Nina G Artistry wrote:
I have been talking to this photographer for a while...He has been relatively hard on me (concerning my work) but I very much appreciate his honesty and help. Recently he sent me a message saying that I may benefit from talking a few classes geared toward makeup for print...I responded by saying that I have looked into seminars and such but since I am already a full time student at a major university studying physics, I really do not have much time for a full class!!

I love my artististic side. In fact I started college as a fine arts major. Makeup artistry for me is a wonderful experience and I may very well choose to make it my career if I feel I am capable in the future. I am constantly researching other makeup artists and I have befriended several on MM who have helped me improve. I, however, love my schooling and I am proud that I am able to balance the two quite nicely.
No it is not fair, in my opinion.
The photographer, however, responded to me by telling me that if this isn't my career choice that I do not belong here...I was told that my work shows quite drastically that I do not take it seriously and that he hopes no one will waste their time on me...

Do others share his opinion? Is anyone else offended that I do not completely intend on making this my career choice?? I love my artistry and I admire those who have made it a career, but is it fair to say that it is either all or nothing???

Nina G Artistry wrote:
I have been talking to this photographer for a while...He has been relatively hard on me

OMG! A photographer on MM with a Hard On

Blow him off (not literally) and surround yourself with professionals in your field not ingrates

Nina G Artistry wrote:
Anyone else have anything to say???

Looks at profile...

I started off with an MUA similar to your style. She was good with eyes, but needed to do more about the facial area. Only thing I can say is...

How do you get to Carnegie Hall??

Nina G Artistry wrote:
Anyone else have anything to say???

If you want to put your physics degree to good use and have make up as something you fool around with, then you are just fine the way you are. I'm sure the term "starving artists" isn't new to you. Art is hard to sell, so if it's a career (income) that you're after, then perhaps whoring out and doing exactly what the industry demands is the only way. It all comes down to how bad, and how serious you are about a career in this.

Kevin Bargeron wrote:
why do people need to have other's tell them what to do to feel justified?  Do what you want, do what you like.  You may have time when finished with 'proper' schooling to do something artistic.  Maybe contact the theater department at your school about doing make-up for plays and other productions.  they may even be able to provide products for you to use (although that may not be very likely).

Physics is hard.  You're a smart girl.  Make up your own mind and do what you want.

Its really not about anyone telling me what to do...If I listened to what others had to say I would probably be an accountant like my mother LOL.  I am basically just wondering if this opinion is shared by a majority of others in the industry...

Yes I am a smart girl...thanks for the compliments on my work...This really isn't about my work, this is more about whether or not it is acceptable to continue working in an industry that you may or may not choose as your career for th erest of your life.

Nina G Artistry wrote:

Its really not about anyone telling me what to do...If I listened to what others had to say I would probably be an accountant like my mother LOL.  I am basically just wondering if this opinion is shared by a majority of others in the industry...

Yes I am a smart girl...thanks for the compliments on my work...This really isn't about my work, this is more about whether or not it is acceptable to continue working in an industry that you may or may not choose as your career for th erest of your life.

yes it's acceptable, why wouldn't it be?

Nina G Artistry wrote:
The photographer, however, responded to me by telling me that if this isn't my career choice that I do not belong here...

He's wrong.  This isn't a professionals-only website, which is pretty obvious if one takes a look around.  The mixing of hobbyists and artists, semi-professionals and professionals will inevitably result in some conflict, since there are such wildly divergent goals and priorities amongst those groups.  I wouldn't take it too much to heart if you can help it.

Nina G Artistry wrote:
This really isn't about my work, this is more about whether or not it is acceptable to continue working in an industry that you may or may not choose as your career for th erest of your life.

You mean that as a serious question?  One to which you do not know the answer?  And you ask it on a site in which relatively few members are choosing photography, modeling or any of the other related skills as a "career for the rest of their life"?

How about a different question (which doesn't entirely apply to the hobby world):

If you intend to work in the industry, should you not have the skills appropriate to professionals in that industry, regardless of how many hours per month you intend to devote to it?

TXPhotog wrote:

You mean that as a serious question?  One to which you do not know the answer?  And you ask it on a site in which relatively few members are choosing photography, modeling or any of the other related skills as a "career for the rest of their life"?

How about a different question (which doesn't entirely apply to the hobby world):

If you intend to work in the industry, should you not have the skills appropriate to professionals in that industry, regardless of how many hours per month you intend to devote to it?

