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Photographer

Hip Hop Model

Posts: 4

What is up with all these models on Model Mayhem saying "I do not do nude work" but  when you click on View Photos there just all BUTT NAKED....

Dec 29 05 02:56 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Kirk

Posts: 175

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Usually means they're not doing nude work with just any GWC.

Dec 29 05 02:57 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Please don't double post topics across multiple forums (crosspost).

Everyone that will see it here already saw it in the newbie forum

https://www.modelmayhem.com/rules.php

https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=18926

Dec 29 05 02:58 pm Link

Photographer

Hip Hop Model

Posts: 4

OK

Dec 29 05 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

Bogan

Posts: 36

Miami, Florida, US

Hip Hop Model wrote:
What is up with all these models on Model Mayhem saying "I do not do nude work" but  when you click on View Photos there just all BUTT NAKED....

they r retarded...................

Dec 29 05 04:21 pm Link

Photographer

Bogan

Posts: 36

Miami, Florida, US

it's like when women say "i'm not a whore, but if Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise want a 3some i'm with it".........................

Dec 29 05 04:22 pm Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

it means,

i do nudes, but not with you..

i thought everyone understood this..

i understand and respect that situation.

https://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Dec 29 05 04:26 pm Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

woo hoo double post...

Dec 29 05 04:27 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

It means, "don't listen to what I say or what I do...because I don't know myself."

Dec 29 05 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

CameraSight

Posts: 1126

Roselle Park, New Jersey, US

Doug Swinskey wrote:
it means,

i do nudes, but not with you..

i thought everyone understood this..

i understand and respect that situation.

Just remember .. NO means .. Maybe for the right photographer

Dec 29 05 05:31 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

Hip Hop Model wrote:
What is up with all these models on Model Mayhem saying "I do not do nude work" but  when you click on View Photos there just all BUTT NAKED....

It might mean that what they offer nude, is not modeling

Dec 29 05 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

TR PHOTO

Posts: 227

Los Angeles, California, US

Marvin Dockery wrote:

It might mean that what they offer nude, is not modeling

LOL !

Dec 29 05 05:42 pm Link

Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Marvin Dockery wrote:
It might mean that what they offer nude, is not modeling

If I check their rates and see $200 - 300 an hour or an "overnight" rate I'm with you on that assessment Marvin.

Studio36

Dec 29 05 05:43 pm Link

Photographer

Aperture Photographics

Posts: 310

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Doug Swinskey wrote:
it means,

i do nudes, but not with you..

i thought everyone understood this..

i understand and respect that situation.

I also don't see the problem.  I understand and respect this situation as well.  As a photographer, if you don't respect this situation, move on to another model and stop complaining.  Obviously, if you are a photographer looking for nudes, look for a model who will do nudes and don't hassle the ones who wish to be selective with whom they work.

Dec 29 05 06:16 pm Link

Photographer

MarkMarek

Posts: 2211

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

studio36uk wrote:
If I check their rates and see $200 - 300 an hour or an "overnight" rate I'm with you on that assessment Marvin.

Studio36

Hahahaha, that's good big_smile

Dec 29 05 06:19 pm Link

Photographer

William Kious

Posts: 8842

Delphos, Ohio, US

Doug Swinskey wrote:
i do nudes, but not with you..

i thought everyone understood this..

Bingo.  Also, a lot of models might do nudes early in their "career" but make the choice to move away from that genre.  Just because a woman has nudes in her portfolio does not mean she wants to get naked for just anyone.  Why should she?  A model doesn't have to drop her clothes on a photographer's whim - no matter how many nudes she has in her portfolio.

If a photographer wants to make those demands, he/she should contact an agency that works with nude models.

studio36uk wrote:

If I check their rates and see $200 - 300 an hour or an "overnight" rate I'm with you on that assessment Marvin.
Studio36

Personally, insinuating that a model is a whore or prostitute based on what she has written in her profile is rude, disrespectful and uncalled for.

Dec 29 05 06:39 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Simple, shoot only models with clothes on

Dec 29 05 06:41 pm Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I can promise you that I have no nudes of MYSELF on my profile and I DO NOT MODEL NUDE.

So that should end any possible confusion there.

Dec 29 05 07:38 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

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Dec 29 05 07:51 pm Link

Photographer

bobby sargent

Posts: 4159

Deming, New Mexico, US

Hip Hop Model wrote:
What is up with all these models on Model Mayhem saying "I do not do nude work" but  when you click on View Photos there just all BUTT NAKED....

What this topic again.  When will it ever end?  bs

Dec 29 05 09:32 pm Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

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Dec 29 05 10:37 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

William Kious wrote:

Doug Swinskey wrote:
i do nudes, but not with you..

i thought everyone understood this..

Bingo.  Also, a lot of models might do nudes early in their "career" but make the choice to move away from that genre.  Just because a woman has nudes in her portfolio does not mean she wants to get naked for just anyone.  Why should she?  A model doesn't have to drop her clothes on a photographer's whim - no matter how many nudes she has in her portfolio.

