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I personally take what I do very seriously but I am aware of the fact that not everyone here is on the same boat as me. I would like to know if admin is open to allow members to identify people who have a unprofessional conduct such as not showing up for appointments. What do the rest of you think about this topic? Nov 17 05 10:14 pm Link i have never been "no showed"...i am too cute to have to tolerate that rudeness. Nov 17 05 10:19 pm Link I have had several no shows over the years. Not sure this site or others will allow what most might feel as "bashing". I used to post no shows on my profiles on several sites I am on and have had photogs contact me about those models. I am not into bashing but with todays technology, computers, email, cell phones, there really is not an excuse for not showing, just rudeness. And if this site choose to have a section for photogs to post no shows, then expect a section for models to attack photogs on their behavior, all can be damaging, especially if the statements are false. Nov 17 05 10:23 pm Link I'm all for it. Outing a flake feels good. Except....it always becomes a he said/she said (or she said/she said) pissing contest with no clear result. -Don P.S. An idea is to post who you will be working with on your profile, and leave it there. When no pictures appear maybe other photographers will understand. Nov 17 05 10:23 pm Link i think its totally unprofessional to "out" flakes.. if a model flakes in the real world..she offed from the agency..they dont put up a black list... Nov 17 05 10:26 pm Link Likewise I'm really getting bummed by the whole thing, and most don't call or anything. 3 in the last month!! Where do I identify them? Nov 17 05 10:29 pm Link I hate seeing people "outed". It all feels like high school bullshit, and a lot of it turns into slander, which is illegal. If you must bitch about someone, there's a website for it. www.theibl.com Nov 17 05 10:49 pm Link Unfortunately, its all part of the game. When I started more serious photography I posted fliers at the University of Minnesota. While I did get a couple very good models that way, I also had the pleasure of discovering this "no show" concept. I was also contacted by a professional model/actress in Iowa who was planning on moving to Minneapolis (she had heard about me through a local bookstore). We even had a person to person interview before she moved, and I gave her the names of several art schools she could model at. So, I was thinking I had a "pro" to work with and that she would be reliable. Totally not the case' she turned out to be a no-show, and even managed to forget I was the one who gave her school information when a student asked her how she found the school we were taking classes at (she was modeling at a school I was taking painting classes at). So, I was actually rather impressed at just how unprofessional a person could be. And she's still doing art modeling in the area. So, I was hardly surprised to find this behavior exists on the internet. I think its just a basic part of being an artist/photographer; its simply part of the business (for lack of a better word). And artsists have quite literally always had complaints about no-show models... this is hardly new. Having said all that, I agree with those who feel we shouldn't post names and such on these people. That only leads to retaliation and he said/she said arguments. I also don't think it really solves anything. I'd reccomend getting referances from a potential model and then checking them. Not that I do this or anything; it just sounds like a damn good idea. Anyway, just my 2.75 cents worth. -Pat- Nov 17 05 11:40 pm Link Haleh wrote: Would the purpose of such a blacklist be to retaliate against someone, or to help others in the âindustry"? Nov 18 05 02:19 am Link flew a thousand miles for a no show model on tuesday, excuse delivered 30 hours late was a little less than convincing, but i will let her name pass, as this now becomes a regular occurence in 2005, i have lost count of the no-shows, and unused or misappropriated air tickets. Nov 18 05 02:22 am Link Doug Mackay DMP wrote: OUCH!! I can deal with an instate no-show, but when you start talking about plane tickets, you BETTER show up or be ready to give me my money back. Nov 18 05 03:13 am Link Never had a no show problem. I wonder if it's because I'm paying them, or I'm such a great guy? Nov 18 05 03:23 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: Nov 18 05 10:09 am Link I am not interested in "outing" anyone. I am just merely stating the fact that the model/photographer relationship should be like any other business a professional one. If you do not show for your doctor's appointment you will be charged for it! Why is this any different? If I have to cancel a shoot I usually let the person know 24 hours in advance. Is that so hard to do? Nov 18 05 10:15 am Link Haleh wrote: my clients pay in advance...there is a $40 reshedule fee if you no show, then try and reschedule...if you are hot, i might waive it, but she will have to take me to lunch. Nov 18 05 10:18 am Link BCG wrote: Nov 18 05 10:18 am Link BCG, Why are you posting here then? By the way, you sure have a lot of time in your hands! Nov 18 05 10:21 am Link When it comes