Posted by Kevin Palmer: 
Here is the problem. You are doing TFCD for your portfolio in your spare time. So is the photographer. Often, paid work comes up and takes priority over any "free" projects. I have been in that situation before. I doubt any photographers are purposely delaying the delivery. It takes a lot of time to retouch, color correct, print, add any effects, etc. Often models think that the images just go from the camera to the CD. That is never the case with my images. I spend a minimum of 2 hours on each photo. Often more. A model is only out the time it takes her in front of the camera. The photographer is out the time it takes to set up, shoot, tear down, upload, scan, develop, print, retouch, etc. This guy has a good format on his site...
http://www.lithiumpicnic.com/TFP_faq.html
That's exactly how I do it.

Posted by Marlenne D Rich: 
but when a deadline is set it should be met or at least a follow up so we are no left in the blank and wondering if it will ever happend.

I see deadlines as mandatory for PAID work. If I do a favor for a model, we agree on a time frame when she is getting her CD or prints.

If something comes up (paid situation), the model has to wait for the favor to be completed.

I don't let a model pressure me when I am doing a favor.

However, I am usually even faster than agreed to get the prints/CD to the model and never had complaints, only praise... but I still have that principle that I just described.

UNLESS... something came up for the model that makes it really urgent... then again... I am fast anyway... LOL

Posted by Udo R Photography: 
Geeez... you were waiting three (LoLo Sky) to six months (ModiX)?

Yeah. It was so ridiculous. And boy did I get excuses....LOL. It wasn't me making an ass off myself for sure.

Posted by ModiX: 
My record so far is 6 months. Three images had had some work put on them, and that was a macro that takes 5sec per picture.....

I don't think this timeframe & amount of work put in during that time will get topped by anyone I'll work with again. ( Or so I hope.) 

Posted by Kevin Palmer: 
Here is the problem. You are doing TFCD for your portfolio in your spare time. So is the photographer. Often, paid work comes up and takes priority over any "free" projects. I have been in that situation before. I doubt any photographers are purposely delaying the delivery. It takes a lot of time to retouch, color correct, print, add any effects, etc. Often models think that the images just go from the camera to the CD. That is never the case with my images. I spend a minimum of 2 hours on each photo. Often more. A model is only out the time it takes her in front of the camera. The photographer is out the time it takes to set up, shoot, tear down, upload, scan, develop, print, retouch, etc. This guy has a good format on his site...
http://www.lithiumpicnic.com/TFP_faq.html
That's exactly how I do it.

Posted by Mellisa Kay: 
  Actually, I as a model spend about two days getting everything set up for a shoot if I'm in charge of wardrobe and makeup. But again, I do usually serve as creative director as well. And even if I don't, there's tanning, waxing and a lot of other financial/time consuming things. And if you provide all this for me...Heck, I wanna work with YOU!!! lol4

I am always the Creative/Art director for the shoot. I almost always provide hair and make-up artists as well as a fashion stylist and clothing. I request that the model show up with dirty hair (easier to style), no make-up, pedicure and manicure. I don't do Maxim/FHM or other tan model type shots so tanning isn't required.

Posted by Kevin Palmer: 
I don't know about other photogs but I don't allow any unedited images out of my hands.

I agree with that.  I can't believe a model would demand a CD right after the shoot.  It would be like taking a lump of coal home before it has been made into a diamond.  Obviously not all images taken at a shoot is the best a photographer can do.  I want complete control of the images and how they will look when completed.

As for me, I try to get a few 'teasers' to a model within a day or two.  Generally they are low res images maybe useable on the net, but that would be about it.  Then I try to get to them, within 2-3 weeks, a cd with high res images worthy of printing at larger formats.

Posted by NinaS: 
I recently had a TFP model tell me she will sign the release when she gets the CD ... LOL and this was at the end of the shoot.

I did read somewhere, about models who write on the release, if photos are not received within "X" number of days, then the release is void ... essentially the photog wouldn't have a right to use them if they didn't meet the time frame.

Expect to see that a lot more. I don't know too many models who don't do one or the other.

Posted by theda: 
Expect to see that a lot more. I don't know too many models who don't do one or the other.

