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I agree with the OP! Mar 07 06 05:38 pm Link I say I don't shoot TFP, because then that's ALL models will want. If they KNOW you shoot for free, why would they want to pay? I'll wager that 99% or more of EVERY photographer does TFP selectively, whether they advertise it or not. But it's not in my habit anymore to offer TFP at all. On the reverse, I see models all the time who are "Pay Only" that email me wanting to shoot for free. Same deal. No harm in it. Mar 07 06 05:41 pm Link KARLOS MATTHEWS wrote: No need to get defensive, I was generalizing. Mar 07 06 05:43 pm Link Sure this is a part time gig, I have a full time job that pays some of the bills...any hotties want some tfp? I'm a dream to work with...asian models are my specialty!! Mar 07 06 05:48 pm Link Dreams To Keep wrote: Aww, cmon, why we have to adorn our words? Why can't we tell the utterly truth? Mar 07 06 05:50 pm Link RoninGarou wrote: Making the girls you turn down cry!!!! LOL Mar 07 06 05:55 pm Link Kristin Anne wrote: I wasn't kristen LOL much love to you hun Mar 07 06 05:56 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Rich Mohr wrote: Rent maybe ! Everytime the subject of TFP/CD comes up you are always crying about rent. Maybe if you'd spend more time marketing yourself instead of being here in the forums you'd make enough money to stop crying. Mar 07 06 06:04 pm Link Robert Watson wrote: Nothing wrong with that dude... Mar 07 06 06:12 pm Link "I don't think there's anything wrong with this. If you make it seem like you're open to all TFP opportunities, when the "less desirable" contact you and you know you have no need for their look, you have to explain why "I do TFP, just not for you." Oh, yeah. This nails it and is just the end of the whole issue imo. ...sorry, can't seem to get the whole quote in here, but it was said by a very wise stylist at the beginning of the thread! Mar 07 06 06:15 pm Link Diana I can give you some sweet tfp(grins)... Mar 07 06 06:54 pm Link Dreams To Keep wrote: So whats the answer- lets just all lie to each other- or assume everything in the port that is written is not true? No means Yes- dont we get in trouble for thinking that in the 1st place? Hmmm Mar 07 06 07:01 pm Link I used to offer TFP and didn't have a problem with it, but it started to conflict with my limited time. I'll collaborate from time to time, but if it's a TFP type shoot with a professional I want more from the time spent and will do it as a stock photography session instead. This way, the model gets professional pictures with the potential of earning money from them along the way. The stock program works great and keeps the great pictures flowing. Since I make a good amount of money doing portfolio photography and talent head shots, I don't want any conflicts of interests or don't want a situation where I compete with myself. That's why I limit collaborations and stock sessions to established professionals. Sometimes what may seems to be a contradiction usually amounts to some complexity involved. This business is always complex. Mar 07 06 07:51 pm Link Yes, there are lots of average looking models willing to model for free. On the other hand, there are lots of unexperienced photographers willing to shoot for free. TFP doesn't cost any money, but FREE doesn't always mean good. We don't do TFP, because it just isn't worth our time. On an occasional basis we do test with agency models - and still charge a discounted fee but that's different. If a model is serious about this business you always hire a professional photographer and not a guy who bought a digital camera last week. In general, TFP sessions will not move you as an aspiring model very far. Maybe you get a few useless pictures wearing terrible make-up with poor lighting. That's all. Do it right the first time and pay a pro. Spend around one thousand dollars on your comp card and go to see the best agency in town. If the modeling agency will say NO...well, find a better career...or buy a digital camera and become a photographer and offer the TFPs to another average looking model:-) Good luck! L.A. Image Studio Mar 07 06 08:46 pm Link Kristin Anne wrote: I think some refer to this as "false advertising" but don't quote me on that... Mar 07 06 08:57 pm Link I look at it like this: Sometimes I DO TFP, sometimes not. It all depends on what's going on at the time. What do you do, then? Do you go and change your profile everytime you decide that you're NOT doing TFP, then change it back when you DO? LOL Best thing is to either say that you're selective, or just say that you don't, and make up your mind on a case-by-case basis. If I'm trying to get a new piece of equipment, TFPs are off. WHEN I get that new piece of equipment, TFPs are on... but only until I change my mind again. lol This is not like the nudity question, though. Mar 07 06 10:41 pm Link VRG Photography wrote: I just don't mention it on my bio page. If a model contacts me, AND I have time AND I have a project for which they'd be suitable, I may do TFP, but I figure leaving it off makes more sense. Mar 08 06 12:33 am Link L A Image Studio wrote: I think you're missing the point, LOL. Mar 08 06 02:05 am Link FabioTovar wrote: The point to end the discussion any no one cares. Mar 08 06 04:28 am Link Personally, I prefer not to make lists of the things I will do and the things I won't do. The fact is, I just might do it (whatever it is) under the right circumstances. But I understand the intent of those who write "no TFP" or "no nudes" or "no TFP nudes". It really means they don't want to get inundated with those offers. I find the reality is that it means they are selective and they prefer to determine when they want to do those things and with whom. If there are photographers out there who only pick up a camera when they are getting paid, chances are they aren't worth being paid. The same thing applies to models. If models only get in front of a camera when they are getting paid..... Models and photographers both improve their craft by doing it. When you get paid, you are being paid to produce desired results, not to learn about your craft. Those who say they only do paid work (and really mean it) are satisfied with being as good as they will get and they are content