Posted by rajan patel: 
Honestly "pink" is something i have never tried shooting..but just dead curious to know why models on MM look down on "pink"..arnt all of us creative people "open minded" ?

I think that the models are concerned that they'll be considered porn-models and from then on they'll get tons of queries for increasingly nasty stuff.

Let me put it this way: if you're a fine art model who poses topless, you're going to get annoying requests to pose bottomless, too. If you pose bottomless, you'll get annoying requests to pose with your legs spread. If you pose with your legs spread, you'll get annoying requests to pose with "insertions" (the pornography industry's euphemism for dildos, etc) - and if you do that, then you'll be getting annoying requests to have anal sex with an entire cricket team on a downtown streetcorner, etc, etc. I think there's just always a tendency to want to push the limits - it's a trait in humans we just can't get over.

"Pink", by the way, is interesting to shoot. I did one shoot deliberately making the images much more explicit than I'm used to. Then I rendered them in B&W (so "pink" is relative) and tried to still make them expressively erotic. I think the result is so-so --- but I'll tell you what: that photo gets more hits by far than any other photo on my gallery. I'm not sure what I think of that, but I think I'm annoyed because it's far from my best photo.

http://www.ranum.com/gallery then look at "most viewed"

mjr.

Posted by Marcus J. Ranum: 

Posted by rajan patel: 
Honestly "pink" is something i have never tried shooting..but just dead curious to know why models on MM look down on "pink"..arnt all of us creative people "open minded" ?

I think that the models are concerned that they'll be considered porn-models and from then on they'll get tons of queries for increasingly nasty stuff.

Let me put it this way: if you're a fine art model who poses topless, you're going to get annoying requests to pose bottomless, too. If you pose bottomless, you'll get annoying requests to pose with your legs spread. If you pose with your legs spread, you'll get annoying requests to pose with "insertions" (the pornography industry's euphemism for dildos, etc) - and if you do that, then you'll be getting annoying requests to have anal sex with an entire cricket team on a downtown streetcorner, etc, etc. I think there's just always a tendency to want to push the limits - it's a trait in humans we just can't get over.

"Pink", by the way, is interesting to shoot. I did one shoot deliberately making the images much more explicit than I'm used to. Then I rendered them in B&W (so "pink" is relative) and tried to still make them expressively erotic. I think the result is so-so --- but I'll tell you what: that photo gets more hits by far than any other photo on my gallery. I'm not sure what I think of that, but I think I'm annoyed because it's far from my best photo.

http://www.ranum.com/gallery then look at "most viewed"

mjr.

Marcus, lol on your train of thought. For the most part, it is true. I've never gone the route of nagging a person to model in a genre that is considered extremely unpopular by others. However, in my early days as young photographer, I knew that if I didn't get this curiousity out of my system, then I wouldn't be able to concentrate properly on non-nude genres. So, I hired a few professional nude models who were very comfortable showing pink and being expressive in front of the camera.

Most guys would see this opportunity for what it appears to be and start to become sexually excited at the mere prospect of doing something like this, but for the serious photographer, it's a test and challenge. At it's most basic core, this is about as intimate as one can get with a model of the opposite sex, short of having actual sexual contact.

My curiousity sated and my skill badge acquired and out of the way, I don't have to reach for nudity anymore. Some of the nude models I've done repeat work with in the past (not listed on my port), were somewhat surprised when my interests didn't include nudity, or pink. Suprisingly, their motivation wasn't nearly as high as it was when they did nudes. Sometimes, I entertained the thought that they prefer erotica and nudity because they were pervy/exhibitionist by nature. Lol. Seriously.

Study the body language if you ever get the change to do a clothing shoot with a model who is notorious for doing pink and you might find her go-getter energy level isn't quite the same.

Posted by rajan patel: 
Just a curios observation..on OMP..you have quite a few models who "classify" themselves doing "pink" but on MM..every model looks down upon "pink". Honestly "pink" is something i have never tried shooting..but just dead curious to know why models on MM look down on "pink"..arnt all of us creative people "open minded" ? 

