... did you read her port? Her name? that can't be taken seriuosly.

Scott Johnson wrote:
It goes like this... If i'm not interested in commenting on a pic... I don't...If I truly like a model or photogs work, I will.

exactly...don't lie...that's the point

well said.

dani faye wrote:

exactly...don't lie...that's the point

Its a great point, but couldn't you have said that without inserting a link to someone's profile and publicly humiliating them? Geez.

dani faye wrote:

just keeping it real! I told her the same thing... I'm not trying to call her out, I'm calling her out, I'm calling out the liars who said "great work!" or told her, way too nicely that her work is bad... keep it real!

Personally, I think you can "keep it real" without hurting innocent bystanders. You say you're not trying to "call her out," but you gotta know that is exactly what you are doing. That's cruel and unnecessary.

You know, at least half the world is below average -- if I went around slapping everybody else who is dumber than I am, uglier than I am, poorer than I am, and so forth, my arm would fall off. So I "keep it real" by passing out compliments to the deserving, and those less fortunate than me, well, I wish them luck as they try to make their way, and just leave them alone. How much realer do you need? We can't all be Tyra Banks and Richard Avedons.

Jared H wrote:
I think that she needs better pictures and alittle advice.

That said I can appreciate the op's view, it is better to tell people the truth. It is selfish not to.

thank you...isn't that what we're here for...

dani faye wrote:
Not trying to be mean, but it's people like this

https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=64102

that you don't need to lie to... stop telling her that it's ok... unless you wanna help her get a better look and new pix. I know that we all need to start somewhere but modeling is not for EVERYONE...

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. I realize you have no clue about this, but there is a VERY active and extremely lucrative market for BBW, or Big Beautiful Women out there, and she's just fine in that capacity. There is no such thing as a single standard for beauty, and a lot of women who aren't stick figures can succeed as models. Don't let ignorance cloud your worldview.

dani faye wrote:

No, I DO understand what a broad spectrum modeling covers... I totattly get it... but my point is her port can't be taken seriously... it's not just the pictures... did you read her port? Her name? that can't be taken seriuosly.

I just saw your site/port and I wonder where you think you have the credentials to call out someone else. Do you think this diatribe going to help your career? If you have the slightest inkling that you might live in a glass house, keep the stones on the ground.

dani faye wrote:

thank you...isn't that what we're here for...

That may be what YOU are here for -- maybe it's even what most of us are here for -- but who made you Queen that gets to decide what SHE is here for. That's what freedom means -- we each get to decide for OURSELVES what we're here for. Nobody has a right to tell other people how to behave, as long as they're not hurting anybody.

Claire Elizabeth wrote:

Yes you did call her out and it was extremely rude. If someone linked your port in a thread and said "this sucks" you would be offended too. Yes, falsely encouraging people is bad, but starting a negative thread linking to someone's portfolio is worse. We aren't allowed to cite people's MM numbers in threads and we definately aren't allowed to link them either.

I called myself out! feel free to critique! I need it too...I'm not saying that I'm better than her. All I'm trying to point out is that people are being rude and lying on her tags ans comments...

dani faye wrote:

I called myself out! feel free to critique! I need it too...I'm not saying that I'm better than her. All I'm trying to point out is that people are being rude and lying on her tags ans comments...

This is not the critique forum. If you want to be critiqued do it there. Bringing another models portfolio here for public discrimination is uncalled for.

How do you know some people don't like her work? They may honestly feel it is good.

angelinme wrote:
She's confident enough to post her photos.  She might not be "standard" but Shyly is one of the most fabulous people on MM and look at all the great work she is doing.  Why couldn't this girl have the same opportunity?  That's one of the things that MM is good for, it doesn't all have to be serious get me published and $$ work.

There is a lot of fakeness on MM I know what you mean, people sometimes don't give the most honest of critiques and tons of stuff is sugar coated, but it's inevitable in any sort of art form.

"serious get me published and $$ work."
that's what she said she wanted...I'm not saying that she can't model... she just needs to be in the right field.

dani faye wrote:

I called myself out! feel free to critique! I need it too...I'm not saying that I'm better than her. All I'm trying to point out is that people are being rude and lying on her tags ans comments...

Well since YOU say they're lying it must be true. Maybe they actually like her work? Really all this thread has done is made you look incredibly rude so your point is lost.

dani faye wrote:

just keeping it real! I told her the same thing... I'm not trying to call her out, I'm calling her out, I'm calling out the liars who said "great work!" or told her, way too nicely that her work is bad... keep it real!

this is what happens when you keep it real

http://www.videovat.com/videos/971/chap … -real.aspx

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

I just saw your site/port and I wonder where you think you have the credentials to call out someone else. Do you think this diatribe going to help your career? If you have the slightest inkling that you might live in a glass house, keep the stones on the ground.

and thank you for keeping it real!

Claire Elizabeth wrote:

Well since YOU say they're lying it must be true. Maybe they actually like her work? Really all this thread has done is made you look incredibly rude so your point is lost.

did you read the tags?

Nemi wrote:
I think she is a bad example of what you are trying to say.


There is a girl that used to be here, I don't know if she still is, that had very blurry snapshots with like 17 comments on them saying how great the PHOTOGRAPH is...saying the model is great is one thing, saying the photograph is great is a whole other thing.

I could not for the life of me wrap my mind around it.

that's really what I'm talkig about... it's not her look... it's her port.

dani faye wrote:

did you read the tags?

Yes I read them. People are entitled to like work even if you don't. Its called an opinion and like yourself, people have them. Have all the opinions you want, you actually had a good point BUT you ruined it by linking her port. That's just nasty and uncalled for.

kickfight wrote:

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. I realize you have no clue about this, but there is a VERY active and extremely lucrative market for BBW, or Big Beautiful Women out there, and she's just fine in that capacity. There is no such thing as a single standard for beauty, and a lot of women who aren't stick figures can succeed as models. Don't let ignorance cloud your worldview.

it's not her look...it's her port

Envy wrote:

Seriously. She may not be your cup of tea, but she apparently is someone elses. Be nice and take down the link to her portfolio.

Yeah! You tell em Wynd err uh I mean Envy.