Posted by theda: 
And if it's on the internet, it must be true! I'd ask when that tidbit of Canadian wisdom was written, but I'm not sure I care.

There are always risks to surgery, but there are many, many people that have had plastic surgery with no complications.

Words like NEVER and ALWAYS are dangerous and usually end up making you wrong. Again.

Really if I'm wrong then how about you talk to nurses who also seen this thing first hand with breast implants. You don't read or hear about the cases where they have made women very ill because the doctors want to cover it up. It's all about money to them, to hell with the well-being of the patient.

There are even some cases where women have gone down to Mexico and have put silicone literally pumped into them. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few of them and they regret it. Breast implants are the worst invention ever, so say what you want but the medical facts are right, talk to ANY certified doctor or nurse and they will tell you the same thing.

Here are a few examples of some really bad boob jobs and ask yourself, "Are breasts really supposed to look like this?" These pics ain't foolin' anyone.

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/8985/badboobjob19vp.jpg [/img]

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/5757/badboobjob22tz.jpg [/img]

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/2647/badboobjob39kl.jpg [/img]

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/5953/badboobjob40qn.jpg [/img]

So which looks better? Real or fake?

Posted by Alexandra Paris:
So which looks better? Real or fake?

d) Is that supposed to support your medical "facts"?

Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: 

Posted by theda: 
And if it's on the internet, it must be true! I'd ask when that tidbit of Canadian wisdom was written, but I'm not sure I care.

I didn't read the replies above.

I just read that and thought, "I bet Theda is addressing Alexandra with that statement."

Sure enough, I looked above and that was exactly right.

Where would the entertainment of MM forums be without the Theda/Alexandra bickering?

I think it's safe to say, that Theda usually has valid point when she debates...

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 

Posted by theda: 
And if it's on the internet, it must be true! I'd ask when that tidbit of Canadian wisdom was written, but I'm not sure I care.

There are always risks to surgery, but there are many, many people that have had plastic surgery with no complications.

Words like NEVER and ALWAYS are dangerous and usually end up making you wrong. Again.

Really if I'm wrong then how about you talk to nurses who also seen this thing first hand with breast implants. You don't read or hear about the cases where they have made women very ill because the doctors want to cover it up. It's all about money to them, to hell with the well-being of the patient.

There are even some cases where women have gone down to Mexico and have put silicone literally pumped into them. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few of them and they regret it. Breast implants are the worst invention ever, so say what you want but the medical facts are right, talk to ANY certified doctor or nurse and they will tell you the same thing.

Here are a few examples of some really bad boob jobs and ask yourself, "Are breasts really supposed to look like this?" These pics ain't foolin' anyone.

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/8985/badboobjob19vp.jpg [/img]

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/5757/badboobjob22tz.jpg [/img]

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/2647/badboobjob39kl.jpg [/img]

[img] http://img138.echo.cx/img138/5953/badboobjob40qn.jpg [/img]

So which looks better? Real or fake?

Trick Question?  I kinda like the second set, though the nipples are a bit high...

:::snicker:::

And who in the heck would go to Mexico to get their tits done?  I mean really, one can't drink the water, much less trust the doctors...  They are just shy of being a third world country... (well, okay... maybe not a third world country...)

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
First of all. You didn't bitch Wendy Meece out when she posted pics of her boob job on these forums. So why should I be any different when I show examples of bad boob jobs?

Theda, you really need to read some actual medical jourals before you even respond back and tell everyone who does not agree with you on this subject that they are wrong.

I feel very strongly about this and if I had my way they would be outlawed and these 'doctors' would be thrown in prison for the the rest their miserable lives.

I have had so many friends of mine go under the knife and they have had difficulty (pain,leakage, sickness) you name it. They were healthy before the implants. So don't tell me that there is no harm being done. I know for a fact that it's bullshit.

So instead of belittling me for my opinion (which you are doing). Maybe you should actually talk to women who had theirs done and that regret it. Let them tell you how sick they got when the bags ruptured, or listen to them when they talk about the severe scarring they've had. These women paid a price for their vanity.

In my opinion there is nothing more pathetic than a woman who tries to fit in with what society tells her she should be.

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
As for websites, there are doctors who will back these up. Just because they aren't from the AMA or whatever does not make them any less valid.

So if these doctors are not from the American Medical Association. Do the belong to the Medical Association of another. And if they don't belong to any Mediacl Associations then you kind of have to ask yourself why.

