Forums > General Industry > Are under aged models allowed to be in underwear?

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Vladimir Londono

Posts: 62

Somerset, Kentucky, US

I've seen alot of peoples shots with underages models and the tabu if a bra strap is exposed and etc.
But then underwear advitisements? And I swear that on the first season of project runway they let one of the models that was 16 walk down the runway in a thong.
So does anyone know the restrictions? or is it just no sexual relations?

Mar 03 06 07:38 pm Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Vladimir Londono wrote:
I've seen alot of peoples shots with underages models and the tabu if a bra strap is exposed and etc.
But then underwear advitisements? And I swear that on the first season of project runway they let one of the models that was 16 walk down the runway in a thong.
So does anyone know the restrictions? or is it just no sexual relations?

Don't focus on the crotch. Making that area of the body the focal point (or subject, if nothing else is in the shot) is just asking for trouble.

Mar 03 06 07:39 pm Link

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WBV Artography

Posts: 1370

San Antonio, Texas, US

Personally I avoid it

Mar 03 06 09:28 pm Link

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Lens N Light

Posts: 16341

Bradford, Vermont, US

Oh, yes! Anyone can be in underwer at any age. In fact, I reccomend it.

Mar 03 06 09:49 pm Link

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Gabriel

Posts: 1654

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Katherine Heigl did a long scene in a thong bikini in her first movie. She was about 15.

Milla Jovovich did full frontal nudity in Return to The Blue Lagoon, at 15.

Victoria's Secret has used runway models in their mid-teens.

Mar 03 06 09:59 pm Link

Photographer

artist

Posts: 294

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Gabriel wrote:
Katherine Heigl did a long scene in a thong bikini in her first movie. She was about 15.

Milla Jovovich did full frontal nudity in Return to The Blue Lagoon, at 15.

Victoria's Secret has used runway models in their mid-teens.

this has been beaten to death in other threads.

Nudity, at any age, is *not* illegal, depending on location.  Family nudism is perfectly legal, etc.

It's *HOW* it's depicted, context, and intent.

Also, "sexually suggestive" comes in to play also.  The context of this site, and the depiction in some images, creates "issues" that would make me uncomfortable with images of or by minors here. 

But, it's been beaten in other threads.  Just look.

Scott
aka Bodyartist

Mar 03 06 10:08 pm Link

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Gabriel

Posts: 1654

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Bodyartist wrote:

this has been beaten to death in other threads.

Nudity, at any age, is *not* illegal, depending on location.  Family nudism is perfectly legal, etc.

It's *HOW* it's depicted, context, and intent.

Also, "sexually suggestive" comes in to play also.  The context of this site, and the depiction in some images, creates "issues" that would make me uncomfortable with images of or by minors here. 

But, it's been beaten in other threads.  Just look.

Scott
aka Bodyartist

I know that, and you know that, but...

Mar 03 06 10:10 pm Link

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William Coleman

Posts: 2371

New York, New York, US

Lens N Light wrote:
Oh, yes! Anyone can be in underwer at any age. In fact, I reccomend it.

I saw that comment coming.

Mar 03 06 10:13 pm Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

This is something...i dont know....i personally dont think teens should be in any type of modeling where sex could be provocted or push to create an  image...i am worried about  all these teens gettin persuaded by sex among themselves....so its like when they see a boy/girl their age acting and or modeling for roles are inappropriate under mine eyes...they think tht it is cool to be that way...teens and children are very impressionable...so no i dont thing teens should be shot in anything inappropriate for a child under 18 years old...just worried about our future

Mar 03 06 10:16 pm Link

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lll

Posts: 12295

Seattle, Washington, US

CristinaLex wrote:
...i am worried about  all these teens gettin persuaded by sex among themselves....

Teens don't need to be "persuaded by sex", the hormones do it by itself.

