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When it comes to ethics and morality, I have piled it on several people, Immanuel Kant-style, and I'll happily do the same here... 'cept I'd have to be sure of some details of your photography offer - because it's really like pulling nails out of a damn board! ;-) 1. When she says treat you well, IS SHE REFERRING TO SEX? Come to think of it, that's not the issue at all: 1. a) When she says treat you well, is she referring to anything where you and she would do something *John* wouldn't like... or consider cheating... or whatever term is appropriate for who he is? Because if so, pregnancy, photography, travel, and the specifics of the *contract* are irrelevant; cheating ain't good. In this case, you wouldn't be the one doing the nasty thing per se, but helping her do so is like acknowledging that it's okay. Mr. Kant says (I hope I do you justice, Prof. Holder of Phil 100!) that a morally wrong action is one where you pursue your own goals and ends without regard for another person's. In this case, she'd be having sexual fun (yes?) while probably knowing John would be mad if he knew. The "crime" isn't doing something that would piss him off. It's in keeping information from him, that, if he knew, would allow him to adjust his relationship to her if he wanted to. So if she wants to have sex and suspects he'd have a problem with it, she is, on the most basic level, absolved morally by telling him her intentions so he can alter his own intentions towards her. The ethical dilemma is on her part; your actions really only stand to support hers, or not. Then, of course, there are responsibility issues... whatever past deals they have made and if they've been coutning on one another for faithfulness... how this will affect the child's life, and so on. If John is aware of all this and fine with it, everything is good, and everyone's happy! If not... yuck. ...hope this helps; if I'm wrong about the details, please correct me, and I'll reconsider my advice. Sonntag Feb 05 06 01:20 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: If you are going to complain, aren't you at least going to deny it? Feb 05 06 04:49 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: LMAO! Don...you hoe Feb 05 06 05:01 am Link Sonntag wrote: Doesn't Rand trump Kant? Isn't mutual selfishness more productive and beneficial than the biggie Kant pulled mistaking morality for ethics? Feb 05 06 07:28 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: you said no to money? Feb 05 06 07:46 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: If you two get along, and she's paying for gas and lodgings PLUS for the shoot.... Feb 05 06 07:56 am Link Crazier Benny wrote: Weird, huh? The only thing I do for money is aerospace engineering. Long story, so I won't repeat it here except to say I used to support myself, my family and a big mortgage with photography and simply hated it. Money doesn't play a role anymore. Feb 05 06 08:20 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: good thing you old me, cause when I do get to cali on a visit whenever that is, I will look you up and want to shoot with you, I offer alcohol Feb 05 06 08:22 am Link Crazy Benny wrote: As a stylist, sure thing. As a model...sorry, I don't do boys. What's that other thing you do? I get confused as I'm like really old. Feb 05 06 08:29 am Link jon mmmayhem wrote: I will bet that she is a good cook. Sounds like lots of apple pie to me. Feb 05 06 08:37 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Confirmed. Based on the quandary you present here more fitting for someone with far less life experience. Feb 05 06 10:36 am Link Sysamsbe wrote: hmmm..i didnt thing "treat you well.." meant sex.....it could have been some other perk Feb 05 06 10:41 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: All models should 'treat" us very "well" Feb 05 06 10:44 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Ask your mom .. or your wife about that .. Feb 05 06 10:47 am Link Louis Braga wrote: Mom's in Minnesota. Ex is pretty much fine with anything (and amused by much of it). That's why I'm asking you guys. Feb 05 06 10:54 am Link Ummm... Last I checked the term "a john" refers to one of 3 things... I'll eliminate the first two... 1) A toilet... I genuinely doubt these pictures are for a toilet in the East. 2)A guy named John... This is a possibility, but to say "a john" would mean that she has multiple male associates named John back East and you are singling just one out to send photos too... Plausible... but in the context I'd call it unlikely. So, this leads me