^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:
Ok I can't be the only one that finds this wrong and creepy When these Middle aged Fat creepy guys decide to go online to a nice place set up for REAL MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS and turn it into some really creepy place most of the models that are older and smarter know not to fall into this trap but some of the young and neive girls may so let this be a warning to you and YES it did come from someone on MM in ohio ladies never fall for this no matter how much thay offer to pay you it will almost alway never end up in a good way...  And as for all of you TRULEY AMAZING PHOTOGRAPHERS here at MM we all love you..

P.S.   LADIES PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE REPUTABLE PHOTOGRAPHERS ON HERE AND SOME PRETTY DAMN GOOD ONES JUST REMEMBER TO ASK FOR A LIST OF REFRENCES AND IF THAY DON'T HAVE THEM OR KEEP GIVING YOU EXCUSES OR I FORGOT TELL THEM TO RESCHEDULE UNTIL YOU CAN GET THEM TO CHECK OUT.

This is probably a stupid Q but I will ask it anyway.
Your profile reflects a very Gothic look (My weakness)
Very little in the way of BDSM.
My question is this.. are you in, or do you have a curiousity about the
lifestyle?
Like I said it may be a stupid question but I would rather know
than not ask and be left wondering.

Blessed Holiday and Prosperous New Year.

~NB~

ps If you are planning to attend the NYE *Party Like A Rock Star event at Jillians this Saturday. Look me up. I am also part of the cast for the Sopranos Last Supper which will be playing in the back banquet room...
It is usually in the Lava Lounge of the Tower but for NYE we are moving to the bigger room. www.comedywedding.com
Which also reminds me have you ever thought of doing any acting?? We are in need of another female in the cast.

Ciao

pps: My name for the show is Johnny Bagahdonuts

^v^ Cheryl ^v^
12/29/05 7:43 AM
(Message read)     Are we asking about BDSM for personal or professional reasons?...
And no I will not be going to the NYE party sorry....

NightBreed
12/29/05 6:24 PM
    well the question was more along a personal line.. since you would probably not do a professional shoot if you did not have at least a passing interest personally.

Sorry to hear you will not be making it to the NYE party @ Jillians

will keep in touch.

~NB~

^v^ Cheryl ^v^
12/31/05 5:52 PM
(Unread)     I was asking becouse I'm not like alote of these models That pass between the lines of personal and professional... Also I was trying to find out exactly what kind of photographer you where THERE ARE ALOTE OF LETS SAY "PRETEND PHOTOGRAPHERS" that get on these websites just to try to get layed and well I'm a PAYED, PUBLISHED, PROFESSIONAL model and don't deal well with amateur photographers or play well with them specially the ones that say TFP sorry that does not work well with me I'm good at what I do and I've been doing it for quite a long time and I get payed well to model...

oh yes by the way "I'm a professional and there is no PASSING INTEREST PERSONALLY trust me" I model for amateur's (EXCEPT FOR THE ONES WITH TALENT) for the pay not the shots.

did someone have too much coffee this morning?

^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:
Ok I can't be the only one that finds this wrong and creepy When these Middle aged Fat creepy guys decide to go online to a nice place set up for REAL MODELS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS and turn it into some really creepy place most of the models that are older and smarter know not to fall into this trap but some of the young and neive girls may so let this be a warning to you and YES it did come from someone on MM in ohio ladies never fall for this no matter how much thay offer to pay you it will almost alway never end up in a good way...  And as for all of you TRULEY AMAZING PHOTOGRAPHERS here at MM we all love you..

Blah blah blah incoherent whine blah blah incoherent blah blah someone annoyed me blah blah post post sympathy sympathy sympathy!!

GWC!

Its not me I know who to shoot with and whom not to shoot with and who the hell gives a F*c$ about sympathy but the point is I've known quite a few girls that have went to shoots becouse of the money offered w/ no one with them and ended up hurt... NOT a little messed up but like in the hospital F*c$ up...
by the way GWC nice work!

GWC wrote:

Blah blah blah incoherent whine blah blah incoherent blah blah someone annoyed me blah blah post post sympathy sympathy sympathy!!

GWC!

Yea,  but she never did answer the question,  Does she do the BDSM?

Damn I want to know.   Otherwise I would not have asked in the first place.

^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:
Blah blah blah incoherent whine blah blah incoherent blah blah someone annoyed me blah blah post post sympathy sympathy sympathy!!

GWC!

Its not me I know who to shoot with and whom not to shoot with and who the hell gives a F*c$ about sympathy but the point is I've known quite a few girls that have went to shoots becouse of the money offered w/ no one with them and ended up hurt... NOT a little messed up but like in the hospital F*c$ up...
by the way GWC nice work!

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Quite a few girls in the hospital?????????  Make us a list of ten if you can.  I do not believe you can.

Jack D Trute wrote:
Watch your quote boxes,  it may not be working right

Jack my boy, this from her profile to answer your Q:


"My rate are as follows :

Lingerie $60 an hour with 3 hour min.
Fetish/Gothic - $50 - $100 hour with 3 hour min.
Bondage - $150 hour with 3 hour min.
Nudes - $125 and up hour 2 hour min. depending on the shoot."

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Wait. I'm a fat middle-aged creepy guy and I resent that.

-Don

Ya, but Don you have talent your gallery has amazing photographs...