I also recommend teens to wear underwear, what's wrong with that?  LOL

Mar 03 06 10:19 pm Link

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William Coleman

Posts: 2371

New York, New York, US

CristinaLex wrote:
i dont thing teens should be shot in anything inappropriate for a child under 18 years old...just worried about our future

Being worried about MY future, I don't shoot models under 18 at all.  The law is one thing.  The angry Dad with a tire iron is something else.  Who needs it!

Mar 03 06 10:20 pm Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

William Coleman wrote:

Being worried about MY future, I don't shoot models under 18 at all.  The law is one thing.  The angry Dad with a tire iron is something else.  Who needs it!

lol true....but just as someone had stated a couple of actors before who did obscene scenes at a young at ....it just worries me..yes hormones do do the trick but...images or actions shouldnt push to persuade the urges...my lil cuzzin is preganant because of the influence of images of young people on t.v and in ads...OH GOD especially these lil pop artist talking bout "im in love with a stripper"..lol....

and yea undies should be on ...lol

Mar 03 06 10:24 pm Link

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lll

Posts: 12295

Seattle, Washington, US

CristinaLex wrote:
lol true....but just as someone had stated a couple of actors before who did obscene scenes at a young at

Excuse me, obscene?  Have you seen Return to the Blue Lagoon?  Which part of it was "obscene"?

..my lil cuzzin is preganant because of the influence of images of young people on t.v and in ads...OH GOD especially these lil pop artist talking bout "im in love with a stripper"..lol....

Your cousin is pregnant because of the irresponsible actions of two young persons. Don't blame others irrelevant people.  The only people one can blame are their parents for not giving them proper sex education or teaching them actions cause long-term consequences.  I grew up with all the ads and sexy movies, too, I didn't get any girl pregnant (as far as I know! lol)

Mar 03 06 11:24 pm Link

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Christopher N.

Posts: 657

Troy, Michigan, US

I stay away from that issue....completely. Given the Justice Dept's "Secret War" on 'offensive' images, you're playing Texas Hold 'Em everytime you take a picture that is even slightly provocative of anyone underage....and the flop doesn't look too good.

Mar 03 06 11:29 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17825

El Segundo, California, US

Vldaimir Londono, in the thread title wrote:
Are under aged models allowed to be in underwear?

No, they shouldn't be allowed to be in underwear. They should take it off before shooting.

Yes, they should be allowed to be in underwear.

Pick one. smile

CristinaLex wrote:
..my lil cuzzin is preganant because of the influence of images of young people on t.v and in ads...OH GOD especially these lil pop artist talking bout "im in love with a stripper"..lol....

Wow. That's really high definition, if impregnation can occur just because of images on TV and in ads.

Mar 04 06 12:03 am Link

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Michael Rothman

Posts: 778

Oak Park, Illinois, US

But what happens when the 15 Y/O poses in a provocative manner and her Mom is standing besides the photographer encouraging her?? 

I make a rule to stay away from anyone under 18, but I was invited to a shoot out with other photographers and multiple models in a public location (beach).  The 'children' (15 & 17) had parents present, but the one Model was doing provocative poses for most of the shoot.

Mar 04 06 12:06 am Link

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lll

Posts: 12295

Seattle, Washington, US

Michael Rothman wrote:
...but the one Model was doing provocative poses for most of the shoot.

At least she was under supervision.  Heck knows what she does at school these days.  Have you looked at what they wear at high schools lately?

Mar 04 06 12:08 am Link

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JC

Posts: 90

GAAAAWDD   what a bunch of PUSSIES.   Think about it ! Why would a minor in underwear be illegal ?  Jesus christ get a clue.

Mar 04 06 12:11 am Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

lll wrote:

At least she was under supervision.  Heck knows what she does at school these days.  Have you looked at what they wear at high schools lately?

Yes and it is scaring me...these gurls dont look like teens n e more they look like educated young porn stars...lol...excuse me...tiny tops..little shorts...barely there skirts...

Mar 04 06 12:11 am Link

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UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

Feffing No!  People get scary and change their minds later.