If a photographer wants to make those demands, he/she should contact an agency that works with nude models.


Personally, insinuating that a model is a whore or prostitute based on what she has written in her profile is rude, disrespectful and uncalled for.

I never used any of those words. I was thinking that these models might be doing pet grooming, or house cleaning in the nude. smile

Dec 30 05 12:16 am Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

This has been around for years but it is still a hoot!

Yeah, I remember when I finally met Fish a year or so back, he was telling me that it was the female model pictured who was so completely uptight about the concept about the shoot and refused to look anywhere near in anyone's direction.  I still don't know how Fish talked the guys into it ...  smile

Dec 30 05 11:40 am Link

Photographer

Jose Luis

Posts: 2890

Dallas, Texas, US

It tells me, move on.  Im not gonna beg to pose a model in a certain style- either she does it or she doesn't.  Some models think nudes are like sex and we have to beg and earn it or something.  Good grief.

Dec 30 05 12:38 pm Link

Model

Coral Weber

Posts: 98

New York, New York, US

Hmm..
  i recently got pics for my port taken. one is of me holding my breasts upside down at this artistic angle, and no nipple was shown.
Now, in my real life im prettty conservative- so to me this was NUDEEEEE. haha  but the (awesome) photog insisted it was implied nude...
  so i still put "no nudes" in my profile.  i didnt want to specify and say "implied nudes with excellent photogs" for fear that i would get a lot of photogs looking for only that.....

Dec 30 05 01:14 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

My thoughts are, "Why show nude or simi nude images, if you are not doing this kind of modeling work".

  If you walked down a public street with just you hands covering your private parts, you would get arrested.  You could say to the cop that you were not nude, just implied, and he would laugh at you as he closed the cruiser's door in your face.

I think some models do this to get attention, but then act insulted when a photographer ask them if they are open to doing what they have been showing in their portfolio. 

This would be like going into a pizza place, and having the order taker say, "We only do hamburgers. The Pizza sign is just a fake we put out front to have some fun."



I am not down on models. I have worked with a lot of them, but not many from the Internet

I have never seen nudes in a photographers portfolio, where the photographer is saying I do not shoot nudes.

Dec 30 05 05:06 pm Link

Photographer

Aperture Photographics

Posts: 310

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Coral Weber wrote:
Hmm..
  i recently got pics for my port taken. one is of me holding my breasts upside down at this artistic angle, and no nipple was shown.
Now, in my real life im prettty conservative- so to me this was NUDEEEEE. haha  but the (awesome) photog insisted it was implied nude...
  so i still put "no nudes" in my profile.  i didnt want to specify and say "implied nudes with excellent photogs" for fear that i would get a lot of photogs looking for only that.....

Just for clarification, what you did is "covered nude" or "covered topless" if you still had bottoms on.  "Implied nude" is when you have clothes on covering the boobs and bottom and you just "look nude but you're not".   

Not that it really makes a lot of difference in this case.

Dec 30 05 05:06 pm Link

Photographer

Adonis G

Posts: 59

Miami, Arizona, US

Goes to show the same way the internet allows any joke to become a "photographer" it also allows any coockoo to become a model. That is like a mazda dealership advertising toyotas.. Will u ever see that ? Never..!

My take is.. that among other things, is just a way to get attention to their portfolios.

blah!

Dec 30 05 06:39 pm Link

Photographer

John Fisher

Posts: 2165

Miami Beach, Florida, US

Mayan, the subtitle of the famous "Nude Photography at Capitol Studios" is "Shot by people who don't quite grasp the concept!"

Actually they do. I explained the idea for the shot to professional photographer Rodney Young (Northern Virginia, handling the fan) and professional photographer Michael Bell (Philadelphia, working the view camera), and they bought off on the concept. When Michael arrived from Philly, he asked me if we were really going to do the shot, when I said yes, he picked up the phone and called his wife: "Yup, Fisher is going to shoot me naked!" I'm honored to have friends like Rodney and Michael, they are obviously really cool guys.

The shot was done years ago when I had a studio in the Washington DC area and has always been one of my favorites. The female model was a wonderful Russian model from Detroit, Olga Felina, and she was hardly spooked by the idea, but it did get a little weird when all the guys started wandering around naked. It has to seem a little strange when the tables get turned, but we had a lot of fun which was the point. Danny (a young male model I had worked with in the past) was the "makeup artist" and played his roll to the hilt.

Thanks Mayan for reminding me about a really fun day with some great people. I love this business and having the opportunity to work with people like yourself, Rodney, Michael, Olga and Danny is one of the main reasons.

