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Photographer

MikeyBoy

Posts: 633

Milltown, Wisconsin, US

I'm eating Cool Whip right out of the container with a spoon.. oh yes

Feb 19 06 11:41 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28822

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I bet I know who this is.. I received something like this a few weeks ago. Is this a certain model out in the Murrietta/Temecula area?

Feb 19 06 11:44 pm Link

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studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

SLE Photography wrote:
Rats, I was REALLY hoping someone'd have the patience to slog thru that disaster and get a laugh out of it lol

I did and here's my suggestion for the next time one of the whackos contacts you

https://www.studio36.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mouse_run.gif

Studio36

Feb 20 06 12:08 am Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

Steven Bigler wrote:

EMB wrote:
I have no idea who on Earth you are!

(I was kidding!)

I'm Batman... now come over here and kiss me!

Hey! Do I look like Robin to you? I'm not your bitch!

... Not unless you give me one of those sexy utility belts first.

Feb 20 06 12:12 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:

Well, yeah. She thinks that God-awful, trendy, crap like Terry Richardson is good.

I'm not a very good photographer either. The difference between Terry Richardson and myself is that I suck and I know it, whereas he sucks and makes a bazillion dollars, so people think that makes him talented.

Sort of like how Andy Warhol was a no-talent, hack-with-a-photocopier who tricked dimwits into thinking he was an artist.

Yeah, sure Eric... you so totally suck. That's exactly what I think when I see your work... Not!

  I'm really not sure why he says that. If anyone is going to a sucky photographer around here it's gonna be ME!!!

Feb 20 06 12:16 am Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

I love MM tards.   the blocking does not work for who would let me check out there port if it did?

Feb 20 06 12:19 am Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

studio36uk wrote:
I did and here's my suggestion for the next time one of the whackos contacts you

https://www.studio36.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mouse_run.gif

Studio36

Thanks for the advice, glad I didn't have to suffer alone LOL

Feb 20 06 12:23 am Link

Photographer

Stephen Bodi

Posts: 848

East Northport, New York, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:

Well, yeah. She thinks that God-awful, trendy, crap like Terry Richardson is good.

I'm not a very good photographer either. The difference between Terry Richardson and myself is that I suck and I know it, whereas he sucks and makes a bazillion dollars, so people think that makes him talented.

Sort of like how Andy Warhol was a no-talent, hack-with-a-photocopier who tricked dimwits into thinking he was an artist.

what a coincedence, I suck too  smile

Feb 20 06 12:25 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Stephen Bodi wrote:

what a coincedence, I suck too  smile

Oh yeah? I suck more than both of you combined! And let's toss in a random GWC just to be fair. That's how much *I* suck. And possibly even more.

  So there.

Feb 20 06 12:34 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

OK, I actually have a somewhat serious question to ask (and it has nothing to do with how much I suck). Why do you guys even use IM clients? They seem to be more trouble than they're worth. Do you actually get real paying clients through an IM? I used to have ICQ, and when my PC crashed I started using YaHoo! chat. And then my PC crashed again and I never reinstalled it. But I never thought of IM as a way to get clients or doing anything in regards to photography. So, I'm just curious.

  -P-

  PS: I suck more than Terry Richardson! There. I win! Neener neener!

Feb 20 06 12:38 am Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

SLE Photography wrote:

And some of it crosses right over the border in to bad porn.  If you Google him, there's a self portrait of him naked with 2 women servicing him orally.  HE looks remarkably like our own beloved GWC, only a bit older.
I have NO clue why he's succesful.

Perhaps in part because of who his father was.  He is well connected.   

I personally don't care for the style of his work though I don't mind the narrative aspects.

Feb 20 06 02:51 am Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

Pat Thielen wrote:
Why do you guys even use IM clients? They seem to be more trouble than they're worth. Do you actually get real paying clients through an IM? I used to have ICQ, and when my PC crashed I started using YaHoo! chat. And then my PC crashed again and I never reinstalled it. But I never thought of IM as a way to get clients or doing anything in regards to photography. So, I'm just curious.

I shoot purely for fun. I'm not looking to make money or get clients. This is just a hobby for me.

Feb 20 06 03:11 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:

I shoot purely for fun. I'm not looking to make money or get clients. This is just a hobby for me.

That's cool. But even still, it seems you have a distinct possibility of attracting these types of people. Because I don't have IM I really have no clue if people like this are really a problem for you or not. I'm just curious.

  -P-

Feb 20 06 03:22 am Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

Pat Thielen wrote:
But even still, it seems you have a distinct possibility of attracting these types of people. Because I don't have IM I really have no clue if people like this are really a problem for you or not. I'm just curious.

Oh, no. Not common for this to happen at all. This was a rare instance, and I thought it was an amusing conversation, so I shared it. Definitely not an ongoing experience.

