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Alt. Girls/Tattoos = Porn!
Why can't us Alterntive looking girls get more offers/websites than stuff like Suicide Girls and such. Just cause we have tattoos doesn't mean all we want o do is get naked and touch myself! I myself am I tattooed gal, I plan on getting a lot more but I fear as though the industry doesn't take girls like us seriously. I want to get as far as I can doing this, with out lowering my standards. -What do you guys think about this? -Know of any sites like Suicide Girls that is less revealing(lingrie)? -Know of any good tattoo cover up(make up)? thanks  Mar 24 06 05:58 pm Link I have a huge tattoo on my stomache and I just shot for playboy I also do adult work too but I've shot for three repuitable mens mags tattooed and all Mar 24 06 06:03 pm Link I am one of those photographers who prefers to shoot heavily tattooed girls either nude or close to it. That's because I'm interested in the art of the ink itself, and I don't want clothing cutting it off or distracting from it. Because the art is on your skin, and that's what I'm interested in, I want to see the skin. It's not prurient, at least on my part. Mar 24 06 06:04 pm Link I guess because cute and pretty girls with tattoos are just so hot when they touch themself...  Oh, btw, I looked at your port, and I think that you have a very interesting face, lovely. UdoR Heavily tattooed Mar 24 06 06:04 pm Link jeskavardinski wrote: I honestly wondered about the PB thing, then I saw the mention of it in your profile and noticed the theme. Mar 24 06 06:06 pm Link jeskavardinski wrote: Try working for lipservice they're always Mar 24 06 06:08 pm Link What style of modeling do you want to do? Why do you feel you have to fit in? As Udo said, you have a very nice face and I personally like the rest of you as far as photographs go. I think you look more like a rock-a-billy chick with the red in your hair and the piercing, which is fine with me. Donât change to please other people, change because you want to. Come to Seattle, you donât have to take your clothes off to shoot with me. Mar 24 06 06:10 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Yes and maybe one day you"ll get to shoot it (NOT LIKELY) Mar 24 06 06:14 pm Link jeskavardinski wrote: I wouldn`t waste my time shooting for PB -chuckle- Mar 24 06 06:16 pm Link Well for one... Last I checked Suicide Girls isn't porn but I understand what you're saying. SG, in fact, is the least porn of the sites out there. Frankly I don't think the complaint is about "Why can't alt girls get work other than nude pin-ups?" ... Because... I don't really know of ANY sites that even AREN'T for alt girls like that either. Who really wants to pay to look at a girl in lingerie? Especially when you can get the Victoria's Secret catalogue for free. Or, if you know about sites like MM and OMP, you can just browse photog's and model's ports and get that for free. A full pinup, nude photoset is less easy to come by. Hence why people pay for those sites. You probably won't find a site like that. And if you did, I doubt they'd pay you much because... well gee... SG hardly gives the girls a penny for full rights to their photosets. And seeing how the sets are getting more and more professional, I think the girls are on it now just for the "presteige", because they probably have to fork over that taxed $300 to their photographer. To make money off of your look you either need to find the right photographers, or see about getting in with a clothing company or magazine. (Astrid Clothing, Hot Topic, Lip Service, you know... the trendy stuff most alts complaing about all the time?! As well as Gothic Beauty, Red Scream, etc etc) IMO it's a little more impressive to say you've worked for a good clothing company or magazine, than a website that just about anyone can get on. Mar 24 06 06:20 pm Link Non SG style shot I did of a heavily inked SG model I worked with about 4 years ago.all 18+ http://www.apexphotography.com/evie/ima … 76352a.jpg http://www.apexphotography.com/evie/ima … 76384a.jpg http://www.apexphotography.com/evie/ima … 76381a.jpg Mar 24 06 06:25 pm Link Whoa, Glamour! Please post links, not the actual photos. (Just remove the IMG tags.) Thank you.  Mar 24 06 06:26 pm Link Sita Mae Edwards wrote: I did that right after I posted them,lol. Ooopsie.I blame the lack off coffee. I have to go to work in a few,too. Mar 24 06 06:27 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Hey, you're speedy. Thank you! Mar 24 06 06:28 pm Link Becky Threat wrote: You talk like getting naked and touching yourself in images is a bad thing. What's up with that? Mar 24 06 06:35 pm Link Becky Threat wrote: Hey, try to send in some stuff to Skin&Ink and those bodymod magazines. You can do cover and poster, get paid and you get to keep your clothes on! (As long as the tattoos can be seen) Mar 24 06 06:46 pm Link Becky Threat wrote: is it the nudity that bothers you about SG or the strong explicit sexual themes? I'm not sure most lingrie in better on the sexual themes. tat girls can do art nudes often enough but there is little money in that to go around. Mar 24 06 07:00 pm Link jeskavardinski wrote: And you're blonde and very