to my assumption of what JOHN you are referring too... A PAYING John... A guy who purchases sex from a prostitute. So let me take a stab at this Pregnant girl with whom you are willing to travel to go take pictures of her just "hanging out naked".... She is an Escort by trade, huh? Not that all Escorts are prostitutes, but i'll at least give the whole sex by proxy to 98% of them... Did I nail this one down or what? Look... As inviting as it might be to have free sex from a pregnant prostitute in exchange for photos may seem, I'd think twice about it.... (and your wording is what has brought me to the conclusion that she is a professional in the business of company) Purchasing sex is just as illegal as trading for it. And if she's an Escort, i'll bet ya $10 monopoly money that she's already marked for soliciting sex as most escorts are. I had a friend that was dating an escort once... I learned a lot from she and her friends who were also in the business... I'd walk on eggshells if I were you and if you know that this is what she is doing... You will go to jail with her if it happens to be time to bust her and you are just there. Feb 05 06 11:00 am Link So most of you think she was offering sex, huh? Interesting... -D Feb 05 06 11:03 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: so .. go for it Feb 05 06 11:07 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: well when you call the guy she's sending photos too A JOHN and not just John.... it leads me to think that she's a prostitute, so yeah... I'd jump to that conclusion. Feb 05 06 11:07 am Link As you noticed, I felt that whatever she was offering was irrelevant... Feb 05 06 11:08 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Well .. she could be offering some coffee or tea .. as well Feb 05 06 11:09 am Link I believe that whether she is offering sex or chicken soup, it is a mikvah to visit a bored pregnant woman and hang out with her...lol. Feb 05 06 11:09 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: that's what I find interesting...the fact the most think Feb 05 06 11:09 am Link So I genuinely would like to know... Was I wrong in guessing her profession?? Feb 05 06 11:09 am Link images by elahi wrote: Well... maybe she meant that she was going to give him lots of illegal drugs. Feb 05 06 11:12 am Link I've given this 30 seconds of intense consideration and the only ethical thing is to marry her. Have a nice life. Feb 05 06 11:22 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Make sure you get a model release from the fetus. Feb 05 06 11:56 am Link Lapis wrote: dear lapis. a mikvah is a moist hot place. i'm not sure a bored pregnant woman wants that. Feb 05 06 12:46 pm Link Vita Brevis wrote: Thank you, John. Feb 05 06 01:48 pm Link Tavuk strikes again?? Feb 05 06 05:04 pm Link Never trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die. *looks around* Feb 05 06 05:24 pm Link Funny, man. And I think your work is great. Feb 05 06 05:39 pm Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: But you have no need for a stylist, since you don't do clothes. Feb 05 06 05:45 pm Link adrienne of Zswana wrote: Bingo! MUA. He's an MUA! Thanks for the hint! Feb 05 06 05:48 pm Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: I dunno if Ayn Rand supports Kant; it was a very introductory Phil 100 course, heh - we didn't cover her views. D. Brian Nelson wrote: I know, I know... I referred to the guy with the name "John" for a little humour, since he is undefined, and also because it saves me saying "the-john-or-whatever-he-is" every time. Now that I weed through the thread again, I guess the moral dilemma may also exist with the child's father... all depends on the nature of the relationships involved. D. Brian Nelson wrote: ...but, dude, if you don't actually know - then was your post really meant to ask for advice? 'Cause I can't give it if you don't even know what she was offering... you should ask her. Maybe it's a nice morning breakfast, and there aren't any ethics involved. Feb 05 06 06:11 pm Link Will work for . . . pretty much anything- I have no shame, hehe Feb 05 06 06:48 pm Link For some reason, I can hear D's laugh all the way from here.  Feb 05 06 09:11 pm Link Flamebait! Too bad not too many people bit. If there is any truth to your inquiry, I'd say do it at your place. She instigated the idea, if she wants it that bad, she should come to you. Feb 06 06 12:54 am Link If the model is of legal age to do such a shoot, then just go do the shoot, get your money, and go home. Feb 06 06 01:01 am Link Damnit I bit. Just call me fish from now on... Feb 06 06 05:43 am Link |
