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Model

DawnElizabeth

Posts: 3907

Madison, Mississippi, US

Sunil Joshi wrote:

DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:

Spoken like a true guy......that's too funny, dude. And what's funnier is....I think you might be serious.

Well, forgive me for trying to attain similar looks to many of your own pictures in your portfolio! Now a look like that comes with a lot of practice! Yes, Dawn, I was only kidding...

NO, I thought the comment was funny, seriously. And I didn't take offense.

Forgive you? Of course.....

Feb 03 06 11:04 am Link

Photographer

Sean Armenta

Posts: 1560

Los Angeles, California, US

i wish...

i should be so lucky...

Feb 03 06 11:06 am Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Struggle Dezign Co wrote:
I have worked with over 8 photographers last year alone and the common dialogue was which models they have screwed or they wish to have sex with. Is this that common in the industry?

Craig Thomson wrote:
I certainly hope your kidding, how utterly unprofessional and disrespectful towards the industry.

You hit the nail on the head.

Feb 03 06 11:22 am Link

Photographer

EmArEn

Posts: 21

Mission Viejo, California, US

A long time ago, when I was very young....

I used to advertise in a local weekly newspaper, looking for models that wanted to build their portfolio. A youngish girl calls me, asks about my rates, and work etc. We meet up for coffee to discuss her requirements, and my idea's and come to a mutual agreement to shoot the following Sunday.

The shoot went really badly, she was incapable of taking any form of instruction, and spent more time talking about her BF than actually looking where I requested.

I plugged away at it, and often tripped the flash so that she would relax, and I took the actual photo I was looing for.

As the session was crawling to an end, she asked if I would do some 'topless' shots, I was a little hesitant, she really did not look as if she had the body to pull it off, but agreed, after all, I am a professional, I have seen worse...

She literally ripped her top off, and fell into typical chest out, shoulders-back poses, and I took a few shots that I figured would be 'OK', then she stepped out of her pants, and underwear !

Well again, I looked for the more arty shots, and the more I tried to avoid the more pornographic images, the more she dropped into 'those' poses.

I cut the session, because I was embarassed for her, if she was looking for nudes, no problem, but a razor and/or some scissors would have been a good idea.

So, I call it to a halt, and she wanders over to me, asking how good she looked. I may have been a little tactless, I said something about the final few not really being terribly sexy, she falls into the 'oh, so you don't think I am sexy'.

Long story short, she came on seriously hard to me, and I declined.

After she left, I hit the darkroom (remember them), developed the film, produced contact prints for her to collect a few days later.

Just as I had finished, there was a hammering on the door, the 'model' had come back, and had a gorilla with her (well I *think* he was a gorilla, he was about 300lbs, 6-4, and kind of slack-jawed). I opened the door to her, and the gorilla hit me straight on the chin - throwing me about 10 feet backwards.

He launched at me, and in between beeting me senseless, accused me of 'screwing his girl'.

They left, after heling theirselves to a few trinkets, and I called the cop.

Turns out that she had got back upset, told her that I had tried to rape her, and he decided to 'teach me a lesson'. She later confessed to the cops, and he was released eventually after I decided not to press charges.

I tend to be a little more selective nowadays !

Feb 03 06 11:24 am Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

Christopher Bush wrote:

you mean all those pornos are lying to me?

yep all lies!

Feb 03 06 12:22 pm Link

Photographer

GIRL ART

Posts: 77

Midlothian, Illinois, US

For myself, when I'm trying my best to create a good set of pictures of a pretty model, whether she has clothes on or she's naked as a buck, fantasizing about screwing her is the last thing on my mind.

Feb 03 06 12:35 pm Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

Struggle Dezign Co wrote:
I have worked with over 8 photographers last year alone and the common dialogue was which models they have screwed or they wish to have sex with. Is this that common in the industry?

they're probably closet gays...(diversion)

Feb 03 06 12:44 pm Link

Photographer

Bill Tracy Photography

Posts: 2322

Montague, New Jersey, US

EmArEn wrote:
..........He launched at me, and in between beeting me senseless, accused me of 'screwing his girl'.

They left, after heling theirselves to a few trinkets, and I called the cop.

Turns out that she had got back upset, told her that I had tried to rape her, and he decided to 'teach me a lesson'. She later confessed to the cops, and he was released eventually after I decided not to press charges.

I tend to be a little more selective nowadays !

What a nightmare!

Feb 03 06 12:45 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

GIRL ART wrote:
For myself, when I'm trying my best to create a good set of pictures of a pretty model, whether she has clothes on or she's naked as a buck, fantasizing about screwing her is the last thing on my mind.

thats ideal and professional but not everybody is like that

Feb 03 06 12:45 pm Link

Photographer

Mortonovich

Posts: 6209

San Diego, California, US

Struggle Dezign Co wrote:
I have worked with over 8 photographers last year alone and the common dialogue was which models they have screwed or they wish to have sex with. Is this that common in the industry?