Posted by Duck Photography: 

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
As for websites, there are doctors who will back these up. Just because they aren't from the AMA or whatever does not make them any less valid.

So if these doctors are not from the American Medical Association. Do the belong to the Medical Association of another. And if they don't belong to any Mediacl Associations then you kind of have to ask yourself why.

A lot of people refuse to join clubs that would have them as a member...

Posted by XtremeArtists: 

Posted by Duck Photography: 

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
As for websites, there are doctors who will back these up. Just because they aren't from the AMA or whatever does not make them any less valid.

So if these doctors are not from the American Medical Association. Do the belong to the Medical Association of another. And if they don't belong to any Mediacl Associations then you kind of have to ask yourself why.

A lot of people refuse to join clubs that would have them as a member...

Ya got a piont there

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
Oh GOD forbid nipples are a bad thing to be showing! They are a part of the breast right? I've seen your nudes and you have nipples too! HELLO!

And yes I saw Wendy's nipples too!

As for websites, there are doctors who will back these up. Just because they aren't from the AMA or whatever does not make them any less valid.

People have the right to know as to why breast implants are not such a great idea.

Posted by Soshanna: 
I just dont get it.. period.

There are extremes in every situation in life, and people hold on to those extremes and never look at the norm.

The extremes define the norm.

Posted by theda: 
Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time (about 3 years ago), in a galaxy far, far away (the upper east side), I worked a medical researcher/MS editor. How did I get that job? Because when the interviewer asked me how to determine the legitimacy of a research article, I said "It depends on which journal it's in." If I had used plasticsurgery.com as a source instead of JAMA or Lancet, I'd have gotten fired instantly. But then again, it was you who told *me* that I needed to read some medical journals.

Speaking of breasts, intelligent, funny, articulate chicks make my nipples hard.

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
Men have no clue as to what a woman should really look like...

If you believe in evolution, men are the only ones who know what a woman should look like since the purpose of her appearance is to attract a mate, but I find most lipstick lesbians have pretty good taste.

Posted by DreamPretty?: 

Posted by michael pavelsk: 
i tend to think that a model should be about a c cup. some model have a great shape and have a B cup. personally C and D cups are betterin my opinion, and in the long run you will make a lot more money in particular in glamour!

secondly i would be very particular about what doctor you uses. in this case get the best money can buy!

This is exactly the problem...I am barely a b-cup, but not stupid enough to think that with a boob job I'd make a better model! Believe me, I wish Hugh had more to grab onto, but my boobs are pretty damned fine!

This is not about money, this is about pain and degradation.

I recommend you go get your penis enlarged, and then tell me to get my breasts enlarged.

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
Her t-shirt read BARELY LEGAL!

Now in my mind I'm thinking......

'Barely legal for what? Social security?'

LMAO!

Oh come on guys! I hear jokes every day about scumbag lawyers...and my dad is one! And I've learned over the years that all that stuff they say about lawyers, while not true of many wonderful young men and women, is generally very true of the trial-hardened veterans!

Same is true of plastic surgeons. Most of them have dreams of helping little girls who fall off horses...but how many little girls are they going to find? At some point they will give up their dreams, move to Hollywood, and find enough "barely legal" old ladies to buy a million dollar house!

I never said that I think getting my breasts done that it's going to make me a better model. I simply stated that it's something I am consdering because of the drastic change in my body. Modeling to me is not a career it's a hobby. If having my breasts done means I will never model again, I won't be hurt. I am just simply a female who desires to have the body that I have worked hard to achieve but certain aspects I can't do by diet/exersise etc. I just wanted people's opinions on the surgery. I appreciate all of your concerns but calling a person stupid for wanting plastic surgery is just silly. Yes I may be superficial to a certain aspect, but then again you may not all understand my situation. To whoever posted that I should try gaining weight...that also bothers me..I have spent the past 3 years of my life working my butt of to be in shape. If I gained any weight...it wouldn't go to my breats...my breasts wouldn't get larger unless I gained about 15-20 pounds. Again I appreciate EVERYONE'S imput and it really has helped me to further think over my decision

Posted by Venus: 
Holy cow, is this thread STILL going ?!?  lol

You're laughing because your perfect, natural breasts are what make these other women WANT the implants in the first place. You evil, evil, woman.

;-P

Posted by Ken Mierzwa: 
Do what you like, but be aware that many of us actually prefer them on the smaller side... and the entire package is always more important than any single element.

