Thomas B wrote:

Give me a break......if a business screws you over what do you do? Well maybe you sit back and take it. I file a report with the BBB. Doing these kind of things warns and protects other people for dealing with flakes and people who conduct business in a crappy way. We can agree to disagree. This business if full of flaky models and photographers. In my opinion they all need to go away and do something else for a living. And the only way for me and my fellow MM'ers to know who these people are, is to report them. If the model or photographer has a legit reason for not showing or calling like death in the family or car broke down.....fine. It is a one time thing and it happens to everyone. But if you start seeing reports of the same name over and over and find that they are attending funerals twice a week.........chances are good that this person is a flake and needs to go waste someone else's time. I love everyone I have worked with on this site and I would like to help keep it clear of the bad apples. Too bad you are not willing to do the same.

I won't be part of blacklisting a young womans reputation. All the revenues combined that this forum contributes/generates does not justify blackballing one woman. Clients not showing is a variable in the equation that must be accepted. I doubt any one model is responsible for the financial doom of ANY shooter.

Eric Muss-Barnes wrote:
I tried to form an opinion, but it didn't show up.

I tried to form an opinion, but the neighbor kids ran across it before it had hardened.

Jose- JoseOnline wrote:
The way I deal with these is I just have a policy that I do NOT reschedule.  If a model flakes or last minute cancels- there is no reschedule- and few exceptions.  The one exception being is a model that I have already worked with and has a good reason OR if it were a paid job- a paying client who leaves a non refundeable deposit.

A TFP first time model who flakes (no matter what the reason) does not get rescheduled.

Amen...........I use to worry about no shows alot and now I just dont care cause I am purposely 15 minutes late to a shoot to make sure the model is there or called before I leave the house. If they dont show well then thats another model I dont have to edit images and not much time is wasted

I dont reschedule with models that no show or give stupid lame excuses.

arno wrote:
I wish i could say this was a first for me....I had a trip with a shoot planned as part of it, so i brought extra gear, lights, etc. I had spoken  with the model to confirm the day before, and then....no show....calls ignored....

Is there value in outing this model (probably not....)?

But in any case, it is JUST BAD MANNERS.

ok, I feel better now.

Were you going to pay her?

Moraxian wrote:
We tend to remember people in a collective by the jerks who are part of the collective.  Just how humans are programmed.

There is a saying that it takes many "atta-boys" to make up for one "uh oh!".

bobby sargent wrote:
Well I have never had a model not show up for any of my Traveling Photo trip shoots.  EVER.


And way to many GRANDMOTHERS die as the model is on the way to Dallas.  BS

Me either when I travel, because I get a deposit first.
lol @ dead grandmothers.

You know... As a testament of strength or insanity by me. The day I buried my GF I shot two traveling models later in the day who had booked with me 2 weeks prior to her passing.

*shrugs shoulders*

EyeOnYouModels wrote:

You've not made any money yet? You should be making money girl...you are beautiful and if I paid models as a general practice I'd hire you! . Go get an agency!
Don't rely on the web .....

Got that right, Elle is far too beautiful to not be making money at this!!!

Dave S wrote:
Thanks to whomever for the http://www.theibl.com link.  Not that I plan to post anything on it.

I've reviewed my calender for the past few months and have found that roughly half of all TFPs have been no-shows.  Is that number high?  Quite a few had been first to contact me and seemed very enthusiastic about the shoot.

I think a good thread would be "What are the best/worst/lamest" excuses you've heard for no show?  Mine range from relative died, my stomach hurts, I got acne overnight, the car died, started new job and even doggie is sick.  One replied a day before she just found out she had pneumonia.  Of course, any of them could be true and I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt ... but come on!  Can't anyone just say they changed their mind?  At least some actually let you know they won't show, whereas too many just disappear, never to be heard from again.  Could be biased, but I think the number of models flaking out is way higher than the number of photographers.  On the other hand, I've heard of photographers not paying or delivering.

I also like to give the benefit of doubt but I swear that this business has the highest rate of funerals that I have ever heard of.

Pitaru wrote:
You know what is even funnier? I had several problems like this and I got upset one day and I put their name and MM number on my page. Guess what, they were outraged!!!! How do I dare to blacklist them...they called me nasty names and all. I have tried to explain that it is rather unprofessional to do such thing and in return they said I am a crybaby and immature...what do you think about this?

Pitaru!
I think everyone agrees that there ARE unavoidables and ERs in everyone's life...BUT....(overslept, tired, boy/girlfriend ticked, got a better offer this morning, no gas, hungover, drunk, no money, not enough pay, & forgot...are NOT acceptable LAST minute cancel reasons).

And NO-SHOW...NO-CALL are NEVER acceptable...NOT EVER!

I think PROFESSIONAL-minded models and photographers would be well served if they DID post the NO-SHOW, & NO-CALLS...it would save EVERYONE time, money, & aggravation. And the flakes would quickly disappear off the radar screen.

And no, Pitaru you were NOT harsh...

The reality is ONE no-show no-call no-excuse will get your contract pulled, torn to shreds, and tossed in the trash, as well see that you are blacklisted with other agencies, corporations, & potential future clients in the industry...period.