Good luck with that.

Posted by Printmakeup: 
Being a makeup artist, and having the basic needed knowledge of how to use photoshop, I usually edit my own pictures. In some cases if im shooting in studio, and the photographer has his computer there, I just have him burn them for me right then and there (those are usually the photographers who trust me enough not to post any pics or use any that may have come out not to his standards)Otherwise i usually just ask them to go through the pics and eliminate any they dont want used for any reason, and then i have them burn it, without them editing (saves a ton of time, because i figure if its that important to me I can edit it in my own time, without it bothering him if he has bigger prioritys). Usually does not take long at all.But for those of you models/muas who dont know how to use photoshop or dont have any desire to, than i suggest having a release form that states clearly a maximum amount of time you will wait for the pictures. 

You do realize that in most cases this is illegal?  To alter a photo without consent of the photographer. If the photogs you work with know that you are going to edit them then that is one thing. But I would bring legal action against anyone altering my work.

Posted by Kevin Palmer: 

You do realize that in most cases this is illegal?  To alter a photo without consent of the photographer. If the photogs you work with know that you are going to edit them then that is one thing. But I would bring legal action against anyone altering my work.

While I'm not a fan of people altering my work, either, it's definately not illegal.

Sounds like what this all boils down to is simply models wanting their pictures in a timely fashion, and photographers wanting to not be rushed in getting those pictures to them.

On an average shoot for me, I'll spend about 2 days prepping for the shoot. picking up wardrobe, scouting locations, organizing my crew, finding props... whatever's needed.
One day spent shooting.
I prefer to NOT look at the images for a couple days after I've shot. This way, when I sit down to do my first rough edit, The images are a little fresher to me, and I may see something I would have overlooked, or considered a mistake, before.
This means, I'll post a rough edit of small res images on my site about a week after the shoot for the model and my crew to look at and pick the ones they like.
Why a week?
Because if I spent all my time in front of the computer my life would suck, and I wouldn't have any fun, and it'd show in my work.
Plus, there's the whole "making a living" thing to do...
I wait until everyone has told me what images they'd like before I start retouching. I've found that people often ask for between 8 and 15 images. multiply that by everyone on the shoot, and you've got a s***load of retouching to do.
By waiting for everyone's response, I may find that people often like the same images, and it saves me from working on 60 images.
On average, I spend about 30 minutes on each image.
So in the end I usually put about another 9-15 hours into retouching.

All said and done, I'm personally working on this shoot for a hot 4-5 days.
The model's only there for one.
I won't accept anybody telling me that the model works as hard as I do. That's Web model mentality.
I don't mean to be bitter about it, but don't ignore the fact that I:
built the friggin set,
ran the film that was shot,
organized 6 peoples time,
provided lunch,
paid for scans (if on film)
possibly ran lighting tests on the days before the shoot,
scouted out and editted down from 4-10 locations,
sat in front of the computer grinding through all the
  images,
built a page on a website so people could view them from
  the comfort of their home,
and basically did EVERYTHING that needed to happen to make the shoot a success.

Now this also has to happen for the paid work that comes up, as well. Except it takes about twice as long for all of that, because the client wants to double check everything.

So if 2 paid jobs crop up during the next couple weeks after a shoot, that's seriously going to push back your images.

While I do make it a point to get the images out as quick as possible, I don't think that a month or 2 is unrealistic.

If you need your images quicker, pay for them. Seriously. Because if you pay for the shoot, then you get the priority.

I definately don't mean to sound bitter about it, but too many models act like they've just hired me to shoot, when they haven't.

If something comes up, and someone needs images quick, it all depends on our relationship. If the model was good, and fun to work with and we all had a blast, then absolutely, I'll bust my ass a bit to help you out. because now we're friends.

but if the model was crap, and I know the images won't be near as good as they would have been with someone else, and he or she was lifeless, or a pain in the ass, I might not put aside my weekly karaoke night just to sit and stare at pictures that make me unhappy.

Really, it all depends on the situation.

And no, I won't sign your copyright sharing agreement, or your deadline agreement. You want me to sign a contract? Send me a check.

(wow. this guy sounds like an asshole!)

ciao.