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D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

...finish last?

"He's such a teddy bear."

Question to the panel:  Is it a good thing to be a nice guy?  Uh, as far as photography goes or something...

-D

Jan 24 06 06:39 pm Link

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Posts: 4576

Nice guys? Well, my bestfriend is constantly telling me "you're a real asshole" and I trust her judgement ... well, most of the time. wink

Jan 24 06 06:43 pm Link

Photographer

Rick Edwards

Posts: 6185

Wilmington, Delaware, US

it works for me
I got no time to waste on hatin'

Jan 24 06 06:49 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

I don't know... I don't think nice guys get turned down for photo shoots.

Jan 24 06 06:54 pm Link

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Iona Lynn

Posts: 11176

Oakland, California, US

Yes it is good to be a nice guy.
nice comes in handy when your stuck nekked of a rock in 50 degree weather.
or introduce you to others and help you meet new photographers.
nice photogs don't insult you if you say you don't want wine.

I have met a few photogs that are very pompus.

Jan 24 06 06:55 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Iona Lynn wrote:
Yes it is good to be a nice guy.
nice comes in handy when your stuck nekked of a rock in 50 degree weather.
or introduce you to others and help you meet new photographers.
nice photogs don't insult you if you say you don't want wine.

I have met a few photogs that are very pompus.

Hey, if I make it up there, or you down here can I be nice to you? wink

Jan 24 06 06:56 pm Link

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Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Treat others how you wish to be treated. I like being treated nicely

Jan 24 06 06:58 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45475

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Interesting!   Most of the time I've been called a nice guy, but there are a few people who think I'm a real asshole too!  I am happy with who I am!  It doesn't concern me if anyone doesn't like me, because I am who I am, and don't care to change for anyone else. 

There always will be those who just don't like you no matter how nice you are ... hows it go now?  You can be a fool some of the time, but you can't be a fool all the time?  LOL  yea, I know that's not exactly it, but I do come in contact with some people who I just don't want to work with  ... nothing bad about myself or that person.  We just don't get along.  Otherwise, it's good if most people like you! wink

Jan 24 06 07:19 pm Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:
hows it go now?  You can be a fool some of the time, but you can't be a fool all the time?

Actually, I think it IS possible to be a fool all of the time. wink

Jan 24 06 07:20 pm Link

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Richard Beebe

Posts: 217

Tracy, California, US

I'd rather be known as a nice guy, than you.

I like to know someone before I allow my politically incorrect sense of humor out of the bag.

Jan 24 06 07:22 pm Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Richard Beebe wrote:
I'd rather be known as a nice guy, than you.

I like to know someone before I allow my politically incorrect sense of humor out of the bag.

It takes too much energy to remember who I can be myself around. wink

Jan 24 06 07:26 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

I like to think I'm a nice guy and since many of the girls I have shot with keep coming back to me, I must be doing something right.

In fact, one asked ME take photos of her while she's pregnant.  Just did that last Sunday.

Jan 24 06 07:27 pm Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

DigitalCMH wrote:
I like to think I'm a nice guy and since many of the girls I have shot with keep coming back to me, I must be doing something right.

In fact, one asked ME take photos of her while she's pregnant.  Just did that last Sunday.

Lucky man. I've been wanting to get ahold of a pregnant model for a while. Problem is that I am looking to do simple nudes and abstracts.

Jan 24 06 07:28 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Harvey

Posts: 1055

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Mean or people with hatred in their hearts suck!

Jan 24 06 07:32 pm Link

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Les Sterling

Posts: 439

Palm Springs, California, US

I prefer to be the nice guy - especially when I'm in the presence of a bastard. It just makes me seem that much nicer by contrast.

Generally, a little kindness and compassion go a long way. You don't have to suffer fools and be a doormat to be nice, just don't be too impressed with yourself, and be prepared to admit when you don't know something.

"The bigger the talk, the smaller the co..." well, you get the point.

Jan 24 06 07:33 pm Link

Model

Iona Lynn

Posts: 11176

Oakland, California, US

Mikel Featherston wrote:

Hey, if I make it up there, or you down here can I be nice to you? wink

I have been thinking of a trip to so cal LA soon.

