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Should the mua pose?
I recently worked with a mua that I loved. I mentioned this to another model and she said that when she worked with the mua, she basically took over the shoot and the photographer had more photos of the mua than the model. Is it appropriate for the mua to step in front of the lens if the photographer suggests it? Jun 01 06 08:24 am Link She should have the courtesy to wait and schedule her own shoot!! Jun 01 06 08:42 am Link Not if your friend was paying for the shoot and/or the MUA. Even if it were a TFP, the photographer could have scheduled a different day to shoot with the MUA or waited till your friend was done. Jun 01 06 08:44 am Link It was TFP. I would definately say if a model pays then thats just wrong. I just wasn't sure if since it was TFP other models thought that was rude or how stylists felt about it. Jun 01 06 08:46 am Link Hey Eva was an MUA when I started, now she books 50% of the time for modeling gigs. As a photographer I want to let you know, if I am having the MUA in front of the lens instead of you it could be 1 of several reasons: 1. You are a bit of a pill, or maybe misrepresented what you look like. I want to salvage something so I ask the MUA if she wants to get some shots 2. The MUA is just plain beautiful, and a bird in the hand.... 3. One of the other models didn't show up, I ask the MUA if she has ever thought about modeling If it is in addition to you, even a 50/50 split don't worry about it. Enjoy the break. Everyone has fun at Star's Shoots. (Dsiclaimer: Star's Shoots does not actually GUARENTEE a good time. Many people have been miserable when shooting with Star. Their thoughts have wandered to murder or just simple humilitation. Inability to leave one of Star's shoots is a major side effect of shooting with Star. She is not above hiding your keys or changing the clocks.) Jun 01 06 08:56 am Link Star wrote: Love this lol. Jun 01 06 08:57 am Link Er... she's a makeup artist.... not a model. No? Jun 01 06 08:58 am Link Was she hot? Jun 01 06 08:59 am Link I've done 'quickie' fun shots of an MUA with her work....no big deal. R Jun 01 06 09:02 am Link Ray Savage wrote: Claire said the MUA took over the shoot. That was rude!! Jun 01 06 09:05 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: LOL...tough crowd this morning. Jun 01 06 09:10 am Link Ray Savage wrote: Right. I wasn't there so that is what I was told. I was just saying hypothetically how should that type of situation be handled. Jun 01 06 09:16 am Link Well....maybe the MUA was a better model than the original model herself. It happens. Jun 01 06 09:45 am Link James Graham wrote: What kind of a stupid fuckin' question is that? Jun 01 06 09:49 am Link Hey, if the MuA's got bigger b(o)(o)bies than the model, then by all means  Jun 01 06 09:50 am Link this is my main mua. she likes the camera. but shes also a total pro and knows what a photoshoot is supposed to be like.  Jun 01 06 09:52 am Link Howard Garcia wrote: She should schedule her own shoot then!! Jun 01 06 09:53 am Link Well, I saw the movie Gia so I can only say yes, you should let the mua model with you. Jun 01 06 09:54 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: That's up to the shooter to decide. Jun 01 06 09:56 am Link I'm a makeup artist and a model.... but when I go on a job it's for one or the other..... I would never want to make another model uncomfortable at her shoot. When I'm the MUA on a shoot I play down my looks as much as possible for that reason. Jun 01 06 09:57 am Link Howard Garcia wrote: He already did when he scheduled the original model. Jun 01 06 09:58 am Link Howard Garcia wrote: The point is its rude!! How would you like another photographer to take over your shoot. Jun 01 06 10:06 am Link theda wrote: ----- Jun 01 06 10:13 am Link Ashley Mandy wrote: i undertand where u are coming from, when I am asked by a photographer to be in front of the camera I, ususally decline and if he is insistant, then I will do it but only with make-up and brush in hand.... Jun 01 06 10:46 am Link only if they are HOT Here's my MUA http://www.pbase.com/digitalcmh/anha.jpg   On a slightly more serious note, if the photographer "robbed" the original model of her session (meaning, wasted her time) then that is wrong. Blame lies with the photographer though, not the MUA. Jun 01 06 11:15 am Link Im wondering then, if a mua is workin with a group of models and one model decides to do anothers models makeup is that ok? Basically is it ok to take over someone else's role or should we all just know our place on the set? Jun 01 06 11:19 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: Agreed...that's a pretty nasty stab to the model's self esteem if the photographer pays more attention to the MUA than the model. The MUA should've known better, and so should the photographer. She was there to do makeup...not model, and he was there to shoot the model he set up the shoot with...not the MUA...that's pretty mean to screw over the model like that. I don't snatch photographers' cameras from