No, this is not common and says more about your decisions in who you choose to work with. Careful.

Feb 03 06 12:49 pm Link

Photographer

images by elahi

Posts: 2523

Atlanta, Georgia, US

vanscottie wrote:
yet another new thread of a tired theme...this has been discussed at least three times that I'm aware of and prolly a few other times that I'm not aware of.

It happens now and then

the vast majority of the time it is totally consentual

No force on Earth can stop it

sometimes it leads to goodness and mutual wonderfulness and sometimes it leads to badness and mutual pissyness

just like in any other activity where boys and girls interact

thank you thank you thank you...do you think this will stop the question? hell no, give it three days LOL and it will be asked again...maybe folks should read some biographies by models and entertainers?

Feb 03 06 12:58 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

The Dezigner Emporium

Posts: 88

Chicago, Illinois, US

Chip Morton wrote:

No, this is not common and says more about your decisions in who you choose to work with. Careful.

Has nothing to do with me. I have no intrinsic idea about the photographers personality before we shoot my dezigns. They often contact me due to their admiration for my dezigns and would like to add some of them to their portfolios. I am open to their creative vision and various expressions of my fashions through their lens. It is usually after the shoot that the "Lustful Intentions/Past Actions" are expressed. It could just be that since I am straight it is assumed that I often Hit it (screw my models) as well. On being careful it is not my responsiblilty to dictate their adgendas. Just to accept their (photographers) astounding vision and photography skills.

Feb 03 06 01:28 pm Link

Photographer

UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

This does NOT happen! I think this discussion is just for kicks.
Please, we are professionals

Feb 03 06 01:31 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

The Dezigner Emporium

Posts: 88

Chicago, Illinois, US

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
This does NOT happen! I think this discussion is just for kicks.
Please, we are professionals

Oh yes it does, trust me...or there are some great liars in photography and modeling.

Feb 03 06 01:36 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

The Dezigner Emporium

Posts: 88

Chicago, Illinois, US

Also I am not just focusing on photographers....models talk too. The ladies are not inhibited in their conversations about sex in the industry.

Feb 03 06 01:38 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Hell.  Weekend before last as a matter of fact.  He can name himself if he wants, I know he reads/watching the forums.  It was great.  And it'll help our photographer/model relationship in the future (mostly because of the type of photograhper he is and the type of model I am).  Granted we didn't shoot at all that weekend, but girls will be girls, boys will be boys, and I happen to know that not all wives/girlfirends or husbands/boyfriends mind.  I cant wait until next time.

Feb 03 06 01:41 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Struggle Dezign Co wrote:
I have worked with over 8 photographers last year alone and the common dialogue was which models they have screwed or they wish to have sex with. Is this that common in the industry?

This might be common for photographers to brag about who they screw if you like to chose those who are uncouth, immature, rude pigs.

oink-oink, ..... snort

Bevis & Butthead photographers, I would say.

Personally, I never hit on models. I have a pretty absolute strict rule for myself not to get sexually involved with models, employees and tenants. That's risky and unprofessional behavior.

https://i.pbase.com/o4/58/623858/1/53824991.200512197824w.jpg
I reserve the good stuff for people I date on a personal level.

Feb 03 06 01:43 pm Link

Model

Andon

Posts: 121

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

Struggle Dezign Co wrote:
Any models with any opinions? Thus far its a photographers world. Models speak up!?

Well, I can't really say anything - I've never been propositioned by any of the photographers I've worked with.  *shrug*

Thought, a few that I do know have said lots of photographers go through what they call PGS - Pretty Girl Syndrome.  Something about a situation where nature tells you REPRODUCE!  GOOD GENES THERE!  But most decent photographers realize that this is WORK and they just learn to ignore it.  Now - what they do after they leave the shoot - hell if I know, and I don't really care.

Feb 03 06 01:44 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Aesa wrote:
Hell.  Weekend before last as a matter of fact.  He can name himself if he wants, I know he reads/watching the forums.  It was great.  And it'll help our photographer/model relationship in the future (mostly because of the type of photograhper he is and the type of model I am).  Granted we didn't shoot at all that weekend, but girls will be girls, boys will be boys, and I happen to know that not all wives/girlfirends or husbands/boyfriends mind.  I cant wait until next time.

Just some clarification:  This wasn't because we felt any obligation to one another for past or future photoshoots as a model and photographer.  We happen to be them, we also happen to be human and like each other.  We didn't shoot that day specifically to keep the two separate.  Thank you for your time.  You'll also notice that I didn't name him because IMO, its uncouth to say "I slept with so-and-so", not so much to say "I slept with a model/photographer".  Simple truth to the second one, not bragging.

