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The Model & the B/F
Issue: Model states AFTER the shoot, "don't send bikini & lingerie" images on the same CD as the fashion & glamour". In the last 3 days I have done 2 shoots where both models knew we would be doing SS and lingerie. They brought the outfits they wore, they wanted good photos, as did I, and agreed to all the poses. Now I get calls & e-mails, requesting those images not be put on the web and keep seperate on the CD. And "please don't you use them on your web site!" So I have had to work an additional 2+ hours to keep these girls happy.... I'm thinking of setting policy where if a model has a B/F, she should find another photog. Extreme, maybe, but it will save hours of post-production work. Comments, suggestions, thoughts welcome! Thanks, -G3 Jan 19 07 10:41 am Link All that should be discussed beforehand and outlined in your release. No surprises! As far as restricting your usage..... Talk to the Hand! Jan 19 07 10:44 am Link I had a Similar situation occur with a 19yo model, but she clearly told me her mom was the issue. I hated doing the extra work but i refused to agree to me not putting the images on the web. A new trend?? BTW i love the title of the thread...should be the title of a horror movie. ...has a ring to it like A Horse and his Boy Eli Jan 19 07 10:48 am Link Meehan wrote: Absaposilutely!! Jan 19 07 10:51 am Link Agreed, if you make it clear and she signs on the bottem line, nothing she says after the fact should effect the way you use the shots. Now if your just being Mr.Niceguy, thats fine too. I've had this delima before myself and I imagine alot if not all photographers shooting Glamour have as well at one point or another. I if requested have always been Mr.Niceguy as usually they come back and want to shoot again. Some models/women shoot glamour the first time just to piss their bf off I think. It's like "Don't tell me what to do" or something. Jan 19 07 10:54 am Link TeddyRay wrote: I think you have it dialed-in on that one! The Modeling Release is solid, I hate there to be "issues"..... Jan 19 07 11:00 am Link I'm assuming the existence of model release, usage, etc. and look at it from another standpoint. If you had the same agreement with a celebrity and/or supermodel and days later were asked not to submit them to that magazine, would you oblige? Perhaps she should have thought for a moment about any implications or social inconveniences any photos would have caused PRIOR to the shoot. You should not be limited because a girl had a change of heart (that's why contracts exist in the first place). Jan 19 07 11:00 am Link and then there's the thread about bringing escorts ie: bf's to a shoot, go figure Jan 19 07 11:08 am Link Gregeiger Company wrote: Send both CD's, but label them identically with only the model's name. If she signed your release, web use is determined by your desire to work with her again. Jan 19 07 11:10 am Link Gregeiger Company wrote: I've had the same thing happen to me often enough that I'm kinda used to it. Jan 19 07 11:18 am Link At the risk of piling on, I'll add that I suppose I could be talked into a separate CD for the lingerie images, but there's no way I would be talked out of using a good image that came out of the photo session. UNLESS, she comes across with enough greenbacks to buy all the rights to the images. That's a different story entirely. Also generally pure fiction, since it doesn't happen often. Jan 19 07 11:27 am Link Gregeiger Company wrote: It has nothing to do with a boyfriend. Some boyfriends are obsessive control freaks, some are supportive. You can't make rules just because someone has a BF. Jan 19 07 11:28 am Link Oh, the tangled webs we weave When we practice to deceive. Click's Rule: don't drag me into this childish game playing and squabbles between girlfriends and boyfriends. It's low level Soap Opera mentality. No thanks. Jan 19 07 11:32 am Link i had a model who wanted me to change the electronic date on the images, so her fiancee wouldnt know when she shot them the day we shot, she was only suppose to be doing makeup i told her she had to fess up, cuz i wouldnt do it Jan 19 07 11:32 am Link I JUST had the very same issue happen to me this week!!!! The model didn't ask for two CD's, but she did request that I not use her nudes on my website. With signed model release in hand, I explained that, as a courtesy, I will honor her request to not publish her nudes, but I retain the ability (and responsibility) to use them as I see fit professionally. The necessity of a well-crafted, SIGNED model release cannot be over-stated.... Jan 19 07 11:35 am Link This has happened to me in the last couple of months. Model did the requested pics but we also did some test images of another style, the results were great, model loves