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I dont get Goth!
I personally really like working with Goth models. Mar 22 06 04:00 pm Link AMartin wrote: Sounds about right to me lol Mar 22 06 04:12 pm Link I guess I could be called goth, though my style is kind of a mix of goth and punk (or so I've been told). I hate dressing the same way as everybody else, I'm just a non-conformist. I miss my hot pink/blue/purple/green/yellow/orange/blood red/light blue hair. My school would probably flip if I dyed it again  At least they don't really seem to mind the way I dress! I've seen emo guys with jeans so tight it made me wonder how they could walk, let alone breathe. Myself and my co-workers tried very hard not to laugh outright at the emos. Personally, I think that the emo thing is basically kids who WANT to be punk, but don't have the guts for it. I don't say fauxhawk, I say "emohawk". If you want a 'hawk, get a real one...that's only my opinion though. I myself am not willing to get mine back, I don't want to go through the aggravation of letting hair grow out again  Mar 22 06 04:42 pm Link Sure there's a market. But its not really supported by outsiders. In Toronto there are tons of events/fashion shows/bands/costume parties, etc. But they are generally promoted by, to and for the general gothic community. Thats the appeal, its sort of a take on the rave scene in the sense that its sapposed to be underground. Its not of course, but most like to think its elite. My personal prediction, judging by the recent runways in Milan and Paris, and the new Loreal adds, I think goth will make a huge mainstream comeback this summer. And the market will be more booming than it was when Pink was the everything colour a few years back. So to answer your question, should you invest in it? Well it couldn't hurt. Shoot a few Gothy or even Fetishy models while you're at it.(doubt the two will be decifered in the mainstream) and who knows, when its hot you'll have a few to show that you've done it before. Mar 22 06 09:39 pm Link theda wrote: Hot Topic is a company that has 800-900 stores. and produces billions of dollars a year making money off wanna-be "GOTH" kids. I would hardly call it a "mid-sized chain", just because you can't buy it at wal-mart. There are other stores in larger cities such as chicago that carry it as well. But if you are from a small town you may not see that much of the market. Mar 22 06 10:47 pm Link i like some of the goth and some the fetish. i have seen some foxes on here wearing fetish. but then i've seen some stuff that is too extreme in gothic and fetish. Mar 22 06 10:59 pm Link Terrace wrote: Um, I live in NYC. If there's a market for it, it's here. If there was such a market for the mag, you'd think they'd pay for their content, which, naturally, they don't. The mag has only had 20 issues in over 5 years, so it's more like quarterly, not bi-monthly. According to the Hot Topic website, you're also stretching the number of stores they have. But then again, I've never seen a Hot Topic either. Mar 22 06 11:41 pm Link My mom is Gothic has been off and on sense she had me! she has no eye brows so people look at her funny she has been called a Satanist, witch, vampire, Marilyn Munster of the Munsters, Morticia Adams of the Adams Family, Elvira, Marilyn Manson, dead woman, druggie, crack whore, slut, alls kinds of stuff and I have even heard people sing the theme songs when she walks by them lol she smiles and laughs, alls it is⦠its her favorite fashion! Sheâs none of those! well she is a MM ââ?Marilyn Manson fan but sheâs a cool crazy mom! All my friends love her! People⦠all they do is stereo type her! but she is the exact opposite! She just feels normal being different, her words âwhy look like everyone else?, im me⦠except me or hate me, I really donât care!â? so not every Goth is bad! You donât have to own a farm and ride a horse to wear western clothing and you donât have to be in a gang or be an NBA start to wear sports clothing! Yes there is a market for Goth Clothing! or my mom wouldnt be interested in buying it! so its for all ages!, she will be 38 and looks 19-21! so you tell me!?! lol Anilah Apr 06 06 03:22 am Link People think im an Emo... I get ragged on all the time from all the different groups of kids at school, I have been tripped, told to kill myself, called a fag, my books knocked out of my hands!, im not Emo lol im considered an "in-scene chic" a "trend setter" thats all we are! Emo is the music, the helmet heads? ita all part of the package, its the look! its everyones fad!, its part of their fashion statement! Anilah Apr 06 06 03:32 am Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Not only did Johnny Cash invent Goth, but Hank Williams Sr. invented Emo. Apr 06 06 06:20 am Link Theres still a huge market in the UK. However, there is also a huge surplus of both photographers and models active in this genre, so your chances of breaking into the UK market unless very well established are pretty minimal. Doing it ' if theres money in it', is unlikley to motivate the originality glands enough to excite a picture editor.. Apr 06 06 06:23 am Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Johnny Cash was the goth of HIS time. Apr 06 06 06:33 am Link I think you can put goth and fetish in the same category. Here's some publications I know of. Marquis Skintwo Gothic Beauty GothMagazine I do think there's a market for it. There is also Wicked Talent (ALTERNATIVE GOTHIC MODELING FASHION TALENT). Hot Topic is not goth........It's a cheap imitation....... Apr 06 06 06:53 am Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Just cuz he wore a lot of black... no. But! Johnny Cash did "go goth" for a little bit when he covered Trent Reznor's Nine Inch Nails song "Hurt." NIN is much likely to be accepted as Goth than Cash... but when Cash did the song (better than Reznor, I might say) the Gothies sunk their teeth in. Apr 06 06 07:06 am Link Yes yes there is an actual desire for gothic photography for money. There are alot of clothing lines that need models, there are publications some hard some soft (in ohter words some youc an hold some you have to look at online and go OOOOO pretty) they arent as popular