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being late....why is it okay?
Since I started this modeling thing over a month ago I have only been late to one thing and that was because, being from San Diego, I didn't know about noon L.A. traffic (Is there traffic at every hour of the day there?!!!). But I called the photographer about every 20 mins to update him. I felt so bad but not calling is not an option no matter how embarrassed you might be (plus, showing up hours late has got to be more embarrassing than telling the person on the phone before his/her patience has been tried). I can't believe people do that! Whatever other cultures do, it is rude to leave someone hanging like that. Think about a time you had plans and someone was late and didn't inform you and possibly never showed up at all. That is one of the most frustrating things... It makes you feel unimportant. On a professional level, even if feelings aren't hurt, a wallet might be. Besides, that person could have made other plans with another model/photographer. Conclusion: if you're going to be late, call. There is no excuse! Now on an unprofessional level, I'm late to everything, he he, oops. I warn people about this and still call as I am running late because I don't want to be disrespectful but I tend to get distracted (ADD?). Obviously, though, since I can be on time to jobs, I am capable. It's not that I view meeting up with friends/family as less important but one can generally tell, by the way the other person proposes a meeting, on how important promptness is. But a job is one of those things where one should assume that being late is probable cause for a beheading  PMar 19 06 03:26 pm Link Just say no to TFP Mar 19 06 03:38 pm Link Chicks take forever to get ready and the "late" thing isn't isolated to just the modeling profession. Women have kept men waiting for centuries as they powder their noses. Give the models a different time to be there, so if you want to start shooting at 8 tell them the shoot starts at 7, that way they get there on time and you're not sitting around waiting for them. Mar 19 06 03:45 pm Link christie esparza wrote: Huh????? Mar 19 06 03:53 pm Link It's not ok. People value their time. Being late shows disrespect. If you are running late, call and let the other person know, in any situation. Mar 19 06 03:59 pm Link tarrice love wrote: Comments in a public forum that either stereotype or derogate members of "protected" groups - women, ethnic minorities, the handicapped, etc. - can engender lawsuits. MM has a right and an obligation to steer the threads clear of such dangers. Your question, in the prior thread, was not a "dumb" one, but it was inflammatory, or at least borderline. It would have produced both anecdotal support and opposition...much heat, little light, most likely. Suppose you wanted to discuss whether America should euthanize elderly people or the retarded? OK, those are extreme examples, but it's the extreme examples that highlight the principle. Not all subjects are equal. Mar 19 06 04:53 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: LMAO I like that one Mar 19 06 05:18 pm Link tarrice love wrote: On your P.S. - you're deluded if you can assign lateness to ... well, I'll leave it up to you to figure out Mar 19 06 05:36 pm Link I just have one very important thing to say and we can all act like this is a new thread but we know what is on your mind because you posted it in the previous thread.. What is important is that if you want respect you have to give it..So maybe your problem is that you have no respect for people in general..but especially minorites and being one yourself I thought you would want to empower yourself but maybe you still need to soul search.. I just have to let you know that your previous thread was insulting and derogatory! all jokes aside.. You were serious and what you were and are insinuating is not cool..I personally don't think it was very professional and that is all I have to say about limited mental facilities.. Any yes there are really dumb questions FYI Alisun Mar 19 06 05:46 pm Link I've only been late once and is mostly because of traffic and couldn't find the place. MAp quest sucks by the way! But I kept on calling the photographer and told them that I was stuck i n traffic and theres was nothing that I could do. Things Happens. Nobody is perfect. Mar 19 06 05:49 pm Link William Coleman wrote: You are right about that! The lack of logical thinking astounds me! I can't stand it when people stereotype others based on physical differences. Every single person is physically different. Even clones, or the closest twins are different! What brings us together is this; We have the ability of cognitive thinking where we can understand and love each other. We feel similar emotions when things happen to us. We may appear to look different on the outside, but inside where the soul is ... we are all one people! Mar 19 06 06:06 pm Link Is the "problem" of tardiness more about ones own selfishness or is it a life and death situation? Being late for ones own funeral would be a blessing! (At least for me, I was supposed to be dead years ago! LOL) It is in our legal justice systems and medical fields where a matter of seconds can have a major effect on ones life. That is why we need to consider the consequences of being late under those circumstances. As I pointed out before, it is imperative that people are on time or they suffer financial loss or even jail time in the California traffic court system. Now if a model or photographer were to think of it as a loss of money every time they are late, then maybe they would be on time? TFP is a problem! You have more to gain but less to lose by doing it. Mar 19 06 06:23 pm Link Intensity wrote: Map Quest does SUCK! I've used it and found it to be worng more times than right. Mar 19 06 06:25 pm Link OK, I'm done! But before I go, here is a quote from a wise dog!  