No skin, boudoir glamour shots for anyone under 18 period!
Shit happens!

Mar 04 06 12:23 am Link

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Christopher N.

Posts: 657

Troy, Michigan, US

JC wrote:
GAAAAWDD   what a bunch of PUSSIES.   Think about it ! Why would a minor in underwear be illegal ?  Jesus christ get a clue.

Yep....color me pussy. (Without the need for a lawyer)

:-)

Mar 04 06 12:27 am Link

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JC

Posts: 90

LOL  ok so Adriana Lima wasn't 17 when she started with Victorias Secret ?  Brooke Shields didn't model in her panties for Calvin Klien when she was a minor? Jesus people, learn the business, the REAL bix not this pretend internet world where EVERYONE AND ANYONE can call themselves a model or photographer without having a clue.

Mar 04 06 12:30 am Link

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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

- If they couldn't, how would we see kids modeling in underwear in a department store catalogs or ads? Not sure the OP is being completely clear about the sort of photography he is asking about.

- In the US, nudity is *not* automatically afoul of the law, but neither is nudity a *requirement* for breaking the law. Court cases like US v. Knox, US v. Amirault, and US v. Dost are important reads if you are considering working with a minor. Even clothed, posing, expression, setting, and other factors might affect whether the photo is considered "sexual activity" or "lascivious exhibition."

- I may be working with a young male model this weekend (13), but it is a hassle. I have to use different contracts, have parent there for the shoot, etc. And, obviously, nothing even approaching illegality. But I don't make a habit of working with minors--I can get better shots and repeat business from someone mature enough to be serious about their modeling (not that a minor can't be serious, there are some on this board that prove it, it's just that they are few and far between and I don't have the energy to sort them out of the bunch).

Mar 04 06 12:31 am Link

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Michael A

Posts: 95

Ben Lomond, California, US

Truth is, it's ok for a young girl to wear the underwear, it's only the photog, and her parents who will possibly go to prison, or at least face and have to pay for the trial.

The state and federal laws covering exploitation of minors, stat rape and work permits make it very hard to take pics: and if they are at all sexy, forget it- even fully clothed- you are in trouble.

Yah, I'm a pussy- and not an idiot. I also let little girls be little girls. I got better things to do. Yah.

Mar 04 06 12:32 am Link

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JC

Posts: 90

Michael I hope your better things to do is LEARN the real world of this biz. You won't go anywhere bigtime with that attitude.

Mar 04 06 12:34 am Link

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JC

Posts: 90

and how is photographing a minor a reason to go to prison ?  Did you read my example ?

Adriana Lima was 17 when she started with Victorias Secret, ummm I didn't see anyone go to jail for photographing her. IDIOT.

Mar 04 06 12:37 am Link

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Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

A bra strap showing, such as one of those t shirt material type tops girls where with spaghetti straps, or a sheer blouse with a matching color blouse,used to and may still be part of a certain style. I do not know why but I have had more than a couple models mention this to me.
I see it as annoying, and something I want to not have shown in those instances or have to edit out instead of seeing it as some sort of silly style, or even taboo.

Mar 04 06 12:43 am Link

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Christopher N.

Posts: 657

Troy, Michigan, US

JC wrote:
LOL  ok so Adriana Lima wasn't 17 when she started with Victorias Secret ?  Brooke Shields didn't model in her panties for Calvin Klien when she was a minor? Jesus people, learn the business, the REAL bix not this pretend internet world where EVERYONE AND ANYONE can call themselves a model or photographer without having a clue.

Yes all true. Can't argue that. Of course that was before The Bush Administration, Ashcroft, 2257 and other examples of collective hypersenstivity.

As for those considering themselves real photographers with initimate knowledge of the business: have at it. For me and what I shoot it's unlikely I will come near an underage model in underwear . In fact it's impossible.

That's just me. Your mileage will (and should) vary.

