Tony Lawrence wrote:
Register with a
modeling agency.

They hold registration now? Like school?

Nerlande wrote:

They hold registration now? Like school?

hehe nerlande, you'er my hero.

Nerlande wrote:
They hold registration now? Like school?

Synthetic Shadows wrote:
hehe nerlande, you're my hero.

Funny, we have the same hero

TXPhotog wrote:
Like running into brick walls, do you, Tony?

Thats what my wife always says.  She reads my post and laughs. She is forever
saying, you believe that stupid sh$%?  I'm not wrong 100% of the time but about
80%.   Next I've got something for all those crybaby photographers who whine
about model no shows.  Charge a deposit.    If
people are wasting your time.  Why do they let them?  Do what people in the real
world do.  Ahh but thats another thread and I have to pad up for all the bats, bricks , rocks and stones photographers are going to throw at me.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Agency models test all the time just not always
with 'Joe' the glamour shot photographer but they do test with new
and often unknown photographers.  This isn't to say that every model
can make a living with modeling but almost all the models on this site
are attractive and can do something.

Let's be real. Almost all are attractive?

What do you mean by 'can do something'.
They can stroke an ego and sleep around. We all know that's REALLY what brings success.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Models are lazy!

You confuse the term Model with hobbyist.  A Model is one that can claim that distinction based on determining factors by others.  A hobbyist is one that claims to be a Model based solely on their own factors.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Not all but so many of the models posting are lazy and you know who
you are.  Before I hear from the models who go to all the auditions
test all the time and respond to your e-mails, back away from the keyboard.  I'm not talking about YOU.  This is for that lazy majority that 'claim' they are serious but are always to busy to actually show up for shoots or too advanced to do TFP, can't be bothered with responding to e-mails don't update their photo profiles.  Many of these same models complain about the lack of work they are offered but expect a modeling agency to make or break them.  If you expect to become a working model then spend the time to advance youself.  Forget that
silly crap about no TFP.  Agency models test all the time just not always
with 'Joe' the glamour shot photographer but they do test with new
and often unknown photographers.  This isn't to say that every model
can make a living with modeling but almost all the models on this site
are attractive and can do something.   Immerse yourself fully into this.
Contact every good photographer about shooting, show up on time
and get that current book.  Go to all the auditions.  Register with a
modeling agency.  The real ones.  Those that are Lic. and bonded. 
Test shoot at least three times or more a month.  If you can't do some
of these things then don't say you want to become a pro level model.
Admit you are lazy and only want to do this in a very casual way.
Some of you  might feel I'm a bit blunt or that I'm a bit of an ass
maybe a total ass but I'm not claiming I want to shoot photos.  I
spent big bucks like so many here and actually take photos.  I am
always willing to shoot any serious non lazy model.  I offer TFP and
even pay.  Thats all because I want to be a photographer I'm not
pretending I want to become one.  So the real question is are YOU
serious or are you wasting your time and ours.

Many are not serious with there choice of being a model.

There are many seeking attention only

Cheerleader and spy for another photographer or just simply Bored

playing games and love the attention.

Sincerely
Ron Blake

Nerlande wrote:
Seriously, I don't think it's right to come out with 'Models are lazy'. Some models are lazy, yes. Some photographers are lazy. Some people are lazy. Too general. It seems to me you're bitter about no shows, and models not responding to your emails. In that case, those threads are that way.

There are people that do this part-time or as a hobby. They go to school, go to work, then modeling comes later. There are other models that put 100% into this.  It's ultimately what each model wants for his/herself.  How do you know that the models posting are not trying to do things for themselves; going to open calls, networking on here?


Let's be real. Almost all are attractive?

What do you mean by 'can do something'.
They can stroke an ego and sleep around. We all know that's REALLY what brings success.

I really think that ANY attractive women focused and serious can get
work.  I don't mean that they can make a living from modeling.  Thats not easy
I admit that.   Almost all the photographers here are dead on the
money serious.  These people take classes and want to improve.
Go to any of these group shoots and there are at least five photographers to
every model.  These guys aren't after cheap thrills but want to shoot and create
art.  As far as I go.  I'm in a very small town in Texas and there aren't a lot of
models near me.  I contacted one though for example.  She said, I'd love to
shoot but I need you to provide a MUA and outfits.  This being a TFP.  WTF???
Her profile has the same images on it well over two months later.  All from
this serious model.  I don't expect models to run and shoot with me I'm a average
shooter but I do expect those that claim to be serious to put up or shut up.