them or try to do my own makeup when there's an MUA there. No one would allow that, so why allow the MUA to steal the model's job? Jun 01 06 11:20 am Link Kaitlin Lara wrote: is it really fair to say she stole the job? u can't steal a photogrpaher, that's like stealing a boyfriend, everyone has a choice as it relates to their own behavior mua , model, & photographer Jun 01 06 11:33 am Link Talitha Williams wrote: The OP said the photographer in question had more photos of the MUA than the model...besides...it was the model's shoot...the photographer must've had contact info for the MUA if he was going to get the images to her, so why couldn't they set up a shoot at some time other than when the model is supposed to be shooting. If a model schedules a 3 hour shoot and has to leave when that 3 hours is up, any time during that 3 hours that the photographer takes to shoot the MUA is time taken from the model...I just think that's unfair. If I knew I was going to go to a shoot and have to sit and twiddle my thumbs while the MUA modeled, then I'd set up another shoot where I'd actually get to use my time being productive. Jun 01 06 11:40 am Link The real question here is will the model recommend the MUA to work with her on other assignments? Models often refer MUAs to photogs. So if an MUA gets a reputation for negatively effecting the model's anticipated work, then it's a bad practice. If a person wants to build a business doing makeup on shoots, then it is a good idea to be cognitive of the situation. I was on a TFP shoot just yesterday where the MUA was spontaneously asked by the photog to model. I didn't mind because the original plan for the shoot required another model anyway. So it worked out great. However, being a 400-mile round trip drive with a bunch of wardrobe prep, I had a fair amount of time and travel expense getting to the shoot. The MUA I worked with was very professional and was hesitant to intrude until I encourage her. I would definitely use her again because of her professional attitude. I would be hesitant to refer an MUA that had an agenda that conflicted with mine. I was on a shoot a few weeks ago in which I ended up assisting far more than I anticipated. -The photog ran out of time to do more than a couple shots for me. It was also another long expensive drive and left me questioning the value of the shoot for my purposes. Not that I had any complaints since it was a lot of fun hiking into the mountains and working with a bunch of fun energetic people. - I just wish I knew that I did not have to spend a day getting wardrobe prepared ahead of time and packing it into the location.  I think it's very important for everyone involved to know up front what the shoot is generally about and what to expect from the process. MUA's that have good modeling skills can be a real help on a shoot, but it also can cause some dissention if the model gets short-changed. Jun 01 06 11:55 am Link Ahh the voice of reason. Jun 01 06 11:57 am Link Claire Elizabeth wrote: The photographer is responsible. If you don't like the MUA posing, tell the photographer. If the MUA doesn't like the models applying makeup, tell the photographer. Jun 01 06 11:59 am Link Ashley Mandy wrote: Same here and I must agree with you. The photographer should be professional enough to simply tell the model that her performance is lacking and she needs to step it up, especially if it a TFP. I think that it is kind of rude on both the part of the makeup artist and the photgrapher to engage in what I would consider "hunmiliation" to the model. Jun 01 06 12:03 pm Link Ashley Mandy wrote: Makes sense to me. Jun 01 06 12:11 pm Link HELL YEAH, didn't you see "Gia"? Set the model free on the MUA and before long you've got some serious girl-on-girl action! I kid, I kid. :-P Jun 01 06 12:18 pm Link VRG Photography wrote: i didn't know the model brought clothes....we need to hear the other 3 sides of this story...the photographer, the MUA and the truth cause all we have to go on is the model's version, via her friend Jun 01 06 01:16 pm Link VRG Photography wrote: Talitha Williams wrote: I was speaking of the MUA. Should a MUA come dressed to shoot? I think they should come dressed to work. NOW, if that's what they normally do makeup in, not a problem, but if they dressed that way "just in case," that could be a potential issue, depending on the model. Jun 01 06 04:23 pm Link I was speaking of the MUA. Should a MUA come dressed to shoot? I think they should come dressed to work. NOW, if that's what they normally do makeup in, not a problem, but if they dressed that way "just in case," that could be a potential issue, depending on the model. oops... I meant the MUA, not the model (hopefully she brought clothes:) ) Jun 01 06 04:49 pm Link James Graham wrote: theda wrote: :::snicker::: Jun 01 06 05:59 pm Link wasn't the photographer to fault for not maintaining control of his/her set? not forgetting who the client was? and who was auxiliary help? being great with a camera, as we see, doesn't mean being great in business matters. FML Jun 01 06 06:03 pm Link |