Mar 04 06 12:45 am Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

its just sick if any one says that it is ok for a under 18 teen model should model under wear...why do u need to see what it looks like on thier bums...by a damn pack..take it home and see if it fits ur kid...there are enough perverts and or petophils out here and we need not encourage it...

SO YEA I AM A PUSSY TOO>...even thougnh i am not a photographer.....

And that is just saying how sick the biz can be if adriane lima was a 17 year old lingerie model......just my 2ccceeennntttsss smile

Mar 04 06 12:45 am Link

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theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

No. They must go commando until they are 18.

It's a sick society that even needs to ask this question.

Mar 04 06 12:46 am Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

theda wrote:
No. They must go commando until they are 18.

It's a sick society that even needs to ask this question.

That can be true

Mar 04 06 12:49 am Link

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K-A

Posts: 724

Healdsburg, California, US

lll wrote:
I also recommend teens to wear underwear, what's wrong with that?  LOL

forget underwear, they should all be wearing CHASTITY BELTS :-p

Mar 04 06 12:49 am Link

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Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Michael Rothman wrote:
But what happens when the 15 Y/O poses in a provocative manner and her Mom is standing besides the photographer encouraging her?? 

I make a rule to stay away from anyone under 18, but I was invited to a shoot out with other photographers and multiple models in a public location (beach).  The 'children' (15 & 17) had parents present, but the one Model was doing provocative poses for most of the shoot.

I had the mom thing happen once. It happened to be someone I knew through another model. The girl I was shooting was 17 and the model I worked with who I met the 17 year old was 16 at the time.
Mom was tellin her to show more cleavage, flaunt it,do this pose and that position so more cleavage happens, telling her how to open her mouth just so, so that she had a provocative look. I am fairly liberal in my shooting of all ages really, as many know. But I did pause while mom was doing this, looked at her and said" Ok, but remember, these poses and expressions were upon your direction. You understand this, right?"

Mar 04 06 12:49 am Link

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JC

Posts: 90

how is it sick to see a minor in underwear ? OMG  You people are so conservative.

I am not talking about a friggin thong and see thru bra.  lol jeeeeeeeeeeeez

Mar 04 06 12:51 am Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

JC wrote:
how is it sick to see a minor in underwear ? OMG  You people are so conservative.

I am not talking about a friggin thong and see thru bra.  lol jeeeeeeeeeeeez

you might see this as retarted ..but show a pic of a 17 year old in a two piece hot sweaty on a beach to a pedophil....or show them a pic of a 6 year old gurl modeling some disney princess panties on a fruit of a loom add...see how they react..

Mar 04 06 12:55 am Link

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Diane ly

Posts: 1068

Manhattan, Illinois, US

The younger the better in the fashion world......your career is over at 25 in most cases.  (Sure there are exceptions).  I am a bitter old hag and my time is almost up and I HATE IT!  LOL tongue

Mar 04 06 12:55 am Link

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CristinaLex

Posts: 1970

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

Diana- you look quite young to me ....smile...."can I see some ID"

Mar 04 06 12:58 am Link

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Steven Bigler

Posts: 1007

Schenectady, New York, US

I was going to comment.. but there are simple too many fucking stupid peope here for me to bother with.

When concerned with such questions... simply refer to the penal code.

Mar 04 06 01:03 am Link

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theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

CristinaLex wrote:
you might see this as retarted ..but show a pic of a 17 year old in a two piece hot sweaty on a beach to a pedophil....or show them a pic of a 6 year old gurl modeling some disney princess panties on a fruit of a loom add...see how they react..

SHow a fully clothesd child to a pedofile. See how hey react.

Mar 04 06 01:05 am Link

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Diane ly

Posts: 1068

Manhattan, Illinois, US

Steven Bigler wrote:
I was going to comment.. but there are simple too many fucking stupid peope here for me to bother with.

When concerned with such questions... simply refer to the penal code.

You are funny!  I think I like you!!  smile~

Mar 04 06 01:06 am Link