Stacy wrote:
*starts singing*"Why cant we be friends... why cant we be friends".  I love hugs too.

Hey Stace... I remember that song.  That goes back aways girl...

Steven Bigler wrote:
Hey Batman... riddle you thus: 

Q: How many of us with actual fashion work, tearsheets, thousands of actual real models shot, insight and clients bothered to read your thread to answer?

A: none (assuming.... and me only by accident.)

I did read it.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
hmmm.. someone's pissy..... I think in my bio on my website I say something to the effect; I let my work speak in forums where my voice cannot be heard. Many of us here have pretty good work and "the work" speaks for itself, others have shitty work, and that speaks too, although a different language, it still speaks.

I can tell you that I'm feeling myself sometimes, other times; I hate everything that I look at that came from me. I'm very confident in my work, both on and off the camera - so muthaf*ck'n what!

My covers, portfolios, tears, and accollades can all be brought to the table if you like, but who does that impress? No one, because damn near zero times has someone contacted me and asked if I had any of them. The work speaks for itself and it fits in places that are designed around its style.

I kinda wish you would have labeled this a RANT because that's what it is.... We all get pissed off, but you know what they say; "It's better to be pissed off, than to be pissed on"



HOWARD NATION

I'll speak first hand for Dodge and say the only thing he brought to the meet and greet was some vodka and cranberry

I can definitely say thought at my first meet and greet I was lucky enough to not experience what you speak of, however from experience with other types of meet and greets, specifically automotive, people def think there shit doesn't stink. Some rightfully so and have 1st place trophies to prove it, others not so much. Usually the people with the 1st place trophies are the most humble.

Select Models wrote:
OK... I'd like to see a show of hands from all the photographers here on MM who have 100's of magazine covers to their credit... worked with hundreds of thousands of models, and make millions of dollars every year... what?... ZERO!... thought so (profit & loss statements will be a must).

I won't mention any names but you stated your schpiel off with a false assumption. I happen to know of a few, most of them are helpful and have a lot less attitude than you might think, and a lot of them like to stay pretty anonymous in places like this.

Steven Bigler wrote:
(FYI you never meet us with our "my shit don't stink attitude" .. because we don't go to your events)

Hallalujah!... now here's a 'no show' that EVERYONE will be GLAD didn't attend...

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
I happen to know of a few, most of them are helpful and have a lot less attitude than you might think, and a lot of them like to stay pretty anonymous in places like this.

WHAT... interesting!  You actually KNOW some MM photographer members that meet this criteria? (100's of magazine covers to their credit... worked with hundreds of thousands of models, and make millions of dollars every year)... COOL... ring their bell and have them chime in here... I soooooooo wanna checkout their awesome port and monster website.  And if they ARE so helpful (as you claim), then how could they BE that helpful by remaining anonymous?...

Zunaphoto wrote:
Humble Pie-Live at the Fillmore, beats your shit.

Oh fur sure... 'Humble Pie'... great 70's band... and 'The Fillmore'... great venue... plenty of bathrooms there too...

Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
Um, isn't it obvious?

Answer... a resounding NO!  I mean come on... BUT HEY... if you ARE out there... just lurking around... here's the microphone... take the stage!  Dont forget the link to your site and a copy of your 'profit and loss' statement.  See... this is how you pull 'superstars' out of the woodwork.  And would we all benefit from meeting someone like this?... hell yeah...

Select Models wrote:
And would we all benefit from meeting someone like this?... hell yeah...

Problem is Gary, they don't benefit from being here in the forums.  I know of two, maybe three, with membership.  Frankly I don't know about the "millions" part though.  I don't do their taxes.

-D

Mike Mancuso wrote:
I'll speak first hand for Dodge and say the only thing he brought to the meet and greet was some vodka and cranberry

I can definitely say thought at my first meet and greet I was lucky enough to not experience what you speak of, however from experience with other types of meet and greets, specifically automotive, people def think there shit doesn't stink. Some rightfully so and have 1st place trophies to prove it, others not so much. Usually the people with the 1st place trophies are the most humble.

Damn.. I thought that I brought a pretty girl with big boobies too.. hmmm.. I guess I'll have to bring 2 pretty girls with big boodies to the next one. Mike we talked about my angle and what I am on the boards to do ;-)

D. Brian Nelson wrote:

Problem is Gary, they don't benefit from being here in the forums.  I know of two, maybe three, with membership.  Frankly I don't know about the "millions" part though.  I don't do their taxes.

-D

Come on DB... toss us those MM numbers... you're holding out on us dude.  I'll send them a message... show them this thread... maybe they'll pull up a chair.  I got some connections down at the 'Franchise Tax Board'... we'll get that 'profit and loss' statement...

Zunaphoto wrote:
Are you serious Gary?  There are indeed several that meet your criteria, mostly.  Can't believe you haven't cruised around to find them.  Oodles of Vogue covers, ex-lovers of mind blowingly famous Models. doin' it for 35 years, etc. I know because some of them have been nice enough to correspond with me and I'm positive, many others here.  They  all, without exception, fall into the category of, "The bigger they are, the nicer they are."  And that has been my experience in toto in this and the Entertainment business in  general.