Jan 24 06 08:39 pm Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Iona Lynn wrote:

I have been thinking of a trip to so cal LA soon.

I have been known to drive up to LA on occasion. If the timing ends up right, I'd love the chance to meet with you.

Jan 24 06 08:40 pm Link

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grsphoto

Posts: 313

Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

I have the feeling that on my tombstone it will read  "nice guy"


grs

Jan 24 06 08:45 pm Link

Photographer

Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

grsphoto wrote:
I have the feeling that on my tombstone it will read  "nice guy"


grs

Hey, consider yourself lucky! Think of the 'not nice' guys who ended up dumped in the backwoods, without a tombstone. Or the ones who ended up as pig food. wink

Jan 24 06 08:47 pm Link

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'Monk

Posts: 1779

Denver, Colorado, US

Works for me smile I'm really only an asshole when I need to be. The rest of the time I am a sweetheart smile

Jan 24 06 08:48 pm Link

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Jack North

Posts: 855

Benicia, California, US

I think it pays off over time. It may suck once in awhile when someone takes advantage of you, but in the long run, you will be better off.

Nice guys   -> You gotta love 'em.

Jan 24 06 10:19 pm Link

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Jack North

Posts: 855

Benicia, California, US

oh yeah, and karma.

Jan 24 06 10:20 pm Link

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Nihilus

Posts: 10888

Nashville, Tennessee, US

I'd been pondering this topic for some time. Interesting topic in conjunction with the previous "deathly shy" thread.

Personally, I've never had that certain arrogance about me that translates wonderfully in the world of human courtship. However, my generally nice, sometimes-wacky, easy-going, attentive and respectful demeanor fits perfectly into a more professional setting and it seems to do wonders at putting the models I've worked with at ease and making for a comfortable and lighthearted environment (or so I'm told...big_smile).

I guess whether that's considered finishing last or not all depends on your intent.

Jan 25 06 02:35 am Link

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Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Question to the panel:  Is it a good thing to be a nice guy?

Yes, of course. It never hurts to be a gracious gentleman.
However, nobody likes a spineless wuss.

Jan 25 06 07:32 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Sorry, .. had to delete this post

Jan 25 06 07:38 pm Link

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Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

Me?  A gentleman at all times, but...

51% nice guy.

49% asshole.


Just don't test my limits and everything will be fine.

Jan 25 06 07:44 pm Link

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T H Taylor

Posts: 6862

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Yes, nice guys do finish last but....
They at least finish.


Assholes never make it through the whole race (unless, of course, they have the help of a nice guy!).

Jan 25 06 09:59 pm Link

Photographer

500 Gigs of Desire

Posts: 3833

New York, New York, US

I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Miami, the assholes are the ones that "get all the girls" . . Never could quite figure that one out tongue

Jan 25 06 10:01 pm Link

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Hamza

Posts: 7791

New York, New York, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
...finish last?

"He's such a teddy bear."

Question to the panel:  Is it a good thing to be a nice guy?  Uh, as far as photography goes or something...

-D

For being a photog, nice guy always better for business...

As for getting laid, Women love (bad boys)assholes...

Jan 25 06 10:04 pm Link

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Moraxian

Posts: 2607

Germantown, Maryland, US

Despite the subject matter of my shoots, most models I work with consider me to be a pretty nice guy.  I do my best to make sure everyone is happy during and after the shoot, plus we have fun at the shoot.  More often than not we have to take breaks so the models (and everyone else) can get the giggles out of their systems....and at the end of the shoot, there's always hugs for everyone.  big_smile

Jan 26 06 08:00 am Link

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John Lavery

Posts: 304

Manchester, Connecticut, US

grsphoto wrote:
I have the feeling that on my tombstone it will read  "nice guy"


grs

My tombstone is going to say "I'm not even supposed to be here today!"

Jan 26 06 08:46 am Link

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bman

Posts: 1126

Hollywood, Alabama, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
...finish last?

"He's such a teddy bear."

Question to the panel:  Is it a good thing to be a nice guy?  Uh, as far as photography goes or something...