Feb 20 06 03:27 am Link

Model

saraya

Posts: 41

New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

lmao...at least she's honest

Feb 20 06 03:29 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:

Oh, no. Not common for this to happen at all. This was a rare instance, and I thought it was an amusing conversation, so I shared it. Definitely not an ongoing experience.

Right on. I know that when I did use IMs I used to get spam and very odd messages from people I had no idea of who they were. So, I had the impression it was a more frequent event. And you're right: It was a rather amusing conversation. Some peoples' kids...

  -P-

Feb 20 06 03:30 am Link

Model

saraya

Posts: 41

New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

just checked out Terry Richardson's stuff on google. yup he sux.

Feb 20 06 03:41 am Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

saraya wrote:
just checked out Terry Richardson's stuff on google. yup he sux.

Just like PT Barnum always said: There's a sucker born every minute.

He's always been my poster child for a successful GWC .... oh, the shame of it.

Feb 20 06 05:43 am Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:
This was my conversation with a model a few moments ago.....
-----------------------------
The Model (4:37:35 PM): wat are you!

The Photographer (4:40:55 PM): excuse me?

The Model (4:45:40 PM): yes!
The Model (4:45:45 PM): who are you!
The Model (4:46:52 PM): yo

The Photographer (4:46:54 PM): who am i? um. you are the one who sent me an IM. shouldn't i be asking who you are?

The Model (4:46:56 PM): g-nit
The Model (4:47:21 PM): you were on my list
The Model (4:47:37 PM): so....
The Model (4:47:47 PM): im wondering whi this person is ..

The Photographer (4:49:09 PM): well, we talked many months ago from Model Mayhem.
you think i'm a crappy photographer and are really cocky.
but you're only 17, so i don't take it personally.

The Model (4:51:00 PM): oh ... nevermind
The Model (4:51:03 PM): bye
The Model (4:51:05 PM): ewooo
The Model (4:51:19 PM): im blocking u right
The Model (4:51:24 PM): so don't worry

The Photographer (4:51:51 PM): no worries at all, kid. take care.

The Model signed off at 4:52:03 PM.
-----------------------------

Sometimes I really amuse myself.

She's cheaper than cable...

Feb 20 06 05:44 am Link

Photographer

La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:
Look him up on Google. He's a really shitty photographer that shoots for huge clients and celebrites and makes a fortune as the current "big name" out there. He has shot for the likes of Gucci, Levi's, Nike, Vogue, GQ, Harper's Bazaar, and W. He has done celebrity shots of Daniel Day Lewis, Faye Dunaway, Leonardo DiCaprio, Sharon Stone, Mickey Rourke, Mena Suvari, Nicolas Cage, Dennis Hopper, and Maggie Gylenhall.

I have no clue how he pulls it off, because he's absolutely horrible.

His work is supposed to be "edgy" and "controversial" but is actually just trite, stupid and boring worthless crap. For example, this is his:
https://www.terryrichardson.com/Images/batman-done%20-%2014.jpg
https://www.terryrichardson.com/Images/Josie%20Milk.jpg

He's brilliant. The first image always makes me giggle and that second image is effing brilliant. I won't even bother showing you guys some of his better work. It's not for this crowd. BTW, he's probably the single most brilliant advertising mind in the fashion business. His images have pretty much single-handedly launched at least two labels into the stratosphere. After he left one of them, they attempted to art direct in the same style using two very straightforward, "pretty" commercial shooters and the results have been gawdawful. But they can't get away from trying to imitate him, even badly, because that attitude is the very identity of their label.

Glad I don't work for anybody on here...

Feb 20 06 06:18 am Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Pat Thielen wrote:
OK, I actually have a somewhat serious question to ask (and it has nothing to do with how much I suck). Why do you guys even use IM clients? They seem to be more trouble than they're worth. Do you actually get real paying clients through an IM? I used to have ICQ, and when my PC crashed I started using YaHoo! chat. And then my PC crashed again and I never reinstalled it. But I never thought of IM as a way to get clients or doing anything in regards to photography. So, I'm just curious.

  -P-

  PS: I suck more than Terry Richardson! There. I win! Neener neener!

I don't use them for work, I use them to keep in touch with people (friends & family without using my cell phone minutes.  I've used them occasionally for conversations with models who lived over an hour away to go thru some initial details like terms & releases but only after we've initiated contact thru other means.
Both the horror shows I posted were people who contacted me on my non-photo IM names due to a reference in that profile to photography.

Feb 20 06 09:28 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

KM von Seidl wrote:
Perhaps in part because of who his father was.  He is well connected.   

I personally don't care for the style of his work though I don't mind the narrative aspects.

