theda wrote:

How log ago were you working on your PhD? By the time I teetered my way into college, Almost all of Freud was considered a quaint historical factoid.  Actually, I think he's been discredited too much. But the oral/anal/gental phase thing is still pretty out there.

Back in 1989 I defended and you want to know what my general conclusion is?  I truly think that we don't really know!  We guess, make judgments and throw metaphorical dart at a dart board when it come to the human brain.  If it is a material issue, chemical imbalance etc that is one thing but as for behavior it is a crap shoot.  My final conclusions is; most people will never get well if they do nto want to.  It is like saying I am not an alcoholic, I just drink too much!

Freud had is own issues I say! LOL  I say want to and it will happen.  Enable it and things remain the same.  Ignor it, it worsens!

Nemi wrote:
Uhm, it's craigslist...
Do you know how many fucking weirdos are on that site?

She was right to call you a jackass. You didn't put her in her place, you just burned a bridge for no good reason, and made yourself look crazy in the process.

If you think TFCD is so "STUPID" you should never have answered her ad in the first place. Don't be so proud of yourself for being smarmy asshole.

Smarmy asshole...  LMFAO!!  Can I borrow that phrase in describing my mother-in-law???

Digital M A G I C wrote:
Don’t act like your some super model setting up a top secret photo shoot, refusing to give out any info until your high standards are reached.

She asked for the help not me.

And it'd be GREAT if photographers can stop acting like god's gift to models!

I certainly hope you like working alone with your camera, because after this post it certainly seems like thats all you'll be doing.

Tape Her Up wrote:
Take a few pills, ... get laid--do something.

And let the congregation say a-men to that!

Digital M A G I C wrote:
I know this is going to start a lot of drama, but it’s not like I give a shit so…….

Here’s my story, fell free to share yours.

I answered a New York Craig’s list ad the other day “TFCD Photographer needed for outdoors shoot“

My Email to the Model:
“I would like more info on this... Like; What type of project is this? Where will it be shot? Who’s the model? Where can see some of her photos? Where will my photos be used? Things like that and any other info you can give.â€?

I thought this was a simple request on my behalf, for information that should have been in the ad.

Model:
“I would be happy to furnish that information if you would provide samples of your work.â€?

Ok no problem there.

Now I’m no pro, but I am proud of the work that I do, and I’m not afraid to show it.
So I started to replay (out of reflex) with a link to my Model Mayhem page along with some photos of shots I don’t have posted.

Then something just snapped, LOL I don’t know why but I ended up posting a replay to her ad on Craig’s list.

That went like this…
“You expect an experience photographer to carry equipment around the hot city all weekend; taken photos of your STUPID ASS. (While paying for their own transportation, lunch, and water)

You want the photos retouched so that no one can see that STUPID look in your one good eye. (Hours of work, just to make you happy)

You want the photos on a CD in different formats that you can use for your CD cover or whatever. (The Photographer / Photo Editor / Designer, won’t see a dime form the sell of his/her work)

Not only do you want all of this and most likely more. You want it all for FREE

But only after you view the photographers work, and decide if their good enough to work for you.

All of this before you give-up any real info on this project of yours

Read this over a few times... maybe the focus will come back into that eye of yours, and you’ll start to see how STUPID you really are.â€?

She ended up calling me a jackass.

But it’s not like I give a shit so……..

Sorry to tell you but, she is right...you are a Jackass....more like a Dumbass...that was a very stupid move...your camera should be taken away and you should be put in a corner...

Digital M A G I C wrote:
Read this over a few times... maybe the focus will come back into that eye of yours, and you’ll start to see how STUPID you really are.â€?

She ended up calling me a jackass.

I read it over a few times. 

She's right.

theda wrote:
You want a cookie?

Is this offer available to me? Cause a cookie sounds really good right now.

Nemi wrote:
She was right to call you a jackass. You didn't put her in her place, you just burned a bridge for no good reason, and made yourself look crazy in the process.

If you think TFCD is so "STUPID" you should never have answered her ad in the first place.

I'm gonna have to agree here.

None of that was justified OR professional.

theda wrote:
You want a cookie?

Can I get a cookie too?  I haven't been mean to any models, but I don't have any cookies in my house, either, and I could really go for one.

theda wrote:

Ooh! C! C! The answer is always C.

And I loved Slapstick.

Yeah I agree the answers  definitely C!!

lol!

Digital M A G I C wrote:
I knew this was going to start a lot drama
[...]
Don’t act like your some super model setting up a top secret photo shoot, refusing to give out any info until your high standards are reached.