-D

Just be into your photography and be yourself....there simply is no rule here.
Never be toooo nice is my rule of thumb,
but being a crass a-hole when it's out of character is simply juvenile.
Younger girls tend to respond more to a-holes from my experience.
My conduct.
Nice guy, with great humor....NEVER fails.

Jan 26 06 08:51 am Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Question to the panel:  Is it a good thing to be a nice guy?  Uh, as far as photography goes or something...

Oh my gosh, has someone accused you of being nice?

So are you asking is it better to be nice rather than an arse?

Who knows?  I always that I was a nice guy, but I am not sure everyone would agree.

Jan 26 06 09:02 am Link

Model

DawnElizabeth

Posts: 3907

Madison, Mississippi, US

Bad Boys rule.

Jan 26 06 09:05 am Link

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The Don Mon

Posts: 3315

Ocala, Florida, US

DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
Bad Boys rule.

then they come for you....bad boys ,bad boys ,whatcha' gonna do when they come for you,
bad boys, bad boys....lol

Jan 26 06 09:19 am Link

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Morton Visuals

Posts: 1773

Hope, Idaho, US

Mikel Featherston wrote:
I don't know... I don't think nice guys get turned down for photo shoots.

Yes, nice guys do. And the guys that seem to work consistently are the ones who usually come across (to me, anyways) as arrogant a$$holes. No Eric, I'm not singling you out!  ;-)

Here's an interesting example:
While in the USN, I got turned down often for shoots, with (non-agency) models and simply attractive women that I thought would photograph well. I heard from a couple of lady friends that I was too clean cut and nice, and women assumed that I was trying to "pick up hotties."
When I got out of the Navy, I grew my hair long and grew a goatee - went for a Rob Zombie look, to try to get away from the previous image and look more like "an artist." I got more work that first year (paid *and* TFP/TFCD) than in the previous 2 yrs combined!
https://themakeupartist.com/images/Shooter.jpg

Wm

Jan 26 06 11:09 am Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Second Glance wrote:

Yes, nice guys do. And the guys that seem to work consistently are the ones who usually come across (to me, anyways) as arrogant a$$holes. No Eric, I'm not singling you out!  ;-)

Here's an interesting example:
While in the USN, I got turned down often for shoots, with (non-agency) models and simply attractive women that I thought would photograph well. I heard from a couple of lady friends that I was too clean cut and nice, and women assumed that I was trying to "pick up hotties."
When I got out of the Navy, I grew my hair long and grew a goatee - went for a Rob Zombie look, to try to get away from the previous image and look more like "an artist." I got more work that first year (paid *and* TFP/TFCD) than in the previous 2 yrs combined!

Wm

But that is appearance, not personality.

Jan 26 06 11:12 am Link

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Morton Visuals

Posts: 1773

Hope, Idaho, US

Mikel Featherston wrote:
But that is appearance, not personality.

But I think your appearance colors people's perception of you. Think of going on a job interview in a nice suit compared to going in cargo pants and a t-shirt. Regardless of what you say or how you act, people will judge you from your visual.

Just my 2¢... your milage may vary!  :-)

Wm

Jan 26 06 11:18 am Link

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Mikel Featherston

Posts: 11103

San Diego, California, US

Second Glance wrote:

But I think your appearance colors people's perception of you. Think of going on a job interview in a nice suit compared to going in cargo pants and a t-shirt. Regardless of what you say or how you act, people will judge you from your visual.

Just my 2¢... your milage may vary!  :-)

Wm

Good points.

P.S. Your 'artist' picture looks like a police mug shot. wink

Jan 26 06 11:23 am Link

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ThefStopsHere

Posts: 2387

Olympia, Washington, US

Craig Thomson wrote:
Treat others how you wish to be treated. I like being treated nicely

yup...  nice is the way to go.  Personally, I find it difficult to be any different.  I have no time for hate or haters.

But, that said, you also have to have strong boundaries if you're going to be nice or the "assh*les" like Eric M-B. [jk] will step all over you.

Jan 26 06 11:24 am Link