Nemi wrote:
This post might make an iota of sense if every model here were 5'10, rail thin and had a real shot at doing this as a career.

That is not the case.

More bullsh%^  I looked at your profile and you could get work.  No doubt
you already have.  Every model isn't 5'10" and rail thin.  Your short but
very pretty and while Elle, W and Vogue may not be a option there are things
you can do and I'm sure already have.  See the ideal here is no excuses are
accepted.  Again I'm not saying all models could make a living from modeling
thats not easy at all but what about all those models who complain they
can't get work.  Take a look at their ports and their awfull but they only want
to be paid to test shoot.  WTF???  People aren't going to pay you to improve
your stuff.   However katie I can see by what you've got that you are pretty
focused so this isn't a post with models like you in mind.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
I really think that ANY attractive women focused and serious can get
work.

So you're not talking about the women on this site?

Tony Lawrence wrote:
I don't mean that they can make a living from modeling.  Thats not easy
I admit that.   Almost all the photographers here are dead on the
money serious.  These people take classes and want to improve.
Go to any of these group shoots and there are at least five photographers to
every model.  These guys aren't after cheap thrills but want to shoot and create
art.  As far as I go.  I'm in a very small town in Texas and there aren't a lot of
models near me.  I contacted one though for example.  She said, I'd love to
shoot but I need you to provide a MUA and outfits.  This being a TFP.  WTF???
Her profile has the same images on it well over two months later.  All from
this serious model.  I don't expect models to run and shoot with me I'm a average
shooter but I do expect those that claim to be serious to put up or shut up.

Group shoots. Oh jeez. I think they're a joke, but I digress.

So what did you expect from this model? Were you going to provide a make up artist? Cause TFP includes them sometimes you know. She wanted you to provide the outfits. Some photographers do. I believe you guys could have compromised. Have her bring a couple things. Do your best to find a make-up artist. You contacted her. Some models can't do makeup. Who cares what she's doing two months later. There are plenty of other models out there.

JA Foto wrote:
I have to agree with the photographers who are finally bitching about models who are late or don't show, or act like they are doing a favour just to show up. I used to model and I can tell ya the investment made by a model is nothing compared to what a photographer dishes out.

The truth is there are a lot of wannabe models with strange diva attitudes here on this site. Not all of the models, but I have to say most. Most "models" on this site are wannabes. All you have to do is look to see that. Then once a photographer finds someone  who aesthetically brings something to the shoot, it's like pulling teeth to get them to keep the appointment.

To the models who conduct themselves professionally, You are so appreciated when we find ya. A young model who is well mannered and reliable is so impressive.

Thank you!

Tony Lawrence wrote:

However katie I can see by what you've got that you are pretty
focused so this isn't a post with models like you in mind.

Reading your post, the cat claws started to come out, then I saw the end and calmed down

JA Foto wrote:
I have to agree with the photographers who are finally bitching about models who are late or don't show, or act like they are doing a favour just to show up.

Finally bitching?! That's all that goes on here.

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
Tony, Nerlande is just trying to 'butter' you up!
Never annoy little people !

grrrr with the butter

Nerlande wrote:

Tony Lawrence wrote:
I really think that ANY attractive women focused and serious can get
work.

So you're not talking about the women on this site?


Group shoots. Oh jeez. I think they're a joke, but I digress.

So what did you expect from this model? Were you going to provide a make up artist? Cause TFP includes them sometimes you know. She wanted you to provide the outfits. Some photographers do. I believe you guys could have compromised. Have her bring a couple things. Do your best to find a make-up artist. You contacted her. Some models can't do makeup. Who cares what she's doing two months later. There are plenty of other models out there.