This is the thought I entertained. Because by nature, OMP's image leans more on the conservative side, many people will want to upload images featuring more pink. Whereas, on MM, it's widely open, these same people don't see the same challenge. In short, it's more out of a rebellious motivation, which is why you see more pink on OMP. In other words, if there's an opportunity to see a boat, and rock it, people feel compelled to do it. They don't have that same feeling in regards to MM, because it's already rockin! Lol

Posted by AnnaMarie:  In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on...

this may be the wierdest thing i've ever heard. so it's okay for your kids to see you on the web with your daisy dukes half off?  I bet Michaelangelo, Manet, Rembrandt and all those Greek sculptors wish they'd gotten your memo!

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 

Posted by rajan patel: 
Just a curios observation..on OMP..you have quite a few models who "classify" themselves doing "pink" but on MM..every model looks down upon "pink". Honestly "pink" is something i have never tried shooting..but just dead curious to know why models on MM look down on "pink"..arnt all of us creative people "open minded" ? 

This is the thought I entertained. Because by nature, OMP's image leans more on the conservative side, many people will want to upload images featuring more pink. Whereas, on MM, it's widely open, these same people don't see the same challenge. In short, it's more out of a rebellious motivation, which is why you see more pink on OMP. In other words, if there's an opportunity to see a boat, and rock it, people feel compelled to do it. They don't have that same feeling in regards to MM, because it's already rockin! Lol

Here's another analogy. It's like someone (OMP), putting up a white tape across the room and telling members not to cross this line. So many will want to, because it's in their nature to want to cross the line.

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 

Posted by rajan patel: 
Just a curios observation..on OMP..you have quite a few models who "classify" themselves doing "pink" but on MM..every model looks down upon "pink". Honestly "pink" is something i have never tried shooting..but just dead curious to know why models on MM look down on "pink"..arnt all of us creative people "open minded" ? 

This is the thought I entertained. Because by nature, OMP's image leans more on the conservative side, many people will want to upload images featuring more pink. Whereas, on MM, it's widely open, these same people don't see the same challenge. In short, it's more out of a rebellious motivation, which is why you see more pink on OMP. In other words, if there's an opportunity to see a boat, and rock it, people feel compelled to do it. They don't have that same feeling in regards to MM, because it's already rockin! Lol

Here's another analogy. It's like someone (OMP), putting up a white tape across the room and telling members not to cross this line. So many will want to, because it's in their nature to want to cross the line.

I forgot to mention that I was once involved in this team activity where the coach did exactly that, put a white tape across a doorway and instructed all of us not to cross the line. One guy, leaned into the tape making it bend and asked, "What happens if I do?". He ended up flunking the course. Lol

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
Most guys would see this opportunity for what it appears to be and start to become sexually excited at the mere prospect of doing something like this, but for the serious photographer, it's a test and challenge.

Y'know what's funny? I never get turned on when I'm shooting. Shooting's hard work for me - I get very intent on getting the shot 'cuz there's time to worry about all the other stuff later.

I used to get really hot and sweaty sometimes in my darkroom. Taking the film out of the wash was a peak experience, sometimes - so was seeing the print form in the developer. Oh, wait - I was getting hot and sweaty because my darkroom didn't have air conditioning! But anyhow...

Study the body language if you ever get the change to do a clothing shoot with a model who is notorious for doing pink and you might find her go-getter energy level isn't quite the same.

You're not kidding!!!

I did my shots of "pink" with a fine-art model and a couple years later I tried to do a fine-art shoot with a porn actress. There's a difference, I'll tell you that. Her idea of posing was a lot more - shall we say - abandoned than I'm used to. I got all embarrassed and started throwing away frames. At the point when her agent called to tell her she'd just won the AVN award for "best new blowjob artist" I wrapped the shoot up and got my sanity back by doing a few hours of shooting with our make-up artist (see my port) the adorable Jenn.

I know there are exceptions, and I'm not anti-porn (by any means) but my impression is that working in that field causes models to develop a certain emotional distance that, I think, shows on film. I find it unaesthetic. In fact, I think the porn industry does, too, since it's usually the young fresh-faced and innocent stars that sell well, until they become old (2 years later) warhorses who've been there and done it all.

mjr.