tan, like the majority of the playboy types, so having a large tattoo doesn't mean you're more like the pasty goth girl type, you're a playboy type WITH a tattoo. Mar 24 06 07:09 pm Link First of all there is not a lot if any alternative pay site that do not require skin. I am not into the alternate/Goth scene or industry but I do enjoy shooting this genre. This is a niche market and only so much available to you. Tattoos and various piercing carry rebellious and sexual connotations with them. Some piercings are explicitly done to enhance sexual pleasure, hence, the area of porn (hard and soft), exotic, dominatrix, and bondage. There is also glamour and it is no different then any other glamour. Then there is art: Political and social statements or nude work. Tattoos are the artwork and the body is the canvas. The image is about the artwork. Lastly there is fashion and commercial. You should market to those who view you as the target audience, clothing and jewelry designers and those who promote the lifestyle. Unfortunately I think, industry standards still apply somewhat as far as minimum height and proportional stats for the most part from what I have seen. Mar 25 06 01:38 pm Link "alternative" means just that - outside the mainstream. sadly, the mainstream is where the $$ is. this is true in any alt field, e.g. music, art, writing, architecture, etc. eventually, someone with enough talent changes the whole paradigm, and gets paid. then *that* becomes mainstream, more or less, and the alt has to move further away. the best place to be is just after the paradigm shift, when the style or look is accepted but before it becomes common or outdated (and before cashing in looks like selling out). dunno when exactly that is, though. maybe that time is past, or just around the corner, or right now, or ?? Mar 25 06 03:17 pm Link Why? Because you immediately fall in a niche market. Mar 25 06 03:49 pm Link mr. wizard wrote: Meh, not necessarily. I mean, there are heavily inked mainstream models and that's not to say that it's changed the mainstream as a whole. They're the exception but they haven't changed the rule. Mar 25 06 04:27 pm Link For any models with an alternative look I'd love to shoot with you. My work is varied, and I actaul prefer models with an alternative look becuase I am much more interested in their personalities that show up in the image. I truly enjoy getting the personality and the look to mix in a photograph. I am in the NYC Metro Area... and my main theme is 'woman' .. which incluides all women. The more exotic and alternative the better the shoots usually. Let me know. -Marek Mar 25 06 06:55 pm Link I'm sad to say that there isn't a whole lot you can do. Some of the popular alt. models have started doing mainstream to get more work/money. Also, fetish and bondage pays well and for most of it you can keep your clothes on. The girls who have gotten where they are today (the popular alt. models) have done porn (I'm talking soft/hardcore/fetish movies, topless photos, etc.). It's unfortunate. The ones I do know of that have not done porn and have gotten somewhere are Josie Nutter and Ugly Shyla. However Shyla makes money because she has a business selling her art/dolls and only models as a side thing. She's also a suspension artist I believe. Josie Nutter, has a degree of her own and has a well paying day job. Oh and Audra I think has done some adult work but she does have a day job and pays for all the fetish outfits she models. Masuimi max and Dita Von Teese have done some porn as well. And yes Lip Service does need models. But I know Courtney Cruz and I think She Devil Vixxxen or Jade Starr (or whatever she's calling herself now) have done topless work (atleast) and they have modeled for Lip Service. (Lippy likes models who are size medium though). Your best bet would be fashion, definitely. But don't really go for the fetish thing, there are too many models trying for that market and I hear they don't really pay any way. I know Jami Deadly is doing well because she is a Monroe impersonator (though I know she has done topless work). She does burlesque as well. So what I'm getting at is, I think you either need to look like you could be a regular model (to have a better chance at doing the clothed work) and you may have a shot at it or you need something on the side, like a burlesque troup, your own clothing line, a band.. I'm just taking examples from models who have/have not done adult work as well as alt. modeling. Oh you may want to check out Io, she's a new alt. model and she's really going places and hasn't done any adult work and doens't plan to. However, she is in college for a degree. Tattoo magazines (as everyone mentioned) are also a good bet. Mar 25 06 07:18 pm Link Aurora wrote: Unfortunately? Why? If you'd wanted to be 'Mainstream' you would not have chosen to tatoo yourself. Mar 25 06 07:24 pm Link Hamza wrote: And what sucks about that is, the models who have been in it for years have been trying to milk money out of the scene every opportunity they get, but there are always new younger models that are willing to do the same stuff for free. Mar 25 06 07:31 pm Link Hamza wrote: Nerie wrote: That isn't going to happen! LMAO Mar 25 