Yeah, his self portait of a couple of trashy looking women licking his penis & testicles while he flaunts his disgusting looking body in a mirror is terribly narrative lol

Feb 20 06 09:29 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
He's brilliant. The first image always makes me giggle and that second image is effing brilliant. I won't even bother showing you guys some of his better work. It's not for this crowd. BTW, he's probably the single most brilliant advertising mind in the fashion business. His images have pretty much single-handedly launched at least two labels into the stratosphere. After he left one of them, they attempted to art direct in the same style using two very straightforward, "pretty" commercial shooters and the results have been gawdawful. But they can't get away from trying to imitate him, even badly, because that attitude is the very identity of their label.

Glad I don't work for anybody on here...

No, he's had a couple of good ideas & a lot of marketing savvy.  He's technically inept & mostly hackneyed in his execution.
He's caught on as a sort of "trailer trash chic" by convincing people that badly done images of low rent fantasies are somehow edgy, relevant, and "cool."
Guys who're REALLY out there who've also done well like David LaChapelle (who uses nudity, overt sexuality, and shocking visuals) have done so with panache, style, and talented execution.
Richardson has none of those.

Feb 20 06 09:40 am Link

Model

victory228

Posts: 23

Chicago, Illinois, US

I've found that Model Mayem + AIM = disaster.

I took my sign in off because I was getting models adding me to their AIM, not potential photographers...

Feb 20 06 03:58 pm Link

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FabioTovar

Posts: 583

Culver City, California, US

what you dont like camel toe?!

https://www.terryrichardson.com/Images/Found%20Objects-done%20-%2002.jpg

Feb 20 06 04:04 pm Link

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La Seine by the Hudson

Posts: 8587

New York, New York, US

SLE Photography wrote:

No, he's had a couple of good ideas & a lot of marketing savvy.  He's technically inept & mostly hackneyed in his execution.
He's caught on as a sort of "trailer trash chic" by convincing people that badly done images of low rent fantasies are somehow edgy, relevant, and "cool."
Guys who're REALLY out there who've also done well like David LaChapelle (who uses nudity, overt sexuality, and shocking visuals) have done so with panache, style, and talented execution.
Richardson has none of those.

LaChapelle has panache?? *shaking head* oy vey... back to your SI calendars...

Feb 20 06 04:25 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
LaChapelle has panache?? *shaking head* oy vey... back to your SI calendars...

Main Entry: pa·nache Pronunciation: p&-'nash, -'näshFunction: nounEtymology: Middle French pennache, from Old Italian pennacchio, from Late Latin pinnaculum small wing -- more at PINNACLE
2 : dash or flamboyance in style and action : VERVE

Yeah, I'd say so

Versus Richardson, who's more like this:
White Trash:
What you live next to in the Midwest or the South if you're not in a big city or large town. They can be defined more easily with these following, short descriptions:
-Is very poor
-Smells really bad
-Eats pork rinds, squirrel, and drinks beer
-Wears clothing from Dixie Outfitters, Wrangler, and NASCAR
-Has vehicles up on cement blocks
-Has unkempt hair and an overall nasty-looking appearence.
-If you can hear them laughing and loud-mouthing very clearly from 200 yards away.
-If you see living room furniture and useless appliances outside.

I.E. My neighbor is a loud-mouthing piece of white-trash with nasty hair and a film of dirt built up on her skin. The rest of her imbred family lives with her. They live over 200 yards away and I can still hear that ugly laugh that those guys have....UGGH!

Feb 20 06 08:10 pm Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
He's brilliant. The first image always makes me giggle and that second image is effing brilliant. I won't even bother showing you guys some of his better work. It's not for this crowd. BTW, he's probably the single most brilliant advertising mind in the fashion business. His images have pretty much single-handedly launched at least two labels into the stratosphere. After he left one of them, they attempted to art direct in the same style using two very straightforward, "pretty" commercial shooters and the results have been gawdawful. But they can't get away from trying to imitate him, even badly, because that attitude is the very identity of their label.

Brilliant at tricking wealthy people into thinking he's talented? Absolutely.

But his images are worthless shit.

Now, if I were you, a working professional fashion photographer with photos in big magazines, I'd never talk smack about someone like Terry Richardson either. Word gets around. So I don't blame you.

However ... Since I'm a nobody-hobbist, and I have no aspirations of any critical, published, or monetary success as a photographer, I can open say that Terry's stuff is crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrap!

Feb 20 06 09:52 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:
Now, if I were you, a working professional fashion photographer with photos in big magazines, I'd never talk smack about someone like Terry Richardson either. Word gets around. So I don't blame you.

However ... Since I'm a nobody-hobbist, and I have no aspirations of any critical, published, or monetary success as a photographer, I can open say that Terry's stuff is crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrap!