them but...... BF does not approve of her doing topless or nudes and does not know she did this. I have the release, I could post them but I worked with the model and came to a compomise that worked for me and her. Images are being used, but you can not tell who the model is and there is no link to the model. At a later time, or new BF - that might change. The only reason I did that with this model is that I have worked with her in the past and she has gone out of her way to help me in the past! Would i do that for a model I have never worked with, well time will tell! Jan 19 07 11:37 am Link crypticarts wrote: Simple solution: never shoot with a model who has a mother! Jan 19 07 12:16 pm Link Daniela V wrote: EXACTLY. And some photographers are control freaks as well. Models not allowed to have boyfriends? Do you really want to put yourself in a position where the model either has to lie to you to shoot or not shoot at all? That is beyond silly. You have a contract/model release. She signs it. That's all you need. Don't be silly. Jan 19 07 12:20 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: But! But! That would eliminate at LEAST 20% of them!!!! Jan 19 07 12:21 pm Link I wish everyone on this site would treat photography and modeling like work ... Show up when you're supposed to. Do what you're supposed to. If you don't like what's in the employee handbook, don't work for that employer. If you don't like the salary that's offered to you, don't work for that employer. If the employer or employee seems shady, unsafe, doesn't have your best interests in mind, don't hire or be hired by them. Have the right supplies, the right dress code, and be knowledgeable of your tasks. Don't let your family and friends drama interfere with your work. Decide what means more to you, the jealous family or boyfriend, or your work ... If your work loses out to your personal life ... time to find a new job. If the work on either side (photographer or model) is half caliber, you probably don't wanna work with 'em again. No call no shows are considered desertion. Fill the position with someone else. You don't make money (both photographer or model) by being "nice". And above all else, act like responsible, mature adults. In your personal life, people may kiss your ass, but this is work ... don't hold up the sign that says "will work for food" then tell us "but I won't do ..." ... N. Jan 19 07 12:28 pm Link I just tell them that they need to read what they sign, before they sign it. Jan 19 07 12:32 pm Link Aaron S wrote: I go one farther than that. Jan 19 07 12:37 pm Link Look your not a model's secret lover. No secrets I'm sorry. I'd be pissed if I wasted my time doing a shoot that I couldn't use the work. WASTE OF TIME< And my time is valuable. Is yours not? Post the best work you have. Your work SHOULD NOT suffer because of some models b.f. What are you thinking?? Are you a photographer or a damn relationship counselor. Jan 19 07 12:38 pm Link Aaron S wrote: So, I guess that means I need to start giving the models my actual releases, instead of just having them sign a blank piece of paper....? Well, that's going to hurt business!!!! Jan 19 07 12:44 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: But, the important question here is....how many have gotten you one double-scoop ice cream sundae? Jan 19 07 12:48 pm Link Aaron S wrote: Ah! One actually did show up with ice cream on our second shoot, believe it or not! But she's turned out to be a real sweetheart in general. Jan 19 07 12:51 pm Link I had a model ask me to shoot some erotic nudes with her partner a few months ago, very hardcore stuff for her personal use. I did, she paid me quite well, and when she came to pick up the CD she said "Be sure to put all the photos with my partner on a separate CD for me. I don't want my husband to ever find them." Silly me, I should have known that "partner" and "husband" weren't the same thing  Jan 19 07 12:51 pm Link Gregeiger Company wrote: GWC = Gregeiger With Camera. Jan 19 07 01:03 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: Clause "H" sounds like a good idea but only if the ice cream is actually whiskey flavored...oh no wait that just whiskey. I had a model threaten to take me to Judge Judy as leagal recourse because she did not like the retouching on her photo's.Needless to say I don't shoot domanatrices or wannabe fetish models anymore. Hell don't dare ask me for TFP I don't come to the dungeon ever and ask them to beat my ass for free. Perhaps if I was into that kind of thing the ice cream would come in handy to soothe burn. Jan 19 07 01:04 pm Link Nemesis73 wrote: Well put! Jan 19 07 01:18 pm Link Gregeiger Company wrote: Silly models *shakes my head* why would you even bother if you're not going to use the photos? *Shrugs* Jan 19 07 01:22 pm Link |