Yes yes...You should have the skills...The point is that he planned on working with me and helping me develope my skills until he heard that I also had a second goal for my future...I am well aware that I do not have ALL the "skills appropriate to professionals [in this] industry." I however, do not feel that it is appropriate to say that I should leave if this is not my one and ONLY goal.

Nina G Artistry wrote:
I however, do not feel that it is appropriate to say that I should leave if this is not my one and ONLY goal.

Bingo.  You have your answer. 

C R Photography wrote:

OMG! A photographer on MM with a Hard On

Blow him off (not literally) and surround yourself with professionals in your field not ingrates

lol

Nina G Artistry wrote:
I love my artististic side.
Do others share his opinion? Is anyone else offended that I do not completely intend on making this my career choice?? I love my artistry and I admire those who have made it a career, but is it fair to say that it is either all or nothing???

After that, I don't understand why you have a question. It's just one man's opinion and, thus shouldn't be offensive or upsetting or anything of the sort.

Just consider the suggestive thst specifically have to do with your work and disregard anything else as it is not really relevant to your condition (or at least it shouldn't be).

F-ing Nuts Benny wrote:

lol

actually that is pretty damn funny!!!

You avitar is wonderful Benny

Nina G Artistry wrote:

actually that is pretty damn funny!!!

You avitar is wonderful Benny

thank you Nina, My Avatar is my new little nephew

lightsandshadow wrote:
Is this person the only one that has given you a negative comment?  If you believe in your abilities and like what you do, Artistically, keep on doing it!
This business has a lot of built in rejection for some reason or another.  You have to develop a thick skin and and stick to your own Artistic vision.

No, and I actually handle the negativity when it comes to my work very well. Trust me I have dealt with it from both sides...Its not everyday that you see a (reletively fashionable), hispanic, jewish, female physicist!!! I just became very bothered by his insinuation that I am not going to be successful because this isn't my only focus...Normally I would have said f$*k off, but I am a lady and a professional so I bit my tounge and had to vent!

Natalie Photography wrote:
Photography is a hobbie for me as well. Modeling is a interest as well. I enjoy them both as much as anyone with a hobbie would. I dont want to make a living with them and i will not even consider it. I will be going onto graduate school in September. I just dont know who died and left him King to determin who should and shouldn't be here.

Good luck with grad school!! I am headed that way also, so let me know how its going in Sept!!!

grsphoto wrote:
I can see were he is coming from.

If he is trying to be a pro, espically in fashion or commerical, he needs to develop a team of people reliable around him.

He has spent some time trying to develop your skills, only to be be told that you really weren't serious about it... you just dabbled. Since your carreer goals are not the same as his, he may have felt that you wasted his time.

I wouldn't really call it dabble..I am serious about my makeup artistry...It is just not my only goal!!! I have spent just as much time developing my skill in makeup as I have in my studies...this photographer knows this!!!

Fons Studio wrote:
Stick to Physics, it pays MUCH better.

Are you kidding me? I did my undergrad in physics (astro) and completely gave up on ever finding a decently-paying position in the field.

I went into computers, instead, which had nothing to do with what I studied.

Chris Ambler wrote:

Are you kidding me? I did my undergrad in physics (astro) and completely gave up on ever finding a decently-paying position in the field.

I went into computers, instead, which had nothing to do with what I studied.

This is why I am aiming to get a PhD....there is hardly any work for a physicist with a Bachelors

VirtuaMike wrote:
Professionally speaking, as much as they bitch and moan photographers aren't at the top of the food chain. In the end it's the client that has all the money. Don't let him get to you. He's just running his mouth off and making himself look bad. It's not his place to judge.

WOW I can't believe a photographer said that!!!

Just kidding...Thanks for the support Mike

Nina G Artistry wrote:
Recently he sent me a message saying that I may benefit from talking a few classes geared toward makeup for print...I responded by saying that I have looked into seminars and such but since I am already a full time student at a major university studying physics, I really do not have much time for a full class!!

Nina G Artistry wrote:
I have spent just as much time developing my skill in makeup as I have in my studies...

Just from these statements your full time schooling has priority... and rightly so.  Make-up is not your primary goal.

Nina G Artistry wrote:
The photographer, however, responded to me by telling me that if this isn't my career choice that I do not belong here.

Nina G Artistry wrote:
Anyone else have anything to say???

No matter what course you choose in your life there will always be someone there to say you're wrong. Take advice graciously then toss it aside and continue on.

Danny