to no shows I understand life happens, but please call and let me know as soon as you can. If you call and let me know you can't make the shoot --your fine. Don't call me, I MIGHT give you a second chance. I would like to know which models are no showing people. Good idea. Nov 18 05 10:24 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: Nov 18 05 10:24 am Link Haleh wrote: posting here is part of my duties as the official ambassador to photography...when you are as hot and talented as myself, you can chose your own clients and set your own time table. Nov 18 05 10:26 am Link If I see I can't make a shoot then I call the photographer as soon as I know. I have had a photographer not show on me and I have had a few cancel at the last min. Nov 18 05 10:26 am Link Where did you come up with this outed business? Is photography something you are doing for fun or is it a business for you? Nov 18 05 10:27 am Link Haleh wrote: Did Mayhem enact a Professional Clause when we weren't looking? I'm particularly amused at the boo-hoo-hooing on unprofessional conduct for TFP (Time For Practice), or equally stunned that someone would seek the Internet blindly (without having previous experience working with one or at the very least a pre-meeting for determining acceptance) for client based work. Nov 18 05 10:28 am Link g-man wrote: Nov 18 05 10:28 am Link Flakes are the price "WE" pay for free sites like this. Anybody can get in and there is no obligation to be serious or professional. The ones who have it, have it. The ones that don't, flake are eventually ousted by their own mistakes and omissions. Nov 18 05 10:30 am Link I do not want a blacklist. Models should do the same about photographers with misconduct. This is a two way street afterall. I know a lot of models who thought they were going to an actual photo shoot! Plus, I am more interested to hear from the admin about this issue and what they think. Nov 18 05 10:31 am Link C R Photography wrote: Well said! Nov 18 05 10:32 am Link I think if a model or photographer flakes you should just pass the info on to others in your area who you know. Just like you would warn a friend about not dating a girl who slapped you for making the move. You would tell those you know....you would not post an ad on craig's list or anything like that. Keep it local. Nov 18 05 10:50 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: Exactly. Nov 18 05 03:57 pm Link Haleh wrote: That's not cool. just because one disses you doesn't mean that person disses the next. People feel as though they don't have to give an explanation...especially if no money is involved. I said it doesn't mean i agree. Nov 18 05 04:04 pm Link Merlinpix wrote: Well I have had no shows and I had paying jobs for them. They had airlinet tickets set and money here in Dallas and never showed up and of course now do reply back to emails. Nov 18 05 09:30 pm Link Semora wrote: What if there was money involved? Would you still call it dissing? Nov 18 05 11:40 pm Link Why not a rating system? Slightly of an opposite of those tacky "Hot or Not's" ratings. You can rate the model/photographer, after working with them. I wonder if that would be possible. 5 stars professional 0 stars for unsatisfactory experience Then people will understand what the risk is with hiring a model. I mean, they do this on Ebay and Amazon. Why not here? Are we softer than consumers or something? Haven't read this thread yet, so dunno if someone already thought of this. Nov 18 05 11:47 pm Link Brian Diaz wrote: It's only libel if it's not true. Nov 19 05 12:40 am Link i got worse than no show to tell you about....re photgropher with pretty nice work...but then again, Im safer letting other models get upset, attacked or victimised than saying more.... Nov 19 05 12:48 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: It would be nice to have a means to discourage people from cancelling without notice. But any mechanism is open to abuse, and bashing wars. Then someone at MM has to be the judge in such he-said/she-said situations. I dont see an abuse-free way of doing it. Nov 19 05 08:33 am Link Kuree wrote: I am all for a rating system. I think it is a great idea for both models and photographers. Nov 19 05 03:26 pm Link Anjel Britt wrote: You have to always protect yourself. First there must be a contract and most importantly show up with an escort to any first time shoot. Models should always check the photographer's references before working with them. After all owing a camera does not make anyone a photographer! Nov 19 05 03:30 pm Link As a person that runs my own site, the reason for not allowing the option of giving bad feed back, is because there are people out there that would use it if the models did not want to work with them. I myself am very tired of these no shows. Its a waste of money, but most importantly waste of time for everyone else involved in the shoot. Nov 19 05 03:31 pm Link citivibe wrote: I guess we all should come up with a better screening method. I am hoping there will be some kind of rating system in place to monitor unprofessionalism for both models and photographers. I am sure models also have their own concerns in regards to having bad experiences. This is not just about photographers attacking models. Nov 19 05 03:41 pm Link |