Feb 03 06 01:50 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

EmArEn wrote:
He launched at me, and in between beeting me senseless, accused me of 'screwing his girl'.

Turns out that she had got back upset, told her that I had tried to rape her, and he decided to 'teach me a lesson'. She later confessed to the cops, and he was released eventually after I decided not to press charges.

I tend to be a little more selective nowadays !

you are lucky she came back with a gorilla, rather than a lawyer

Feb 03 06 01:59 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Aesa wrote:
Just some clarification:  This wasn't because we felt any obligation to one another for past or future photoshoots as a model and photographer.  We happen to be them, we also happen to be human and like each other.  We didn't shoot that day specifically to keep the two separate.  Thank you for your time.  You'll also notice that I didn't name him because IMO, its uncouth to say "I slept with so-and-so", not so much to say "I slept with a model/photographer".  Simple truth to the second one, not bragging.

ROFLMAO ...HAHAHA   .... The poor guy is probably sweating bullets with all your pontification.

You crack me up. How many photographers do we know here from Wisconsin who have their trademark name plastered all over the photos in your portfolio?

You may have just punched your ticket, my dear. You might discover that being  more discrete will get you laid more than waving flags.

Butt, who Nose? Maybe your way works better ;-)

Feb 03 06 02:19 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Click Hamilton wrote:

ROFLMAO ...HAHAHA   .... The poor guy is probably sweating bullets with all your pontification.

You crack me up. How many photographers do we know here from Wisconsin who have their trademark name plastered all over the photos in your portfolio?

You may have just punched your ticket, my dear. You might discover that being  more discrete will get you laid more than waving flags.

Butt, who Nose? Maybe your way works better ;-)

Hehe.  He knows he was mentioned in the forum, and doens't mind as long as his name wasn't mentioned.  And what are you (read: anyone) going to do, mail everyone in my credits list and ask them if they slept with me?  Yeah right.  Not to mention, which one is going to answer yay/nay?  Again, saying "I slept with so-n-so" can make it someone elses business, saying "I slept with a model/photographer" doesn't.

Feb 03 06 02:28 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Aesa wrote:
Hehe.

cool.

life is sweet ;-)

Feb 03 06 02:31 pm Link

Photographer

EmArEn

Posts: 21

Mission Viejo, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:

you are lucky she came back with a gorilla, rather than a lawyer

That would have been a hell of a lot easier to deal with, rather than having several broken ribs, broken nose, and requiring a bunch of stitches.

Feb 03 06 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

Puh-leez!!

Those guys were lying to hide the fact that they're virgins!  Everyone knows that people in any given industry completely ignore natural human urges and consensual arrangements.  And everyone knows that all photographers are ugly or else they would be on the other side of the lens.  Further, no self-respecting photographer would admit to it if it actually happened (which, of course, it hasn't) for the mere fact that he or she would automatically qualify for the distinction of GWC based on a technicality. 


:::sarcasm off:::


Seriously though, I can only speak for myself.  It's never happened for me.  Apparently the models I've worked with have too much personal decency to debase themselves with a creep like me.

Feb 03 06 02:56 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
You might discover that being  more discrete will get you laid more than waving flags.

My b/f has no problem getting me laid thanks, so I don't have that issue.  And like I mentioned, not all significant others have issues with things like this.  I specifically got permission from mine before hand.

My whole point of posting though was merely to say that yes, photographers and models do sleep together, but its not an industry standard and its not required to forward your career.  It was simply two people attracted to one another.

Feb 03 06 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

lll

Posts: 12295

Seattle, Washington, US

Aesa wrote:
My whole point of posting though was merely to say that yes, photographers and models do sleep together, but its not an industry standard and its not required to forward your career.  It was simply two people attracted to one another.

Well said.

And I can see your mailbox is now jammed with TFP requests from the GWCs.  lol

Feb 03 06 03:08 pm Link

Photographer

Jordan Hamilton May

Posts: 276

Lake Forest, California, US

Something that I always find amusing with threads like this is that if the photographer and model end up having sex, its always the photographer that is blamed. You all do realize it takes two to tango right? Its no different than if Mary and Joe who work for First Mortgage Company have sex because they got to know each other well at the workplace. As long as both adults are wanting this then why is there a discussion?

Now, I will say that one party pressuring another into this is morally and professionally wrong. But that goes for anyone in any way pressuring someone into sex. Wrong.

JM

Feb 03 06 03:15 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

lll wrote:

Well said.