Posted by AnnaMarie: 
Let's try to keep this a clean site, especially when there are children involved.  I have two kids and when I am on the computer checking out this site, they are sometimes there with me.  I really don't want to tell them to get away because "there are naked pictures on here".  I have to sometimes just click off when I am on OMP and they have naked women on the screen.  In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on, keeps the imagination running and hides the flaws that we all have.  No porn on this site please!!

Everything that's nude is not unclean and you should not automatically equate nude with porn.  I don't know what your values are, but I don't want the values of the Christian right determining what's seen on this site.   

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by AnnaMarie:  In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on...

this may be the wierdest thing i've ever heard. so it's okay for your kids to see you on the web with your daisy dukes half off?  I bet Michaelangelo, Manet, Rembrandt and all those Greek sculptors wish they'd gotten your memo!

I agree, any model that has his/her pants undone and is pulling them down portrays the "f*ck me" more than just a nude model.

Mike

Posted by Herb Way: 
Everything that's nude is not unclean and you should not automatically equate nude with porn.  I don't know what your values are, but I don't want the values of the Christian right determining what's seen on this site.   

Newsflash: Most nudists are Christian.

Mike

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
This is the thought I entertained. Because by nature, OMP's image leans more on the conservative side, many people will want to upload images featuring more pink. Whereas, on MM, it's widely open, these same people don't see the same challenge. In short, it's more out of a rebellious motivation, which is why you see more pink on OMP. In other words, if there's an opportunity to see a boat, and rock it, people feel compelled to do it. They don't have that same feeling in regards to MM, because it's already rockin! Lol

Posted by Mike Cummings: 
Newsflash: Most nudists are Christian.

Mike

Chrisitian right aren't christian nudists lol

Posted by Ian Powell: 

Posted by Mike Cummings: 
Newsflash: Most nudists are Christian.

Mike

Chrisitian right aren't christian nudists lol

You would be suprised. Just because someone does not want porn available at the library, does not mean they don't want to let it all hang out at the nude beach.

Mike

Posted by Herb Way: 

Posted by AnnaMarie: 
Let's try to keep this a clean site, especially when there are children involved.  I have two kids and when I am on the computer checking out this site, they are sometimes there with me.  I really don't want to tell them to get away because "there are naked pictures on here".  I have to sometimes just click off when I am on OMP and they have naked women on the screen.  In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on, keeps the imagination running and hides the flaws that we all have.  No porn on this site please!!

Everything that's nude is not unclean and you should not automatically equate nude with porn.  I don't know what your values are, but I don't want the values of the Christian right determining what's seen on this site.   

Pink refers to explicit matterial like spreads. I love vaginas and think they are beautiful but the truth is that showing too much of them is considered pornographic. I have no problem with porn but I would hate to have to deal with annoying emails trying to get me to do porn. Save it for another site please.

Posted by Ian Powell: 
But if you get naked you get a show case on omp, if you show a lot of pink in your profile the jerkoffs who moderate will give you a showcase... Conservative site looking maybe but SHUT UP AND MODEL? must do nudes, nudes nudes nudes. Omp seems to like posts of Cervix's and other Pink parts of the female sexual organ or you wouldn't see so much of that type of adult glamour nude posted. Gets you notised and a showcase on there... is the down hill slide

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
This is the thought I entertained. Because by nature, OMP's image leans more on the conservative side, many people will want to upload images featuring more pink. Whereas, on MM, it's widely open, these same people don't see the same challenge. In short, it's more out of a rebellious motivation, which is why you see more pink on OMP. In other words, if there's an opportunity to see a boat, and rock it, people feel compelled to do it. They don't have that same feeling in regards to MM, because it's already rockin! Lol

I've never seen pink on OMP? I feel like I'm missing out:(

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by AnnaMarie:  In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on...

this may be the wierdest thing i've ever heard. so it's okay for your kids to see you on the web with your daisy dukes half off?  I bet Michaelangelo, Manet, Rembrandt and all those Greek sculptors wish they'd gotten your memo!