in taking the same picture over and over as long they make money doing it. But anyone (model or photographer) who strives for constant improvement will do unpaid work for the sake of trying new things or to hone their skills. Stiff competition from your peers will make you want to do it, because I assure you if you are not doing it the other person certainly is. Jim Mar 08 06 11:29 am Link Chuck Holliday wrote: Yes-models do it too. Guilty. Mar 08 06 11:48 am Link Jose- JoseOnline wrote: or...if you say you don't and do it. Don't tell :-P Mar 08 06 11:53 am Link Jose- JoseOnline wrote: No, you didn't read it right - I didn't say lie. I said that the OP started thread as a statement about hypocracy - she was saying that models get slammed but photographers don't for not telling the truth. Mar 08 06 11:55 am Link Daniela V wrote: I feel it is best not to mention TFP at all, unless you're actively seeking it. TFP offers should be considered individually. If you don't generally do TFP, it's still worthwhile having photographers or models contact you. Then you can send them a polite reply declining the TFP and telling them what you are interested in. Mar 08 06 11:57 am Link Kristin Anne wrote: Two words - Quality Control..... Mar 08 06 11:57 am Link Where is a big rolling eye smiley when I need it? Mar 08 06 12:00 pm Link Lapis wrote:
Mar 08 06 12:07 pm Link LMAO way to flip the scipt kristin. all it is, is ego ego ego. leggo my ego. here's some rough analogies: girl: i have had sex on first dates. guy: let's go out, i want to have sex on our first date. girl: i don't do sex on first dates anymore. guy: you're such a liar! damn you! or girl: i have had sex on first dates. guy: let's go out, i want to have sex on our first date. girl: i'll go out with you, but i don't want to have sex with you. guy: you're such a liar! damn you! or client: i want to hire you to shoot my spring line. photographer: no thank you. i don't want to. client: what??? you're a photographer! you're obligated to shoot something i want to hire you for! liar! damn you! or how about: model: i have a bunch of nudes in my port, obviously i have shot nudes. but i don't want to anymore, so i say i won't. photographer: you have a bunch of nudes that you shot before ME, and i am envious that OTHER photographers have seen your goods or got to shoot you nude. shoot nudes with me. model: i don't want to. photographer: what? you're such a liar! damn you!  Mar 08 06 12:16 pm Link kristin i will TFP with no one but YOU.. but this time, let me order the food.. you like BAD THAI.. kristin anne is the BOMB ASH CHICK. Mar 08 06 12:17 pm Link oh, and id also shoot diana moffit again TFP as well thank you.. but who i really wanna shoot tfp is SEAN "ARMY" ARMENTA!!!! that is all.. Mar 08 06 12:19 pm Link Daniela V wrote: i feel ya, well i left mines up because i didnt think it matters anyways, i've only had one person from MM actually show up to a shoot they scheduled with me or show up on a decent time in 9 months, so i kinda dont really care how my profile looks right now, because its not going to change anybodys attitude or punctuality towards scheduling with me and showing up or on time, lol Mar 08 06 12:26 pm Link Kristin Anne wrote: It's only hypocracy if you say one thing while doing another. Since I don't, I guess I can slam models all I want...Right? Mar 08 06 12:32 pm Link I don't think there's anything wrong with this. If you make it seem like you're open to all TFP opportunities, when the "less desirable" contact you and you know you have no need for their look, you have to explain why "I do TFP, just not for you." This is indeed very true! I think I'm going to have to edit my profile. I get way too many offers for TFP with photographers whose look I am just not interested in. Finding a way to explain "I do TFP, just not with you" without offending the photographer is almost impossible! Mar 08 06 12:34 pm Link Kristin Anne wrote: So are photographers when they complain about it. Is generalization and boilerplate another "model's prerogative"? Mar 08 06 12:37 pm Link It's like a model saying they DO NOT DO NUDES yet once they meet the photographer they may trust him or her and allow for nude work to be done. I do TFP for those I have worked wth before because I trust them to be there and we can work at ease. What a model or photog write is fine with me and if they end up doing opposite of that is fine with me as well - sometimes creativity and artistry cannot be kept in check. Photography isn't just a business for me - maybe that's why I think this way......... Mar 08 06 12:38 pm Link do whatever trips your trigger! Mar 08 06 12:39 pm Link I think that the whole tfp thing has gotten so far out of hand that it needs to cease altogether. First and foremost it was meant for upcoming Photographers not models to get a lauch on there career by shooting a known model or actor. But now days its like every model that has taken a few good pictures thinks that from that day on they can help a photographer go to the next level by shooting with him or her. I may shoot a person for free if I have some free time and I want to do it, but that is usually because I like that person not because I feel as though they will make a difference in my career. Sure I will shoot Paris Hilton or Halle Barry for Free because I know if you send those photos to a popular magazine your chances have increased tremendously whereas if I just shot plain jane or joe schmo I wont make a true difference to anyone but them. No offense but before you criticise a photogpher for being a hypocryt please check out his over head and ask him is there anything I could do outside of looking into his lens to help him out. Mar 08 06 12:51 pm Link Melvin Moten Jr wrote: Dreams To Keep wrote: Kristin Anne wrote: KARLOS MATTHEWS wrote: Kristin Anne wrote: Perhaps this will clarify for you why I wrote the comment about "generalizing". Apparently, you weren't following. Mar 08 06 01:54 pm Link faithb wrote: rae01 wrote: That was me, and thank you! Mar 08 06 02:20 pm Link Sean Armenta wrote: Brian Diaz wrote: thank you dame wrote: LMAO. Dame, let's remember who recommended the bad thai in the first place. By the way, no nudes Mar 08 06 02:25 pm Link |
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