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no-show models...any thoughts
I wish i could say this was a first for me....I had a trip with a shoot planned as part of it, so i brought extra gear, lights, etc. I had spoken with the model to confirm the day before, and then....no show....calls ignored.... Is there value in outing this model (probably not....)? But in any case, it is JUST BAD MANNERS. ok, I feel better now. Nov 08 05 10:33 pm Link It sucks that things suck. Nov 08 05 10:36 pm Link arno wrote: Simply put she will "out" herself and develop a reputation all on her own if she continues to do this with potential photographers. Nov 08 05 10:38 pm Link Welcome to the world of Internet modeling. But before you bash the model too much, photographers can be no-shows as well. We have this thread every week. What she did was wrong but about all you can do is buck up and move forward. The Internet will gain respect when everyone learns to behave like professionals. Nov 09 05 12:35 am Link Bummer man. We've all been there. Nov 09 05 12:43 am Link flaky models give us all bad reps. same with photographers. we all spend money preparing and when someone flakes out.......it damages more than our bank accounts. it hurts emotionally and i don't think that people see that. i try not to cancel shoots last minute. i've done them hungover and extremely ill. i fell asleep at one recently cuz my iron was low-feminin issues. i did a nude shoot once the day i got my rag. the reasons i've cancelled were very bad food poisoning-that was for a fitting-the designer cancelled on me last minute and chose another model-i saw the pic and yea-the girl had no range-i tried to explain that i was even throwing up water! i had a fashion show later that day too. i did the show-almost passed out-but in my opinion-that was more important than the fitting-i rescheduled it for the next day(the shoot was in a few days)-and the show was through one of my agents. i also had to cancel a shoot last time i was in LA cuz the person who was gona do it with me didn't tell me they decided to work that. i felt so bad emailing-no phone-and no clue how to get to the location. luckily the photographer understood! blah-there's my story:) Nov 09 05 12:44 am Link You know what is even funnier? I had several problems like this and I got upset one day and I put their name and MM number on my page. Guess what, they were outraged!!!! How do I dare to blacklist them...they called me nasty names and all. I have tried to explain that it is rather unprofessional to do such thing and in return they said I am a crybaby and immature...what do you think about this? Nov 09 05 12:55 am Link Pitaru wrote: The truth hurts: they are immature and a crybaby. If you don't want a bad rep. don't create one for yourself. There are legitimate reasons for not doing a shoot on a given day. However, not calling or otherwise informing the photographer < or model as the case may be> is at the very least unprofessional, inconsiderate, and ultimately self defeating. Nov 09 05 04:22 am Link If this was a perfect world this sort of thing would not happen. However, it is not and it does. It is of course unprofessional not to phone to explain the reason for a no-show. It has happened to me in the past so I changed my method of working. I no longer shoot any model that has not done a test shoot with me or at the least had a face to face meeting before the shoot for which i pay expenses. If they do not turn up for the test or the meeting they get no further. I realise that in the USA distance travelled can make the problem a bit different. After all the UK is smaller than California. Nov 09 05 04:39 am Link I used to get upset in the early goings, now I don't care. I just simply make a mental note and move on to someone more mature and responsible. If anyone asks me about that model, I simply tell them the truth about my experience with them. Maybe I should start listing them on my profile. In fact.... Nov 09 05 06:33 am Link awww that sucks, are you back from your trip?? she missed a great photo sesion her loss. Really, I need to get my bottom in gear and organize that emergency models idea. Emergency models "We fill in when they flake" Nov 09 05 11:25 am Link I tried to form an opinion, but it didn't show up. Nov 09 05 11:55 am Link I'm sorry about your no show. The only times I have no-showed to a shoot is when the car broke down and I did not have a # to call. I also was not close to internet to email them telling them what is up. But when I finally got home I did scan and email them the tow truck paper so that they for sure knew why I did not show up. But now I have a cell with internet so I'm good now. Nov 09 05 12:08 pm Link First off, not all internet models have their head in their ass. I for one take this as serious as a "real job" although I have never seen 1 dollar come if it. I do it because I am passionate about it. I am respectful of other's time and talent and would ask the same in return. I am always amazed at what a small world it is