06 07:36 pm Link Im an extremely tattooed and piereced model who has been doing this for 5 years. Ive never had to hold a regular job, since my shoots have always paid my bills. One fetish shoot would pay all my bills for one month. But thats the thing. Most alternative models (and obviously there are exceptions like stated above) dont mind getting nude in front of the camera. Ive done adult movies, stills, you name it...but I do it because I love my ink and I love showing it off even more wether its for a clothing desiger or 'touching myself'. I think women who are heavily modified are beautiful, and I like being a part of that. A majority of my work is TFP/CD, but the money is in the sexual aspect of my work. Just keep looking. Its very rare that you find a shoot thats non nude where you get paid. Thats just the way it is. Apr 01 06 12:30 pm Link sheeeesh ... and here I am, actively looking for inked people ... just to shoot their ink. Apr 01 06 12:54 pm Link it seems thats the only offers alot of alternative/gothic models get. Since sg is now going downhill there have been hundreds of alternaporn sites popping up all over the net. There are some sites that are getting started that are looking for gothic/alternative models to do sets but not nudes at least they are finally coming out with sites that doesnt involve porn. Apr 01 06 01:48 pm Link It's not just tattooed girls-- most online photographers just want nekkid chicks these days. (I like to work with the ones willing to go outside that box. ) You could potentially approach photographers with the idea of submitting photos to Tattoo Savage? Apr 02 06 05:50 am Link Josie Nutter wrote: That's because Nude is the New Black. Haven't you heard? Apr 02 06 08:54 am Link I'm a Suicidegirl and I don't see the problem. I still get some "mainstream" work. Not much, because I actively chose to modify myself, but some. I like the shoots I've done for SG. None show my "bits", and I'm not "touching myself", as you put it. I've got an extensive fashion modelling background and many of the photographers I work with know this and like that. Again, nothing wrong with SG. And it's certainly not porn! Apr 03 06 06:49 am Link I used to really admire suicide girls. I just feel like a lot of the site has turned into softcore porn and almost anyone can get on that site. I wasn't saying every suicide girl touched themselves and show everything! Neither am I saying that every girl isn't that attractive on the site ethier. Apr 10 06 11:36 pm Link Acid-Candy wrote: word. Apr 10 06 11:37 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: How about the girls of Model Mayhem??????? Some one nees to contact Playboy and tell them about MM Apr 11 06 09:44 am Link I don't know about other photographers, but a very good friend of mine is an amazing fine art nude photographer, and he works with a model named Gretchen who is covered in tattoos. Whenever you see pictures of Gretchen though, she's covered in something...gold paint, flour, whatever. Matt's told me he thinks Gretchen's tattoos are awesome, and so I asked him why he covers them up if he thinks they're so cool. Apparently he doesn't want to display someone else's work as the focus of his images, because with heavy tattoos they become the focal point as opposed to the model's pose or her face or the clothes or whatever. I don't know about other photographers, but at least for him that's the reasoning behind it. I still think with a few tattoos you can get decent work (one of the models on Project Runway had a tattoo on her arm and no one seemed to care), but once you get too many it starts to take the focus away from you and put it on your ink. Apr 11 06 10:04 am Link You might be too young to remember, but it was not that long ago that tattoos were not very common. It was rare to come across *any* woman that had a tattoo, and it was plain unheard of for a model to get a tattoo. When I first started shooting "alternative" type models, I was the only person I knew doing it. The modelling industry is still geared toward the mainstream which still prefers no tattoos. Non mainstream industries - porn and fine art were the first to embrace body modified models, and still make up most of the outlets for this. Generally, by getting tattoos/piercings/scarification or whatever, you were making a conscious choice *not* to work in the mainstream. Where I live, even non caucasian models have a hard time getting signed to agencies, because their look is "not commercially viable" here (a friend of mine is a beautiful Polynesian girl with that problem). As tattoos, etc. have become more mainstream, more work has appeared, but remember, it was not that long ago that the world was scandalized that "Angelina Jolie has a tattoo"! Apr 11 06 11:49 am Link Melvin Moten Jr wrote: Apr 11 06 04:42 pm Link Like one lady said to me when I asked if she had tatoos, she said no! Then she said "Would you put a bumper sticker on a Mercedes????" In general, the more tatoos a woman has the less respect she gets from men who now consider her less sexy and not as good a gal....., in other words the more tatoos you have, the few respectable options you will have in life. Albert..... Apr 11 06 04:51 pm Link |