And I can see your mailbox is now jammed with TFP requests from the GWCs.  lol

Hahaha.  Doubt it.  Hell, I even have my IM info up on my page and I still don't get haunted by GWCs.  Besides.  I'm picky.  I don't sleep with just ANYONE. smile  GWCs can kiss my ass...wait, retract...they proably want to.  And you have to prove you are a photographer of acceptable quality or repute first.

Feb 03 06 03:19 pm Link

Photographer

Voice of Reason

Posts: 8741

Anaheim, California, US

I got popcorn, jujubees, and a large soda.....who wants what....did I miss much?

Feb 03 06 03:19 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

David Moyle wrote:
I got popcorn, jujubees, and a large soda.....who wants what....did I miss much?

Jujubees are okay, but Sour Patch Kids are better.

Feb 03 06 03:27 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

David Moyle wrote:
I got popcorn, jujubees, and a large soda.....who wants what....did I miss much?

Aesa just proclaimed her polyamorous nature...you forgot the Bon-bons didn't you...damn you...I wanted Bon-bons...go back to the counter!

Feb 03 06 03:28 pm Link

Photographer

Mark-NewStart

Posts: 26

Chicago, Illinois, US

Maybe it's the age, but I was brought up never to kiss and tell.   And away from here where I earn my real money, I have always tended to hold at a lower standard those that stand around and talk about who is sleeping with whom.     So all those girls I haven't slept with, your secret is safe, and any of those that I might have, it just never happened.

Feb 03 06 03:31 pm Link

Photographer

Voice of Reason

Posts: 8741

Anaheim, California, US

James Jackson wrote:
Aesa just proclaimed her polyamorous nature...you forgot the Bon-bons didn't you...damn you...I wanted Bon-bons...go back to the counter!

Crap!

So wait. Aesa's polyamorous? Wow, good for her, good for the lucky guys (or girls)! This place is gettin good!

Feb 03 06 03:34 pm Link

Photographer

Voice of Reason

Posts: 8741

Anaheim, California, US

Aesa wrote:

Jujubees are okay, but Sour Patch Kids are better.

I'm old school.

Feb 03 06 03:36 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

David Moyle wrote:

Crap!

So wait. Aesa's polyamorous? Wow, good for her, good for the lucky guys (or girls)! This place is gettin good!

Considering I just mentioned that I got my boyfriends permission to sleep with another man?  I don't think I came out and said it, but good deduction.

*curtsy*

Feb 03 06 04:01 pm Link

Photographer

Voice of Reason

Posts: 8741

Anaheim, California, US

Aesa wrote:

Considering I just mentioned that I got my boyfriends permission to sleep with another man?  I don't think I came out and said it, but good deduction.

*curtsy*

I didn't deduce it, the word polyamourous came from the previous poster I quoted.

Feb 03 06 04:07 pm Link

Model

-suede-

Posts: 846

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

David Moyle wrote:

I didn't deduce it, the word polyamourous came from the previous poster I quoted.

Wasn't specifying you as the originator of the deduction, just that it was a good one.  And true in this case.

Feb 03 06 04:23 pm Link

Photographer

La Perle Le Paon

Posts: 29

Portland, Oregon, US

Jay Bowman: "And everyone knows that all photographers are ugly or else they would be on the other side of the lens.  Further, no self-respecting photographer would admit to it if it actually happened"

I am NOT ugly. Have never been on the other side of the lens other than for self-portraits, not because I am a prude, but culturally I found empowerment on this side of the camera. I enjoy the privledges that gives me...seeing things and having experiences I know that many others cannot in the Middle-East.

In doing private photoshoots I always took someone with me, and had a driver waiting outside. Given the segregation in Middle-Eastern/arab/muslim society, this was to protect myself first. How easy it could have been for a man to have a women schedule a shoot and in turn hurt me.

It's always wiser to be a step ahead.

As to having advances made towards me, I have had to leave after a princess tried to grope my breasts, and in the US, threaten a man with a restraining order after  he stalked me. We met when I approached him and asked if he would be interested in modeling. All it took was my giving him my card.

Yes, there are models who need to lighten up. When they try to be sexy they end up looking like they're trying too hard and the pictures reflect that. It's wonderful when a woman, or a man, is comfortable with their sensuality and sexuality infront of the camera. A little flirting, perhaps even a drink. But more is unwarranted unless one wants a reputation as being unprofessional, regardless what side of the camera one is on.

Feb 03 06 04:44 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

La Perle Le Paon wrote:
I am NOT ugly. Have never been on the other side of the lens other than for self-portraits, not because I am a prude, but culturally I found empowerment on this side of the camera...

I was being sarcastic.

Perhaps I should take the advice someone presented on another thread and do sarcasm in a different font...

Feb 03 06 04:47 pm Link