and how quickly one can get a bad reputation. I'm sure this model you're referring to will make a bad name for herself if she hasn't already. Please don't lump us all together, there's still some good ones out there. Sorry this happened to you. Elle Nov 09 05 12:10 pm Link Elle wrote: Delusional is a more apt description, but either way the view isn't very clear. Nov 09 05 12:20 pm Link arno wrote: Don't get your hopes up for an out-of-town shoot. Be prepared to shoot, and be equally prepared not to shoot. No-shows happen to all of us, models included. Nov 09 05 12:20 pm Link I have found that most models do try to make their appointments and show up and do their best. That being said, psychologically, we humans mostly remember the jerks in our life. Consider the act of going into a store. If someone holds the door for you, we thank them and usually forget them. But if someone doesn't hold the door, then we remember *that* most pointedly. Another example, driving along the highway, are you more likely to remember the hundreds of drivers and cars that all behave nicely and drive defensively, or the one guy who cuts you off and merges in front of you at a busy off ramp? We tend to remember people in a collective by the jerks who are part of the collective. Just how humans are programmed. Always remember, most people aren't jerks, it's just that the jerks go out of their way to call attention to themselves.  Nov 09 05 12:22 pm Link Elle wrote: You've not made any money yet? You should be making money girl...you are beautiful and if I paid models as a general practice I'd hire you! . Go get an agency! Nov 09 05 12:30 pm Link I had a no-show model this past weekend. On Monday, he e-mailed me with a quite legitimate reason for not showing and for not contacting me, and apologized. That was a welcome change from some other no-shows! So, I will give him another opportunity. Not so, the ones who never contacted me again! Nov 09 05 01:42 pm Link I can relate. I'm sitting in the studio RIGHT NOW waiting for a model that's 30 minutes late. No call, nothin. From our e-mails, I kind of got the impression that Nov. 9th might just be next week, but that's not what the calendar says :-) Oh well, and here I took the day off work for nuttin. Nov 09 05 02:00 pm Link I have only ever had one model pull a no show on me. What really bothered me was no phone call and no email with an excuse or an apology. Might have not been that bad if I hadn't rearranged an entire day to fit her schedule. Though I must admit I thought about telling the world I later thought best not to. Photographers, just as models "talk." I'm sure her reputation will get the best of her if she were to continue doing no shows. Nov 09 05 03:05 pm Link Had one yesterday. Move on to the next  Nov 09 05 03:07 pm Link Get over it and move on. Nov 09 05 03:22 pm Link Do you think pageants are good to enter? Nov 09 05 03:24 pm Link How about the models who are interested in having you shoot them, ask you when is a good time, you throw out a few dates....a week or two goes by ...... then you hear from them. Dates are no good. So you respond by saying, "just let me know when you would like to have me fit you in" and nothing. Classic. At least I am quick to say when something isn't going to work out. Nov 09 05 03:27 pm Link I jump on http://www.theibl.com and list their ass faster than they can say âthe cops are interviewing me because a balcony broke last nightâ?⦠Unfortunately I just had my first flake coming up this Saturday, so I might list and might not. Legit models and photographers work hard to keep shoots. Ironically itâs the younger models (17-21) who do most of the flaking. Nov 09 05 03:31 pm Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: Dawn, I will leave an open appointment for you here in the WalMart photo studio. I will make sure we have all 4 exciting backgrounds available thet day. Nov 09 05 03:32 pm Link I had to cancel a shoot a few years ago (as a model) because I had a crippling migraine and needed a doctor. Even though I called him to cancel, he was SO MAD! I apologized with utmost sincerity, but I was put-off by his reaction. At least I called. There is a certain model in my current MM portfolio that showed up two and a half hours late for her shoot. That's bad manners as well. As much as I think it would be hilarious to swap stories about her, I think the previous posters have quite accurately pointed out that she will create a reputation on her own. Photographers talk. So do models. It's too bad I can't warn you all in advance about her unprofessionalism...but her pictures turned out great! Nov 09 05 03:36 pm Link cookie monster wrote: You know, I would laugh at that comment, but I actually think that there is some potential for the WalMart backgrounds....yeah, I'm a dork. Nov 09 05 03:36 pm Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: I think you would look good with the Christmas with Shrek II background. The Red and Green will bring out your eyes! Nov 09 05 03:42 pm Link The worst thing a model