as say oh i dunno GQ or anything because "Goth" is not mainstream and not widely accepted by the fashion world as well as general society itself. Its a tiny thing a tiny subculture...but its one that is larger than you can imagine. Apr 07 06 12:43 am Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Then why aren't you in law school or medical school? Apr 07 06 12:48 am Link Wait a minute....emo = early 80's+Im a pussy+i never get any Just my personal thoughts lol. Ive actually deciphered some of the emo junk out there mainly the mianstream one i had bashed into my skull like staind's its been a while...i wont post it here though because of its nature but yeah. Apr 07 06 01:01 am Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Johnny Cash was goth as hell! Apr 07 06 11:28 am Link theda wrote: Gothic Beauty is carried at Borders too! Apr 07 06 11:32 am Link Bryan Regan Photography wrote: Hot Topic is not about Goth... It's about rock music in general... We carry emo and punk equally... Apr 07 06 12:59 pm Link SimonL wrote: Agreed, I think it's the same in the states, theres a huge so called 'underground' scene (which is actually pretty mainsteam now) but there are soooooo many awful models that think they can make it because they can dye their hair and get some tattoos and piercing. Apr 07 06 05:12 pm Link Terrace wrote: Oh no, no, no my dear. This woman has Apnea beat by a long shot... Apr 07 06 05:22 pm Link Apr 07 06 07:42 pm Link Covering 'Hurt' by NIN and 'Personal Jesus' by Depeche Mode does not make you goth. I have covered Siouxsie, Joy Division, etc. and I'm not Goth either. May 27 06 12:07 am Link LouisGuidone wrote: If you can't see the groundwork of goth being laid in Johnny Cash's music and image, you're not looking with an open mind. Every musical movement has its roots in something that came before it. May 27 06 11:03 am Link Er.. okay, what the hell *is* goth? I've gotten the tag on my work and I don't really get it. I think of goth and I automatically equate it to a trampy looking vampire glam posing on a tombstone. It just has that visual meaning to me. So when people say my work is very "gothic" I get perplexed. I think there is an industrial and hard quality to it, but does it qualify as "goth"? Did I accidentally become a goth photographer, without even knowing what it was? FFS, I'm 30.. not exactly over the hill, you'd think I'd be more hip to these things. The explanation of emo was perfect, and I now get that whole thing. I see those kids running around the mall occasionally and they just kinda reminded me of cracked out anime characters. Meh.. -G May 27 06 11:19 am Link Garald Todd wrote: I think that's because people seem to use "goth" to mean so many things. Dark. Scary. Elegant. May 27 06 11:47 am Link i think a lot of people think goth=fetish=nudity=porn, and thus if you are interested in any form of subculture, you must pretty much want to be a pornstar. i dont think appreciating punk/rockabilly/goth/alternative/whatever means getting naked. i would love to see people in great, artsy settings, being fully clothed, respresenting different genres of fashion, music and culture. and as it has already been said, i think the emo/goth definitions were pretty good emo is "i hate my life" goth is "i hate the world" also, for a very sarcastic but dead-on definition of emo (in my opinion, lol) visit http://www.emosong.ytmnd.com not for the easily offended by stereotypes of emo, or fans of the music. May 27 06 11:52 am Link baelie wrote: Ahahaha!!!! May 27 06 12:37 pm Link Elegy is produced in Europe (France) and is roughly the equivalent of Rolling Stone magazine. May 27 06 01:53 pm Link Garald Todd wrote: no problem... May 27 06 02:03 pm Link Asking if Johnny Cash was goth, or anything else is improperly limiting... Johnny Cash was only one thing. He was Johnny Cash. May 27 06 07:02 pm Link Melvin Moten Jr wrote: With a statement like that I think further explanation is owed. I'll buy into it if the argument is compelling enough, but on the surface equating Johnny Cash and Goth is stretching it a bit. The man in black did travel on the dark side, but not due to being trendy as much as goth is today. May 27 06 08:07 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: part 1 Yes May 27 06 08:14 pm Link I don't get goth either. But in this world, there are tons of things I don't get. Personally, I know how u feel on the inside effects your personal style. So I guess people who are goth feel dark and gray. May 27 06 08:20 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: If you want to hear what gothic country sounds like, look up 16 Horsepower. May 27 06 08:40 pm Link Heck I don't get what I am doing much less what anyone else does lol This thread got my attention because I will be heading to Puerto Rico in a few and will be there to scout and take pictures. The female models that have contacted me are all goth or goth influenced. I find that really odd.....especially since wearing black in a tropical island is pretty hot. So far there are 6......and counting. I love the differences in people and markets :-) May 27 06 08:51 pm Link Johnny Cash wasnt Goth. Fetish ties in with Goth but no, its not the same. Punk and Goth tie in but they're not the same either. There are goth magazines but most of them are low budget because people arent in this subculture to make a buck--at least most of us arent. We're here to live and be happy. You could search google for gothic magazines. Here are some to name a few: Gothic Beauty Magazine and Drop Dead Magazine--Drop Dead is a Deathrock mag but goth was dirived from Deathrock so its close enough. May 27 06 08:59 pm Link I did a non-Goth shoot with a - sorry to stereotype but - short, pasty-white Goth girl. She came in dressed in all black. I wanted to say, "Hey, there's a new thing, have you heard about it, it's called colors!" I didn't. The shoot went well, actually, and she accepted my offer of some of the colorful outfits. She said her Mom would love to see her in them. I thought of saying "So would the rest of us." But I didn't. May 27 06 09:28 pm Link I get (or got) Goth, what I don't get are Moths (mod goths) and Gunks (goth punks). May 27 06 09:31 pm Link |