John
--
John Fisher
900 West Avenue, Suite 423
Miami Beach, Florida  33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

Dec 30 05 08:17 pm Link

Model

spyro2122

Posts: 760

Orlando, Florida, US

I Think models arent sure if they should or shouldnt. I know i am going through that now. my family doesnt aprove but do i wantto make them happy or do some thing that if creative and tasteful  i can handle? maybe that is going throught their minds I know i have put no nudes and have had nudes on my profile. hmmm

Dec 30 05 09:53 pm Link

Photographer

Amanda Schlicher

Posts: 1131

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

okay, so i understand, "i do nudes but not with you," or "i used to do nudes"

but, it's not like the model didn't choose her portfolio shots of her own free will.

if you're not "offering nudes" then just leave nudes out of the the portfolio....what's the problem?  Then if there's a photographer you want to shoot nude with, you just tell them that.  your portfolio is supposed to represent the work you plan to do with those who view the portfolio.  i still don't understand.

Dec 31 05 12:54 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
i still don't understand.

It's okay...I think we are all in the same boat on this one. If you figure out any of the myriad mysteries of life, let me know, cause I sure as hell don't understand either....

Dec 31 05 12:56 pm Link

Model

StacyJack

Posts: 2297

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

good lord!  who cares? 

booorrrriiinnngggg!

-off to get my new years beers.

Dec 31 05 01:01 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
if you're not "offering nudes" then just leave nudes out of the the portfolio....what's the problem?

The "problem" is that without the nudes, a model might not get 65 comments telling her how "HOTTTTT!!!!!" she is, which really is what a lot of beginner/wannabe models think this whole thing is about.  I can't understand why we evil photographer won't let them have it both ways without pointing out their unprofessional, unaccountable behavior...after all, their boyfriend/manager certainly dosen't mind it, so why should we?

Dec 31 05 01:06 pm Link

Photographer

area291

Posts: 2525

Calabasas, California, US

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
if you're not "offering nudes" then just leave nudes out of the the portfolio....what's the problem?

The question goes both ways, what's your problem with discretion toward accepting unwanted offers?

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
Then if there's a photographer you want to shoot nude with, you just tell them that.

That's how it works.  Who holds the hammer?

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
your portfolio is supposed to represent the work you plan to do with those who view the portfolio.

Yes, it is.  "Those who view" doesn't mean attracting offers from all.  Why is discretionary limitation wrong?

Amanda Schlicher wrote:
i still don't understand.

Those that view portfolios and make judgment based solely on nudity never will.

Dec 31 05 01:06 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

spyro2122 wrote:
I Think models arent sure if they should or shouldnt. I know i am going through that now. my family doesnt aprove but do i wantto make them happy or do some thing that if creative and tasteful  i can handle? maybe that is going throught their minds I know i have put no nudes and have had nudes on my profile. hmmm

Take it from a pornographer:  If you aren't sure if you should, then you shouldn't.  A photograph is forever, or long enough to make you sorry when you change your mind later.

Dec 31 05 01:08 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Take it from a pornographer:  If you aren't sure if you should, then you shouldn't.  A photograph is forever, or long enough to make you sorry when you change your mind later.

Melvin is a pornographer. He took pictures of me in compromising positions with my boyfriend, and they aren't even circulating the net as much as he promised....guess no one is into that b&w 'toy camera' porn except for art collectors. Fools. Every day I regret working with Melvin, which is why I am trying to make it to his fantastic area of Pittsburgh this Feb.

Dec 31 05 01:10 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Brian Kirk wrote:
Usually means they're not doing nude work with just any GWC.

Which is all well and good...until you look at their page and realize they don't know the difference between a good photographer and a GWC.

Dec 31 05 01:29 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

John Fisher wrote:
Mayan, the subtitle of the famous "Nude Photography at Capitol Studios" is "Shot by people who don't quite grasp the concept!"

Actually they do. I explained the idea for the shot to professional photographer Rodney Young (Northern Virginia, handling the fan) and professional photographer Michael Bell (Philadelphia, working the view camera), and they bought off on the concept. When Michael arrived from Philly, he asked me if we were really going to do the shot, when I said yes, he picked up the phone and called his wife: "Yup, Fisher is going to shoot me naked!" I'm honored to have friends like Rodney and Michael, they are obviously really cool guys.

The shot was done years ago when I had a studio in the Washington DC area and has always been one of my favorites. The female model was a wonderful Russian model from Detroit, Olga Felina, and she was hardly spooked by the idea, but it did get a little weird when all the guys started wandering around naked. It has to seem a little strange when the tables get turned, but we had a lot of fun which was the point. Danny (a young male model I had worked with in the past) was the "makeup artist" and played his roll to the hilt.

Thanks Mayan for reminding me about a really fun day with some great people. I love this business and having the opportunity to work with people like yourself, Rodney, Michael, Olga and Danny is one of the main reasons.

John
--
John Fisher
900 West Avenue, Suite 423
Miami Beach, Florida  33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

Y'know, Fish, I wasn't gonna divulge the names of the guys in the shot.... but hey, yes, since you did ....

I always get a chuckle over it. If nothing else, I'd love to see more tongue-in-cheek stuff like that being done, but everyone is so bloody serious around here...

Dec 31 05 02:21 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
Take it from a pornographer:  If you aren't sure if you should, then you shouldn't.  A photograph is forever, or long enough to make you sorry when you change your mind later.

What Melvin said.

Dec 31 05 02:24 pm Link