can do for his/her career or potential career is to not show up, whether it be a shoot, a fitting...whatever. Things happen, and that's okay...but what's not okay is to neglect to call or apologize if the situation did not warrant a phone call. If it were me I wouldn't widely display their mistake/rudeness/etc, but if anyone asked me what it was like working with them, I would be 100% honest and say "good luck, they didn't show and offered no apologies or explanations." I can understand the frustration, and I think it's the experience I have as a photographer that keeps me annoyingly considerate when it comes to shoots. Maybe if more people were shafted we would be less inclined to do the shafting....or...something.. Nov 09 05 05:06 pm Link Image #2 and #3 in my port was taken by Mike Brouwer a few weeks ago. When I woke up that morning I was sicker than a dog! I had no idea how I was physcially going to drag my tush to that shoot. I called my sweet MUA, told her my skin looked literally green and that she was going to have to work some serious magic! She did (at least I hope you can't tell I'm incredibly ill in those images! LOL) But Mike was kind enough to drive all the way from MI to shoot and I was going to show up come hell or high water. There were several times I thought I was going to faint while shooting but I'll be damned if I cancelled on this wonderful man. I did apologize several times for being under the weather and the beautiful thing was he had no idea. Committment is something I take very seriously. As hard as it was showing up feeling like hell, I'm so glad I did. If I ended up hurling on the set, at least Mike knew I made every effort in the world to show up and gave it everything I had. Turned out to be a nice day afterall. : ) Elle Nov 09 05 05:18 pm Link I am learning that it comes with being a photographer. I used to dwell on it and leave all of my horror stories here on these boards. Now, I just move on to the next model. I have even started to double book models knowing that one will not show up. Keep your chin up and keep shooting! Nov 09 05 05:48 pm Link Well, there's this model/moderator/photogpher on MM that I won't mention her name...but she agreed verbally to shoot with me exclusively. She cheats on me all the time. She blames it on her husband and something about her kids being important. If she wasn't so hot, I'd tell her she'd never find work again. Nov 09 05 05:54 pm Link Good thread. For me flaking only bothers me once a rapport has been established and I've inconvenienced myself as a result of a scheduled shoot. I don't care if a MM member doesn't get back to me after a few emails about us potentially shooting. It does make me wonder, but no offence is taken. Now, the flake out with no call, email, voicemail, nothing after a shoot has been scheduled--that's just plain unacceptable. And yes, I would probably out them. I'm an eye-for-an-eye type of guy, for better or worse. Nov 09 05 06:57 pm Link I would out her. If I made a habit of flaking on models I would think that models would want to help eachother out and warn eachother about working with me. It's the only way that MM as a community can get rid of people that give this business a bad name. I do not flake....but if I do.....tell the world. So if this model flaked......tell us. Even if you save one other photographer from dealing with the headache of being cancelled on, you have made this site better. Nov 09 05 07:35 pm Link Thomas B wrote: What is next for the young woman? Would you like to crucify this woman? This crowd mentality scares me. Do you know all the variables in her life that may cause her to act and behave the way she allegedly did? How many more Eva's do we need to lose to quench your thirst of "justice"? Nov 09 05 07:43 pm Link Nov 09 05 08:16 pm Link Monsante Bey wrote: I will be doing that for all the flakey, lying, cancelling photographers I have run into Nov 09 05 08:19 pm Link cookie monster wrote: Give me a break......if a business screws you over what do you do? Well maybe you sit back and take it. I file a report with the BBB. Doing these kind of things warns and protects other people for dealing with flakes and people who conduct business in a crappy way. We can agree to disagree. This business if full of flaky models and photographers. In my opinion they all need to go away and do something else for a living. And the only way for me and my fellow MM'ers to know who these people are, is to report them. If the model or photographer has a legit reason for not showing or calling like death in the family or car broke down.....fine. It is a one time thing and it happens to everyone. But if you start seeing reports of the same name over and over and find that they are attending funerals twice a week.........chances are good that this person is a flake and needs to go waste someone else's time. I love everyone I have worked with on this site and I would like to help keep it clear of the bad apples. Too bad you are not willing to do the same. Nov 09 05 10:45 pm Link |