Jack D Trute wrote: Mar 19 06 06:27 pm Link I don't think being late is "ok" but, stuff happens. Mar 20 06 08:30 am Link To answer the initial question of this topic, it is NOT okay or acceptable for anyone to be late. Sometimes it's worth it to tolerate it though, and sometimes circumstances for being late are unavoidable. You agree on a set time for a reason. If I'm ever going to be late for something, I'll call the other person to let them know why I won't be on time. It's the proper, respectful and appropriate thing to do. Bondo Mar 20 06 09:21 am Link D to the ITTO, Ditto. Mar 20 06 09:23 am Link Be happy they show up at all!!! No, I´m just joking. If there is a time set one should show up or at least call if there is a delay. I´m a real freak about it. Once I actually started crying cause my bus was too late for a meeting. Beeing more than just in time is a damn spleen of mine. Yesterday I scared the hell out of a photographer when I sended him an SMS to tell him I´m on the way (I allways do that so they know I´m really coming now and sometimes send them a not how to recognize me whan I don´t have my make up done already). He right stopped on the highway thinking I had cancelled until he had readed the SMS *lol*. Maybe I shouldn´t write the "I´m on my way and it seems my train will be on time. I wear a grey coat"-SMSes anymore :-D Mar 20 06 09:31 am Link If I'm there on time, and the photographer is there on time (especially if the studio is being rented) then the model should be on time as well. I mean I live in NY and I know s**t happens with Traffic and/or Train delays so 10 - 15 minutes is ok (and you sure as hell better call and say that you're going to be late). Me as a MUA...if you're not there in a timely fashion I either A) am not in a good mood B) leave cos if you're late (and time is money) then you're not worth my time Mar 20 06 09:35 am Link I agree that most models are not the most punctual people in the world. HOWEVER in my 6 months of modeling I have NEVER been late and I always give at least 48 hours notice for cancellation if needed. I give the respect that I expect to receive from photographers. Mar 20 06 09:37 am Link Jack D Trute wrote: If you are going to be late, just call. In the era of cellphones there is no reason not to and it shows that you respect someones else's time. Mar 20 06 09:39 am Link First day in acting class, I still recall the instructor said: "...15 minutes early is on time, on time is late. And there is no reasonable excuse to be late unless you are dead." I still stick by it today. Mar 20 06 12:45 pm Link I really frown on a shoot starting late- it usually puts a bad spin on the overall shoot. I usually wait 15 minutes and move on if I do not get a phone call as to why a model is late. For larger shoots- I try to have the model picked up to avoid delay. Mar 20 06 12:53 pm Link TIM RICKS PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: It's not "ok" to be late, but it happens. It takes a hell of a lot to make me frown ... those who know me know it! LOL So 5 or 10 minutes late does not bother me at all, especially if we are in contact with each other by cell phone. You just need to learn to deal with it in the most positive way possible. I treat everyone well, but I always have a back up plan for no shows. Even if someone is late, I put someone else in front of my camera to warm up the set or I find something else productive to do. It is a gentle reminder that we all can be replaced. Mar 20 06 01:16 pm Link I always book females whatever their job is at LEAST an hour earlier than everyone else on the set. That way they get to the location on time. If a guy is late, I just send him home and NEVER hire them again. I have Freelanced for 20 years, if I am late, I NEVER work for that client again. It's that cut and dry. No excuses. Women are however excused only because they are women and us men need to adjust to it. No big deal, women are always late, what's the problem??? Mar 20 06 01:26 pm Link Some great ideas here! So far we have had positive input to helping motivate people to be on time to shoots like; (1) Get the model invested in the shoot. If money is being exchanged, she or he is more likely to show up on time! It's a serious loss if you show up late to court or the hospital. So if "serious loss" of money, freedom or life is involved, we show up!  (2) Be sure you have exchanged cell phone numbers AND that directions are CLEAR. I have a minutes plan that allows for up 5,000 minutes and long distance so I don't care if I talk to someone while giving them directions. (3) Have alternative models, or things to do available to you so that you are not bored (which contributes to mad moods.) I like to have several people around so that I can put someone in right away to check lighting, warm up, etc. ... before the model gets there. Then when the model arrives, they jump in! It works that way in Hollywood! If you can find something else to occupy your time, you'll feel better. (4) Car pool or make arrangements for transportation. This is a good thing to do, especially when it's critical to have everyone there about the same time. Traffic becomes less of an "poor" excuse when we are together in it! LOL Any other positive tips to help people be on time? Oh .. and "NO!" women and blacks are NOT always late! Anyone who says that is just being illogical. All I can say to anyone who says that is "Get some common sense!" For those who do "TFP" and complain ... all I can say is what does the photographer and model have to lose? It's part of the risk you take in doing "TFP" ... it's better to pay the models! Mar 20 06 01:30 pm Link |