Here's what I would expect.  If you claim via your profile you want to model
and are serious but need images that you support that claim by showing up,
providing make-up if needed and bringing outfits.  My point for the group shoots was that in general photographers want to shoot and although group shoots
kinda remind me of those porn gang bang videos (not that I watch them)  It
does show that these people have a real desire to improve.  The MUA could
be a problem.  I offered that she go to a mall near me and I'd pay for the
make-up.  Outfits I can't provide but thats not really the point.  This was
about the vast number of models here, some who contact me for my paid
shoots but come hours late (yes three have done just that) or don't show at
all (two more) or come with no make-up after they were told to or don't
respond to e-mails or all the other lazy ass excuses they provide.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Not all but so many of the models posting are lazy and you know who
you are.  Before I hear from the models who go to all the auditions
test all the time and respond to your e-mails, back away from the keyboard.  I'm not talking about YOU.  This is for that lazy majority that 'claim' they are serious but are always to busy to actually show up for shoots or too advanced to do TFP, can't be bothered with responding to e-mails don't update their photo profiles.  Many of these same models complain about the lack of work they are offered but expect a modeling agency to make or break them.  If you expect to become a working model then spend the time to advance youself.  Forget that
silly crap about no TFP.  Agency models test all the time just not always
with 'Joe' the glamour shot photographer but they do test with new
and often unknown photographers.  This isn't to say that every model
can make a living with modeling but almost all the models on this site
are attractive and can do something.   Immerse yourself fully into this.
Contact every good photographer about shooting, show up on time
and get that current book.  Go to all the auditions.  Register with a
modeling agency.  The real ones.  Those that are Lic. and bonded. 
Test shoot at least three times or more a month.  If you can't do some
of these things then don't say you want to become a pro level model.
Admit you are lazy and only want to do this in a very casual way.
Some of you  might feel I'm a bit blunt or that I'm a bit of an ass
maybe a total ass but I'm not claiming I want to shoot photos.  I
spent big bucks like so many here and actually take photos.  I am
always willing to shoot any serious non lazy model.  I offer TFP and
even pay.  Thats all because I want to be a photographer I'm not
pretending I want to become one.  So the real question is are YOU
serious or are you wasting your time and ours.

Models can be serious and chose not to respond to photographer emails.   I started out being selective on emails and responding back with an acknowledgement that I received their offer, and a thank you.  However, I've found there is an extreme lack of professionalism and they send me a flaming email back accusing me of all sorts of things because I declined their offer.    I've found it's sometimes best to just ignore the ones I'm not interested in b/c there is no sense of all that BS from their side.

MichaelBell wrote:
Thats because 99.9% of the photographers on here want to take nude or topless photos of models TFP! What do you expect? Most models dont model for a hobby like photographers do photography as a hobby. Modeling isnt really a hobby, its a job and most people expect to be PAID for a job.

Just for a point of information.....I joined MM almost a year ago. Upon joining, I contacted SEVERAL models to see if they wanted to do a TFCD shoot to "improve" their "camera phone" photos.
This "test shoot" would have gotten them in front of 2300 clients that would PAY for their service "as a model", even if they didn't HAVE experience.

One girl, in the town NEXT to me, had no car...she'll get back to me next week...haven't heard a word....her pics, still the same.

One girl, 3 towns north of me, scheduled a shoot. Called her on the DAY of the shoot to pick her up....her boyfriend was working, she never picked up her CELL PHONE. She is still "listed" here...no photos though.

One girl, on LI, has the SAME 2 PHOTOS duplicated since she joined. She only "accepts PAID WORK".

I forgot MORE stories than I want to write or make you laugh at.
So this is my LAST.

I am a "working" photographer which doesn't give me a LOT OF TIME to post or read or even "browse".

I had "time" a few weeks back. I contacted about 18 "models" here for shoots.

All I got was b*llshit about them being busy, working, no transportation and .....uh, forget it.

WORKING MODELS HERE are like HENS TEETH.

They have NO idea of what it is like to be a REAL model, they want EVERYTHING handed to them with NO EXPERIENCE and then they want a PAY CHECK on top of it.

I tip my HAT to the WORKING MODELS....I have gotten some of them MORE WORK!
To the wanna be's that waste the time of EVERY SERIOUS person here, even MUA'S,
they should go back to school or get married or let mom and dad continue to support them.

SORRY to all for my "RANT".

PS....I STOPPED booking MUA'S BECAUSE of the "models" here NOT SHOWING UP!!!

Ron B Blake wrote:
hey! thanks!! yeah i would definitely be interested!!! sorry it took so long to get back to ya! well hope to talk to ya soon! lata!

  um, i'm kinda busy lately, with work! but..... will we beable to set something  summer??