I agree, any model that has his/her pants undone and is pulling them down portrays the "f*ck me" more than just a nude model.

Mike

So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that. I agree, to me a model posing completely nude becomes a work of art. A woman fully clothed in the act of undressing is far more suggestive of sexual activity. Not criticizing or condoning, just stating my opinion. Glad someone else agrees.

Posted by Mystic 7: 

Posted by Mike Cummings: 

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by AnnaMarie:  In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on...

this may be the wierdest thing i've ever heard. so it's okay for your kids to see you on the web with your daisy dukes half off?  I bet Michaelangelo, Manet, Rembrandt and all those Greek sculptors wish they'd gotten your memo!

I agree, any model that has his/her pants undone and is pulling them down portrays the "f*ck me" more than just a nude model.

Mike

So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that. I agree, to me a model posing completely nude becomes a work of art. A woman fully clothed in the act of undressing is far more suggestive of sexual activity. Not criticizing or condoning, just stating my opinion. Glad someone else agrees.

It is only art if it is in B&W ;-)

Mike

Posted by AnnaMarie: 
Let's try to keep this a clean site, especially when there are children involved.

SCREW the children!

I swear, if I hear another conservative or liberal use the excuse of "what about the children" as their reason for exercising their control issues, I'm gonna devote the rest of my life to taking pink shots and plastering them on the backs of cars!

Posted by AnnaMarie:
I have two kids and when I am on the computer checking out this site, they are sometimes there with me.  I really don't want to tell them to get away because "there are naked pictures on here".   

That's easy...just tell them that rather than possibly seeing something as disgusting as a naked body, you'd rather they watch insipid television and have their brains turn to consumeristic mushmachines.

Or, rather than turning the MM into a sterile boring site that caters to people who have sex clothed, put the little darlins' to bed before you surf the net.

Posted by AnnaMarie:
I have to sometimes just click off when I am on OMP and they have naked women on the screen.

I understand!  I have the same reaction when I come across photographs of Jerry Falwell, Herr Ashcroft, DICK Cheney or any number of the neo-fascists turning the US into a theocracy.

Posted by AnnaMarie:
In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on, keeps the imagination running and hides the flaws that we all have.  No porn on this site please!!

Seriously, you need to familiarize yourself with classical nude studies rather than using OMP as your learning point to what nudes are. 


And you aren't really suggesting a naked body is defacto porn?

Posted by KM von Seidl: 
(#$%&@@@#$!!!

Vent much?

Posted by Ched: 

Posted by KM von Seidl: 
(#$%&@@@#$!!!

Vent much?

nah, just getting warmed up....

Posted by KM von Seidl: 

Posted by AnnaMarie: 
Let's try to keep this a clean site, especially when there are children involved.

SCREW the children!

I swear, if I hear another conservative or liberal use the excuse of "what about the children" as their reason for exercising their control issues, I'm gonna devote the rest of my life to taking pink shots and plastering them on the backs of cars!

Posted by AnnaMarie:
I have two kids and when I am on the computer checking out this site, they are sometimes there with me.  I really don't want to tell them to get away because "there are naked pictures on here".   

That's easy...just tell them that rather than possibly seeing something as disgusting as a naked body, you'd rather they watch insipid television and have their brains turn to consumeristic mushmachines.

Or, rather than turning the MM into a sterile boring site that caters to people who have sex clothed, put the little darlins' to bed before you surf the net.

Posted by AnnaMarie:
I have to sometimes just click off when I am on OMP and they have naked women on the screen.

I understand!  I have the same reaction when I come across photographs of Jerry Falwell, Herr Ashcroft, DICK Cheney or any number of the neo-fascists turning the US into a theocracy.

Posted by AnnaMarie:
In my opinion, the body looks much better with some clothes on, keeps the imagination running and hides the flaws that we all have.  No porn on this site please!!

Seriously, you need to familiarize yourself with classical nude studies rather than using OMP as your learning point to what nudes are. 


And you aren't really suggesting a naked body is defacto porn?

*dreamy sigh*

I think I'm in love.