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Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Joe K. Perez: Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Hugh Jorgen ©: You know Hugh, what if someone who is doing martial arts as long as us (I didn't teach until later, but I am a martial artist since 1972) is turning psycho? Hi Udo. Sorry. I know you were asking Hugh, but I couldn't resist chiming in. In this case, when confronted with a psycho, one is now in the realm of the "mental". No amount of training can deter a psycho who is determined to harm you. Psychos are unpredictable in their actions and can catch anyone off guard in a split second. That's because we don't have eyes on the back of our heads. I would say, if one is in that situation and has the opportunity, fight fire with better fire and prove yourself capable of being more psycho than the psycho. In other words, turn the tables around and scare the shit out the psycho. EXACTLY! Now... what else if not immediate danger warrants a bodyguard at a photoshoot? dude youra big guy!! Jun 08 05 02:29 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Cyndiemyst: You know... I am wondering what exactly you expect to be protected from? Barry Glassner's Culture of Fear does a great job examining this very issue. Jun 08 05 02:30 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by LarryB: The cat example is different... a cat is a natural predator that kills its prey with razorsharp claws that is retracted when in a tame situation. Man, you missed the point by such a long way it's amazing. This is what I hate about internet forums, people sieze something out of context and run with it. Come to think of it, I hate politics for the same reason. Jun 08 05 02:32 pm Link Posted by Shyly: *grin* Sorry Shyly. Victim mentality is something that's followed us through the gene evolution. It comes from that fear of being eaten by a big, nasty and sharp teefed predator, or when the lights go out. As the world matured and people learned how to become combatants, the victim mentality helped those who discovered how to use the weak and vulnerable look to catch their enemies off guard and win the fight. As the world graduated into what we know it as today, some very savvy people have learned to use the victim mentality and the vulnerable look for personal financial gain. Jun 08 05 02:36 pm Link Posted by KM von Seidl: I wanted to get that book for a long time and never did... but I know of it and wanted to mention it as well. Jun 08 05 02:37 pm Link you know if I really wanted to attack someone, the weight of a large lens is all I'd need I mean you can get in close as you want without alarming the person then *Whack*. So... if you goto a shoot and you see the photographer using a large lens, that looks like it's been a lil dinged up, thats your cue to leave. (hehe for those who didnt notice I was being sarcastic) Jun 08 05 03:02 pm Link Posted by Mark H. Edwards: Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Cyndiemyst: You know... I am wondering what exactly you expect to be protected from? I honestly don't think that most models are as worried about us doing something unprofessional than they are about their safety while they are intransit to and from the shoot. All that plus... Jun 08 05 03:13 pm Link Hell, if your photographer is a serial killer / perver stalker, then your gynocologist could be a rapist that drugs you unconcious. Hell maybe your escort isnt an escort at all  .Jun 08 05 03:18 pm Link Posted by Shyly: Oh, hey. Thanks for acknowledging that. Didn't catch this thread until now. Posted by Hugh Jorgen ©: EXCUSE ME!? Jun 08 05 10:07 pm Link My mother put my sister and I in karate so we'd learn to take care of ourselves to some extent. This also taught self defense. I'm a 3 time national karate champion and I've learned one very important lesson. You never can be to safe. I have the ability to fight off, harm an attacker enough to get away. I am small and I know someone can over power me so yes I have to be careful. I also warn someone that has the intent on attacking me that I will fight back LOUDLY. I have experienced situations two times.. One had to call the police for assistance and another warned a man that approached me in a parking lot in the dark. I believe every girl/woman should learn self defense. It's not in the reason they can go out and beat someone up, but for the fact that over 50% of women in a dangerous situation will freeze other then respond to an attacker. Practice will give you the reflex to protect yourself and maybe save your life. Also being taught by a good instructor/sensei they teach you that it's not full proof, it's just a means to get away. DEFENSE! Also helps to take away some of that fear and gives you an inner strength. Sorry this is a strong topic to me for personal reasons. But being told you should do this when something happens and actually practicing it are two totally different things. If meeting up with strangers a chaperone/friend for what ever the situation to me is important. Note on this part: Not everything is situated around the photographer when taking a chaperone either. If you travel a great distance and not knowing the location well it's good to have someone with you traveling. Stops along the way, getting lost etc. it's just more comforting having someone with you. Jun 08 05 10:46 pm Link Posted by AshleyDanielle: An instructor once gave me some advice that I never forgot. Jun 08 05 10:53 pm Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by AshleyDanielle: An instructor once gave me some advice that I never forgot. lol yes!! exactly.. back to the basics helps a lot Jun 08 05 10:55 pm Link Sometimes it's hard to be a woman... I don't know any male models that take escorts/chaperones with them to shoots. I agree that society to an extent does have women trained to expect to victimized at every turn and it's true women ARE more prone to certain types of violence. A lot of models just assume that there is safety in numbers and refuse to go anywhere alone. But stastically, you are more likely to be assualted by someone you know than a stranger. A lot of this is probably because you are more cautious and vigilant around strangers than around people you know. So when someone asks why shoot with a photographer if you don't trust him, it's pretty much always a man asking that. Women are groomed not to trust any strangers ever. We are taught we are potential victims every time we leave the house. For my part, I hate having extra people milling around. Photoshoots are boring and I don't feel the need to bore an escort. I do check references thoroughly (ask Capt Stu Beans), but I know many models if they respond at all, will say nothing if they've had a bad