Which part of

Digital M A G I C wrote:
Model:
“I would be happy to furnish that information if you would provide samples of your work.â€?

sounded like "some super model setting up a top secret photo shoot, refusing to give out any info until your high standards are reached."?

When did "Ok no problem there. " become something you couldn't accept, and went on a rampage over?

And where did you find out that the model had a "STUPID look in your one good eye", or that she wanted "the photos retouched" "on a CD in different formats"? Was that before or after you said you might be interested?

Pot. Kettle. 0R+0G+0B.

Or, in your own words: "Read this over a few times... maybe the focus will come back into that eye of yours, and you’ll start to see how STUPID you really are."

Digital M A G I C wrote:
I have a funny felling a lot of people are going to want to play nice after this.

You are a legend in your own mind my friend...

Digital M A G I C wrote:
So anyway….. I was sitting here reading all of this and thought to myself.
Would I be wrong if struck back at them on a personal level, like they did to me?
I mean anything I say will be twisted to make me the bad guy anyway...

I don't know what your definition of "wrong" is, but you've made it clear that you don't have a problem with being immature. Now, instead of getting mad about what I just said, or laughing your ass off, hopefully you will read on...

Digital M A G I C wrote:
Anyway these are just some of the thoughts that went threw my head

Maybe I should be a comedian, this shit is funny.

I have a funny felling a lot of people are going to want to play nice after this.

I read through this entire thread as well. And I find it interesting that your choice was to flame people instead of making any valid points to those who were just generally confused by your extreme reaction. Maybe you don't think the people replying are "worth your time", but then why post this here in the first place? Maybe you SHOULD try to be a comedian, because you sure aren't going to get much work after choosing to "strike back" on this thread. Now, my recommendation would be to answer the general question people have for you... "What made you snap?"

I don't really get the whole "playing nice" comment. Do you feel like you've been sufficiently intimidating? Again, your definition of "playing nice" is, no doubt, subjective. People are nice to those they respect. A lot of people tend to ignore those they don't. Where do you think you fit in?

(I'm not even going to call attention to specific typos and grammatical errors in his posts. I think quoting them emphasizes them enough.)

photowoody wrote:
Not very good  PR for you.....you know ''it's a small world'' and 50% of us have heard  of , or worked with each other or know someone who has, don't screw up your rept.

Uh....too late.

Digital M A G I C wrote:
I have a funny felling a lot of people are going to want to play nice after this.

I have a funny feeling the flood gates are now going to be open!

Digital M A G I C wrote:
What did surprise was that some people took my posting personally as if I was speaking directly to them. And in return, attacked me.

*** scratching head, almost certain this is all for affect ***

Okay, I'll bite.  The RESULTS are that you have no pictures to add to your portfolio and a model (or someone wanting to break into the ranks of a model) is insulted and will now be twice as leary about approaching the next photographer.  As a photographer (or wannabe, however you care to classify me), I take it personally when someone in my community is doing things that make it harder for the rest of the community. 

I'm curious ... what sort of response did you want (other than personal)?  A critique of the way you handled the situation?  A judgement call on whether the model was justified in asking for examples of your work before providing you details?  It seemed like what you were asking for was to stir up shit (your words, not mine).

Digital M A G I C wrote:
Maybe I should be a comedian, this shit is funny.

I have a funny felling a lot of people are going to want to play nice after this.

The only thing funny about your original post and follow-up is that you don't see how stupid, childish, and immature you're making yourself look.

Digital M A G I C wrote:
My original post seems to have hit a nerve with a lot of people, especially the female models, no big surprise there “I know this is going to start a lot of dramaâ€?...

Maybe I should be a comedian, this shit is funny.

I have a funny felling a lot of people are going to want to play nice after this.

Wow...you should just give up...right now...you should remove all your photos and ask a mod to delete your profile...because I can safely assure you that any model who's seen this will have no interest in working with you. With this post you have proven yourself to be a prime candidate for the "World's Biggest Asshole" contest. For someone who doesn't give a shit, you sure seem to. And by the way...TFP is something both photographer and model are supposed to benefit from, so it kind of makes sense for her to want to make sure that the photographers contacting her are worth shooting with. You wouldn't do TFP with an ugly chick, well a model's not going to do TFP with a shit photographer.

PS...no...you shouldn't be a comedian...because nothing you said was at all funny (except maybe because of the sheer stupidity of it), and generally people don't laugh at jokes when the comedian can't even figure out that it's finger paint...not figure paint. Oh look...you were wrong again...that didn't make me want to play nice...what a shocker.