Come on Zuna... you're holdin out on us too dude... toss us those numbers... you knoooooooow we wanna check'm out...

And about that 'the bigger they are, the nicer they are' comment?... hmmmmm... my granny always told me it's 'the harder they fall'...

Ariette wrote:
I'm no model, I'm just a girl that loves to be photographed and play dress up and put on makeup, LOL. It's all FUN!!   Humble is the way to be. 

Ariette... U go girl... with an attitude like that and the great look you have, you'll do just fine.  Love your 'Ariette 4' shot with the fishnets and yellow pumps... U be jammin girlfren...

Ariette wrote:
I'm no model, I'm just a girl that loves to be photographed and play dress up and put on makeup, LOL. It's all FUN!!   Humble is the way to be. 

Select Models wrote:
Ariette... U go girl... with an attitude like that and the great look you have, you'll do just fine.  Love your 'Ariette 4' shot with the fishnets and yellow pumps... U be jammin girlfren...

I second that...great way to be

Vance wrote:
New Yorkers tend to be more real..LA...Well we live in the world of FLAKERS, haters and"Look at ME's"

V

Yo Vancemeister... no arguement here... LA definitely has its fair share of posers, haters and neverwillbees.  Ricky with his clicky came out here from midwest Bumfuck for the same reason his bimbozoid girlfriend did... to get their names engraved on Hollywoods 'walk of fame'... BUT... If ya take the time to rattle Udo's cage one more time, you might find him agreeing to the fact that NYC has also been infiltrated with its fair share of no talent, starry-eyed fame seekers.  Once they hit these two huge markets (LA/NYC) and discover that it ready DOES take talent (and substancial amounts of cash) to survive here or there... it's usually not long before they tuck their tails between their legs and scurry back to mommy and daddy's cash in Bumfuck...

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Gary:  I never thought I would hear the word "Humble" come from your mouth, but ... I find that I do agree with quite a bit of what you said.

Awwwwww... thanks Alan!  It's funny how time, and events in peoples lives have a way of changing their outlooks on life.  There use to be a more arrogant, sarcastic and argumentative Gary (a few years back that you may have been familar with) who was constantly bitching, sturring the pot and raising hell on a few forums around the web.  I showed that asshole the exit door, and I haven't seen him since.  When you lose too many close relatives and dear friends in a short period of time... it makes you step back and take a HARD look at the man in the mirror.  Life is just too short...

Select Models wrote:

Awwwwww... thanks Alan!  It's funny how time, and events in peoples lives have a way of changing their outlooks on life.  There use to be a more arrogant, sarcastic and argumentative Gary (a few years back that you may have been familar with) who was constantly bitching, sturring the pot and raising hell on a few forums around the web.  I showed that asshole the exit door, and I haven't seen him since.  When you lose too many close relatives and dear friends in a short period of time... it makes you step back and take a HARD look at the man in the mirror.  Life is just too short...

Yeah Gary, you are getting soft and old....like a banana left on the counter too long....LOL


Rock on BRO!

V

Vance wrote:

Yeah Gary, you are getting soft and old....like a banana left on the counter too long....LOL

Rock on BRO!

V

DAMN... I was hopin it wasnt THAT noticable... LOL... guess Im gonna haveta run down to the market and pickup some new nanners...

Select Models wrote:

Hey Stace... I remember that song.  That goes back aways girl...

I know.. I just thought it was perfect for the occasion

Select Models wrote:

Hey Stace... I remember that song.  That goes back aways girl...

I know.. I just thought it was perfect for the occasion

Nedra Veritas wrote:
I "do this for the scars and stories, not the fame."

Ah yes... 'the stories'... a 400 page novel there for sure.  And about that fame shit... highly over-rated... a death sentence to your private life, with paparazzi's photoshoppin your infant children between you and the steering wheel... lol... that's the price of fame Brittney...

Jerry Avenaim wrote:
Gary,

I just stumbled upon this post becuase of the title. I for one did read it, and loved it! Thanks for speaking your mind, and sharing some 'reality check' thoughts.

Damn, it's almost tax time

Jerry Avenaim

notice...only 9 posts on this one...no benefit from us forum suckers

Jerry Avenaim wrote:
Gary, I just stumbled upon this post becuase of the title. I for one did read it, and loved it! Thanks for speaking your mind, and sharing some 'reality check' thoughts. Damn, it's almost tax time

Jerry Avenaim

Hey Jerr... thanks for chimin in dude... chatted with a few times in the shoutbox... yep... I knew you were here.  Me, you and the Vancemeister will have to chug down a brewski together out there on Sunset somewhere... maybe talk about puttin together an awesome (yet affordable) workshop that all the SoCal MMer's could benefit from... I'll shoot ya an e-mail...