^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:
No your right you can't screen all photographers.  You can see if thay even have any real work in there gallery or not other than the same pic 3 times of some trees with the colors changed by digi. and a webcam pic of them.....

NO, but you can make sure that you take an ESCORT to every shoot, and ANY photographer who feel that they are ABOVE shooting a Model who feels they need an escort should get a Grip on reality!

I know of 2 cases(one on each coast, on in Pa fairly recently) where a Model was KILLed by her Photographer!! They were not some GWC, but established Photographers.

I have shot models with and without accompanying escorts, and I never had any problems with an escort being in the way.

a Models Safety is first, and any photographer's EGO who is too frail to deal with an ESCORT shouldn't be doing this!

^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:

Ya, but Don you have talent your gallery has amazing photographs...

What's to say if these so called creepy guys put up someone else's pics on their portfolio.

^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:
You can see if thay even have any real work in there gallery or not other than the same pic 3 times of some trees with the colors changed by digi.

Having scenic/landscape shots and photoshop does not make you creepy or fake.

Playful Media wrote:
...and I'd say it's more like crystal meth not coffee.

Never know until she opens her mouth and smiles. If she has rotted/missing or a few missing teeth, that says volumes though,lol.

retphoto wrote:
NO, but you can make sure that you take an ESCORT to every shoot, and ANY photographer who feel that they are ABOVE shooting a Model who feels they need an escort should get a Grip on reality!

I know of 2 cases(one on each coast, on in Pa fairly recently) where a Model was KILLed by her Photographer!! They were not some GWC, but established Photographers.

I have shot models with and without accompanying escorts, and I never had any problems with an escort being in the way.

a Models Safety is first, and any photographer's EGO who is too frail to deal with an ESCORT shouldn't be doing this!

2 cases of misfortune out of the thousands of photoshoots that happen each month. And, might I add the Linda Sobek case had nothing to do with internet modeling sites such as this.

I do not allow escorts on paying shoots. Ever. I used to allow them. But 3 bad experiences in a row and never will I allow them again. TFP's the model can bring whoever she wants. If her escort screws up the shoot, she's gonna be the one with the bad pictures.

For me, it's not an ego thing. It's a productivity thing.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

Never know until she opens her mouth and smiles. If she has rotted/missing or a few missing teeth, that says volumes though,lol.

Well then we would be talking more like heroin. I've seen plenty of methed up girls in local so cal clubs that had all their teeth but boy do they stink when they sweat. Not my type that is for sure.

KM von Seidl wrote:
It might be a sign of age, ADD, that I got a couple hours sleep or I JUST don't listen the way I used to...

but what the hell is the thread about?

If you find out, will you let me know

Playful Media wrote:
Well then we would be talking more like heroin. I've seen plenty of methed up girls in local so cal clubs that had all their teeth but boy do they stink when they sweat. Not my type that is for sure.

I'm not sure if it's the sweat. My guess is that they usually stink because they haven't taken a shower in 2 weeks.

Playful Media wrote:
Well then we would be talking more like heroin. I've seen plenty of methed up girls in local so cal clubs that had all their teeth but boy do they stink when they sweat. Not my type that is for sure.

Happens with Meth as well. Sacramento used to be the Meth capitol of the world until I believe Houston took over recently. There used to be a running joke that if you wanted to find a Meth fiend make them smile. Or something like that.

KM von Seidl wrote:
It might be a sign of age, ADD, that I got a couple hours sleep or I JUST don't listen the way I used to...

but what the hell is the thread about?

This is about a girl that feels bad about someone apparently trying to take advantage of her.  It wasn't the most coherent initial post, but the outrage was obvious.  No one's been very sympathetic and for my part in that I'm sorry.

To the initial poster:  This is how it is out here.  MM, like life, is what you make of it.  There are posers and idiots and geniuses and friends wherever you go.  Enjoy those who are good for you, and avoid the rest.  Have a better new year.

-Don

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

Happens with Meth as well. Sacramento used to be the Meth capitol of the world until I believe Houston took over recently. There used to be a running joke that if you wanted to find a Meth fiend make them smile. Or something like that.

Oroville too.. I went to Chico State and people used to make fun of all the Meth Heads in Oroville.

John Jebbia wrote:

Oroville too.. I went to Chico State and people used to make fun of all the Meth Heads in Oroville.

Which would really explain why so many of the models from Oroville who have contacted me in the past look so tired and old at as young as 18 and 19.I think there was only one who I said yes to working with because she didn`t have that look. Guess she was one of the smart ones.

^v^ Cheryl ^v^ wrote:
THERE ARE ALOTE OF LETS SAY "PRETEND PHOTOGRAPHERS" that get on these websites just to try to get layed and well I'm a PAYED, PUBLISHED, PROFESSIONAL model and don't deal well with amateur photographers or play well with them specially the ones that say TFP sorry that does not work well with me I'm good at what I do and I've been doing it for quite a long time and I get payed well to model...

I hope you're not suggesting that anyone who shoots TFP, model and photographer alike, are not serious and professional in what they do. You're painting a picture with a rather broad brush, in my opinion.

Signed: Professional photographer/retoucher/advertiser/designer.

Happy New Year!

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Jillian's giving a party and I'm not going to be there?  Jillian Ann?  Shit!

-D

Jilly rocks but you can't pin her down!  NYC no LA no NYC...