experience. I can't recall one model ever telling me she felt unsafe at a shoot in all the hundreds of references I've checked. But I still ask, because maybe someone will tell. So I stay vigilant. I don't do bondage work or in any other way restrain myself. I don't shoot in a location I could be stranded in. And, apparently, I carry myself like one bad mofo. So far, so good. Jun 08 05 11:50 pm Link If there's a shoot I go to with a friend or on my on I make sure to give my dad ALL the info. For example: the photographers first and lasy name, a home and cell number, the address of the shoot, time of the shoot, home addresss if possible. I also call my dad when arrive at the shoot and every hour or when im not busy like when I'm changing wardrobe I'll call him just to check up. Me and my dad are very close and I still live at home so you know parents they are always concerned about their little baby. Jun 09 05 12:23 am Link Stick your finger down your throught and vomit on yourself. Really grose, but that's the point. Not many people would want to get close to you after that. You won't need to spend 4 years in the military or years in a karate dojo learning something you might not ever need. And you won't break a nail. That's my thinking outside the bun tip of the day. Jun 09 05 11:47 am Link Throat, throught, throte.. lol Whichever one you think will produce the best results. Jun 09 05 12:03 pm Link Posted by AshleyDanielle: THAT is so hot... will'ya marry me? ;-) Jun 09 05 01:44 pm Link Posted by AshleyDanielle: My point exactly! I posted this very thing earlier. I'm glad a model agrees with that point. It also never hurts to have somebody to split the driving with if it's a long trip. Jun 10 05 02:33 pm Link Have blackbelt in 2nd deg. still scared sometimes to go alone Jun 10 05 02:46 pm Link Posted by Larisa Burdeynaya: Reminds me of the time when I told a friend that Xena was my dream-woman. Jun 11 05 12:11 pm Link Been trained. 2nd degree bb in Red Dragon... whatever. Many studios teach Martial Arts as a sport, a black belt does not guarantee that you have been trained properly... let alone have a better chance at saving your own life. Unfortunately! I left. I then had six years of private training of combined styles and knowledges of my Sensei. Who was my dad's Sensei when he was young. And everybody needs a little brother or two to practice on. hee hee. I've never had to use any of this, thankfully. Knock on wood. Jun 12 05 10:48 am Link I'm a bodybuilder, powerlifter, male, trained in tae kwon do, Sambo, Brazillian JuJitsu, Wrestling, am aware, and am licensed to carry a firearm and I still don't like going to photoshoots alone. Jun 18 05 04:23 am Link Posted by FreightTrain: See now your Scarin the tuff guys!!! Jun 18 05 04:37 am Link I have never felt the need to bring an escort to a shoot. I treat modeling as if it were any other business and before I deal with anyone I check their references and got to the shoot prepared. 1. If I have not worked with a photographer before, then I request references and actually check them! I also check out the photogs online portfolio and contact a few the models he or she didn't provide as a reference. If he or she has behaved in an innapropriate way, it will come out in the reference check and I won't work with them. 2. If we are in the same city, I request a "go see" in a public place such as a coffee shop or bistro. We can view one another's books and discuss our goals for the shoot. If the photographer is set on shooting something I'm uncomfortable with or behaves inappropriately, I simply say, "Thank you but this assignment is not one that I can accept at this time. I hope that we may work together on a different project in the future." 3. If we are in different cities pre-shoot, I request a phone or Internet conference (with Web cam). This allows us to discuss our goals for the shoot. Again, if the photographer is set on shooting something I'm uncomfortable with or behaves inappropriately, I simply say, "Thank you but this assignment is not one that I can accept at this time. I hope that we may work together on a different project in the future." 4. I leave all the information regarding the shoot schedule, including the start time, estimated wrap time, photographer's name, phone number, cell phone number, and address with my best friend and/or my sister. I phone them as soon as I have left the shoot to let them know that everything went well and where I'm headed next. (That part is more for the sake of my best friend who worries more than my mother ever did. *smiles*) 5. I have a cell phone with me at the shoot that I make sure has a full charge. I have a major carrier, nationwide plan with roaming so that even in the most remote locations, I still have at least one bar. If anything ever happened to *anyone* while on a shoot, I can whip it out and call 911. The modeling industry is just a business and like any other business, if you do your research and make well thought out, insightful decisions, rather than snap ones, you should do fine. Good luck to all of us in finding the perfect people to work with and for continued success. Chrissie Jun 18 05 02:25 pm Link Posted by Christine 16: I read that and thought, "What!? You can't get a clear signal in remote locations!" Jun 18 05 02:29 pm Link Posted by Larisa Burdeynaya: ... and you should be... martial arts in America is a business and a black belt is a product that many are able to "buy" after shy of two years of classes... Compare that to other countries where it may take 7 to 10 years of continued practice to get 1st degree black belt... Jun 18 05 02:53 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Larisa Burdeynaya: ... and you should be... martial arts in America is a business and a black belt is a product that many are able to "buy" after shy of two years of classes... Compare that to other countries where it may take 7 to 10 years of continued practice to get 1st degree black belt... What? Udo, I have never heard of such a thing. Jun 18 05 03:08 pm Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by Christine 16: I read that and thought, "What!? You can't get a clear signal in remote locations!" Star Trek communicator thats what we use here!! Jun 18 05 03:08 pm Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Larisa Burdeynaya: ... and you should be... martial arts in America is a business and a black belt is a product that many are able to "buy" after shy of two years of classes... Compare that to other countries where it may take 7 to 10 years of continued practice to get 1st degree black belt... What? Udo, I have never heard of such a thing. Yep... unfortunately... that's how it is and also the reason for the so called "McDojo's" Jun 18 05 03:20 pm Link |