I know that. You know that. Women are brainwashed into thinking otherwise. The more you tell them we don't judge on breastsize, they simply counteract with, "I'm doing this for me."

Which is true.

BUT ...

The reason they even feel any compulsion to do it "for themselves" in the first place is because they have been successfully brainwashed to begin with.

Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: 

I know that. You know that. Women are brainwashed into thinking otherwise. The more you tell them we don't judge on breastsize, they simply counteract with, "I'm doing this for me."

Which is true.

BUT ...

The reason they even feel any compulsion to do it "for themselves" in the first place is because they have been successfully brainwashed to begin with.

Sad but very true. And those who aren't brainwashed are chastized.

Posted by Marcus J. Ranum: 

theda jokes: 
But... I want to feel other girls up...

Hey, I had to think REAL hard before I clicked the "send" on that one. I knew it'd get me smacked...

But the truth is that implants DO NOT feel real. Period. Either you have this weird bulge of muscle or you have this bag of water or goop under the skin. I've felt lots of implanted boobs in topless bars in Tijuana so I am basing this on considerable practical experience. Some of the bigger boob-jobs feel pretty freakin' gross, to me. Even the smaller ones feel too hard/too round and totally fake. So if you've got someone you care about who likes breasts it can become an issue.

Then there's the ultimate extreme in gross boob-jobs. What will these look like when she's 60?
http://rhiannon.hugetit.us/

mjr.

Not only do they not feel right they don't look right-natural.

Darrel

Posted by Reese: 
Piercing the ears or any other part of the body is bodily mutilation as well... Which means I am all F&*@$D up...  So what's a boob job...  If they had a buy one get one, I might consider going from a "B/C" to a "D." 

Oh man, if piercing your ears means that, Id hate to see what Im labeled as since I have my tongue split;p

Posted by Jax: 

Posted by Reese: 
Piercing the ears or any other part of the body is bodily mutilation as well... Which means I am all F&*@$D up...  So what's a boob job...  If they had a buy one get one, I might consider going from a "B/C" to a "D." 

Oh man, if piercing your ears means that, Id hate to see what Im labeled as since I have my tongue split;p

And I have my nipples pierced, while we are on the topic terrifying horrible breast mutilations. :p

Posted by Catalina Mercury:

And I have my nipples pierced, while we are on the topic terrifying horrible breast mutilations. :p

Lol, how could you??!

Posted by Jax: 

Posted by Catalina Mercury:

And I have my nipples pierced, while we are on the topic terrifying horrible breast mutilations. :p

Lol, how could you??!

It was because of my low self esteem, due to the overhyped media's patriarchal concept of what a titty should like like.

...

Except not really.

Posted by Catalina Mercury:
It was because of my low self esteem, due to the overhyped media's patriarchal concept of what a titty should like like.

...

Except not really. 

Well, you probably have titties, I was gipped in that dept. Thats why I turned out the way I did, I was rebelling against all those pretty big boobs;p

Posted by Laura Merced: 
some of the "experts" on this thread are like Tom Cruise claiming to know psycology. 

I adore you.

Posted by Ken Mierzwa: 
Visualize an elegant woman, one with money, education, a social register type; or a top corporate attorney, or even an olympic athlete, whatever your ideal is.  Now... how large are her breasts?

There is a myth that all men like large breasts.  In reality, truck drivers like large breasts, or guys in tractor caps who hang out in strip clubs, or boys with excess testosterone.  There are no absolutes and there are exceptions to every rule, but as a generality, men with a shred of class would consider large and obviously fake breasts to be a distraction, at best.

Do what you like, but be aware that many of us actually prefer them on the smaller side... and the entire package is always more important than any single element.

Whoa now! I'm a natural 34DD, I'm also a a journalism/poli sci double-major with a 3.97 GPA and an internship at a news paper, and my family vacations usually meant going to Europe.  My boyfriend, an architect and a man with two college degrees, finds my curves quite appealing.  Plus, forget excess testoterone, most folks think he's gay because he's so girly...ah those goth bois.
Please, please avoid the stereotype that women with large breasts are typically unintelligent and from the lower class, and that the men who like them are as well.  Sure, lots of guys like smaller breasts, and more power to 'em! But 99% of guys seem to like breasts regardless of size.  To me, whatever is proportionate looks best, and no, huge tacky implants are horrid, but if someone wants to just feel better about their bodies, it is completely their right.   Also, not all implants look horrible, just most that seem to be photographed do.