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sure accuse the photographer of being unprofessional?  bunch of bull shit

attention whores drama queens

IF you actually read my post, you would see that I USED to respond back with an acknowledgement that I received the email and a thank you.   However, photographers became offended by that and threw a tantrum.    So I don't even bother with setting off their unprofessional BS and don't waste my time by responding to their request.  Who wants to deal with such immaturity???

Narvell wrote:


HALLELUJAH!!!!  Someone is speaking the gospel truth!  LOL!!!

Really, models kill me with... I have the look you are looking for.  Contact me when you are ready to do a TFCD.  Are you for real?  Especially if they are a no show.  My rule of thumb is, if they have web or phone cam photos on their portfolio they should pay.  With all the money they saved on using their web cam for their first photo shoot, they should pay for professionals to make it all better.

Models that continue to strive for excellence, I commend you and I get excited to know that you may go far.  My newest example is Danielle who is now on ANTM.  She is doing amazing things and I hope she wins.





Then and now

When I met her she was very young, professional and determined to model professionally.  She had dedication, spirit and knew it was going to take more than a nice body or strong face to make it.  The rest of you busted folks who think talented people like photographers and stylist "should" make you without compensation or at at least professionalism... da heck with you I say!!!   If you are not into this for real, leave the rest of us alone to deal with models who use their potential to do great things.

I personally like her picture before.    True beauty is simplistic.   The second picture is too busy and complicated.

Ron B Blake wrote:
Many are not serious with there choice of being a model.

There are many seeking attention only

Cheerleader and spy for another photographer or just simply Bored

playing games and love the attention.

Sincerely
Ron Blake

There's a profound truth to that.  It's actually quite applicable to many photographers, too, but still...

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Almost all the photographers here are dead on the
money serious.  These people take classes and want to improve.
Go to any of these group shoots and there are at least five photographers to
every model.  These guys aren't after cheap thrills but want to shoot and create
art...

Whoa there, cowboy!  Now honestly, you don't legitimately believe that do you? 

For every guy or girl who just looooooves to be in front of the camera and feel beautiful (whatever the hell that means) and see pretty pictures of him/herself to make up for the lack of popularity or dates in HS... there's a guy or girl holding a camera who wants nothing more than to be in the presence of beautiful people for the exact same reasons.  And perhaps these people are serious about that, but in no way would I think that these people  -no matter how talented-  aren't in it for cheap thrills and the fluff that people romanticize into this industry.

I'd venture that the people on this site who are truly serious and aren't in it for the fluff are few and far between...

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
I like my models lazy.  The less stuff they bring to a shoot, the better.  Because after all, Nude is the new Black.

Maybe lazy is the new black? I'd go for it...

iceblueeyedgirl wrote:

IF you actually read my post, you would see that I USED to respond back with an acknowledgement that I received the email and a thank you.   However, photographers became offended by that and threw a tantrum.    So I don't even bother with setting off their unprofessional BS and don't waste my time by responding to their request.  Who wants to deal with such immaturity???

Ice blue girl

I did read your original post and completely understand it.

I however was displaying a typical lazy models response in unprofessional

un sincere un dedicated response IF You would have opened your eyes and read.

Narvell wrote:
Really, models kill me with... I have the look you are looking for.  Contact me when you are ready to do a TFCD.  Are you for real?  Especially if they are a no show.  My rule of thumb is, if they have web or phone cam photos on their portfolio they should pay.  With all the money they saved on using their web cam for their first photo shoot, they should pay for professionals to make it all better.

You're bang on BTW.  Some models on here do need to get rid of that crap their boyfriend shot with his instamatic and get some serious shots up there.  There's more than enough photographers with talent doing TFP so sort your selves out and get with it.

And although I dont watch the show good luck to your girl!!

Darren Green wrote:
And to the models, photographers trying to break into the business may not be able to pay you $500 for a half day as they need to build their book too, but believe it or not find a photographer that's dedicated and that TFP shoot you did last weekend not only gives you good shots for your portfolio but when he does get that decent magazine commission hes going to remember the models that helped him get there.

Love and respect, Darren.

Finding a photographer who is dedicated to giving good tfcd images is not so easy.
even after negotating and agreeing on a number of edited images I still get the useless cd of 300 raw images.
And yup I'm lazy, I don't even bother to put clothes on for my shoots any more.