I have aspirations of critical, published, and monetary success as a photographer and I'll freely agree... Terry Richardson's photography is major crap

Feb 20 06 09:57 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Surely there're more folks out there who've been plagued with bad IMs???

Feb 21 06 02:47 pm Link

Photographer

*2E*

Posts: 251

Yorba Linda, California, US

PetiteSamantha wrote:
LOL! I hate when people do the whole "who is this?" when they contact you first.

one of my pet peeves also samantha!!!!!!!!!!!

Feb 21 06 04:23 pm Link

Photographer

Steven Starr

Posts: 1433

Fort Mill, South Carolina, US

I am so glad I'm not the only one that this has happened too.  I got a similar message from an omp model.

Model:  Hey, yoa  photog?

Me:  Yes

Model:  so?

Me:  Pardon me?  so what?

Model:  I'm modl number blah blah blah

Me:  ok? 

Model:  I just looked at your port...you suck...nevermind.

Me:  wow..you contacted me?

Model:  yes..now I'm blocking you...bye.


WTF?

Feb 22 06 12:01 am Link

Photographer

Steven Starr

Posts: 1433

Fort Mill, South Carolina, US

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:

He's brilliant. The first image always makes me giggle and that second image is effing brilliant. I won't even bother showing you guys some of his better work. It's not for this crowd. BTW, he's probably the single most brilliant advertising mind in the fashion business. His images have pretty much single-handedly launched at least two labels into the stratosphere. After he left one of them, they attempted to art direct in the same style using two very straightforward, "pretty" commercial shooters and the results have been gawdawful. But they can't get away from trying to imitate him, even badly, because that attitude is the very identity of their label.

Glad I don't work for anybody on here...

These shots came from a professional?

Feb 22 06 12:05 am Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Steven Eldridge wrote:
I am so glad I'm not the only one that this has happened too.  I got a similar message from an OMP model.

Model:  Hey, yoa  photog?

Me:  Yes

Model:  so?

Me:  Pardon me?  so what?

Model:  I'm modl number blah blah blah

Me:  ok? 

Model:  I just looked at your port...you suck...nevermind.

Me:  wow..you contacted me?

Model:  yes..now I'm blocking you...bye.


WTF?

Hey, it still doesn't beat the guy asking me for a side of gay sex with his photos lol

Feb 22 06 12:13 am Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Steven Eldridge wrote:
These shots came from a professional?

No, just a GWC with connections & marketing savy.

Feb 22 06 12:13 am Link

Photographer

Steven Starr

Posts: 1433

Fort Mill, South Carolina, US

SLE Photography wrote:

Hey, it still doesn't beat the guy asking me for a side of gay sex with his photos lol

True..but still cracked me up.

Feb 22 06 02:29 am Link

Model

Amouriette

Posts: 47

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Wow, that girl... CHILD... you talked to is so rude... "what are you?" She won't win charm points, that's for sure.

Feb 22 06 02:51 am Link

Photographer

Steven Starr

Posts: 1433

Fort Mill, South Carolina, US

Amourette wrote:
Wow, that girl... CHILD... you talked to is so rude... "what are you?" She won't win charm points, that's for sure.

What are you?  Why are you?  Who are you?  What the hell is your name doing on my IM..I've seen 'em all.  Mind you..."they" are contacting me.

What's really funny is that I use IM at work and all the sudden a message pops up and asked "can you shoot me?".  Now, from my point of view it makes sense..but the person looking over my shoulder was like...huh?

Feb 22 06 02:55 am Link

Model

Amouriette

Posts: 47

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Steven Eldridge wrote:
What's really funny is that I use IM at work and all the sudden a message pops up and asked "can you shoot me?".  Now, from my point of view it makes sense..but the person looking over my shoulder was like...huh?

At least you are allowed to IM at work! big_smile Back at my old job, which I quit... they wouldn't allow anyone to IM because they said it was distracting us. But then they ("they" being the superiors) all had IM so they could chat and waste the day chatting to their friends and family. tongue

Feb 22 06 02:59 am Link

Photographer

Steven Starr

Posts: 1433

Fort Mill, South Carolina, US

Amourette wrote:

At least you are allowed to IM at work! big_smile Back at my old job, which I quit... they wouldn't allow anyone to IM because they said it was distracting us. But then they ("they" being the superiors) all had IM so they could chat and waste the day chatting to their friends and family. tongue

LOL

My company actually requires yahoo.  They didn't deploy an internal messaging system so everyone has to sign up and use it because the company is spread all over the country.

It is really helpful and keep you of the phone for silly things like "hey, what server is that application on" or "is the meeting at 12 eastern or pacific" ?

Feb 22 06 03:07 am Link