GNDModeling wrote:
First, my studio shoots nudes, so as I look for new models I always check what the girl has written in her profile, if a girl has written 'not interested' in nude work I never message her.  There aren't all that many girls on MM who are appropriate for my work, when I see one that might be and there's no mention in her profile of her 'modeling limits' I will message her to see if she'd be interested and if she isn't i recommend she put that politely her profile so she won't be approached too often about nudes. 

what i'm seeing is a whole lot of hypocrites these days - with 'I DO NOT I REPEAT I DO NOT DO NUDES! I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MYSELF THAN THAT!'  - many variations of same.  Then I go back and look at their profile and hey, look at Li'l Miss Goody Two Shoes, arching her pelvis so suggestively in a little pair of panties or bikini, there she is again doing the oh so tasteful hand bra,  oh and let's pull that thong as deep into your crevice as your pain threshold can stand.  Puh-leeze -  you are no more virtuous, no more worthy of respect than a girl who does nudes.  What you may claim fairly is that you are more modest, more inhibited, more conservative, more worried about what other people may think or say about you. That's it.

OR...they are in the wrong business!

Shelby Rich wrote:

OR...they are in the wrong business!

In my experience, many models just open up as a function of doing more shoots. They enjoy the daring, excitement and personal fantasy once they lose the "deer in the headlights" fear. Many have contacted me with an idea they want to try when everything in their sites and past work says ultra conservative. Others have thoughtful reasons to never show t & a and still others are just plain psychotic! (And insist on goon / escorts have daily death defying drama in their real lives etc.)

Justin wrote:
Some photographers don't work for free. Some work for free if the model is appealing enough.

Some models don't do nude work. Some don't do nude work for free.

Some of the above are wary of those who would try to push them. That can make them more emphatic.

People have their terms that they prefer to work under. Accept the terms or move on.

do you have reading comprehension problems?  nothing you wrote here has a thing to do with the point i was making. i could care less if a girl poses nude or not orworks for free or wants $50,000.

Carmen the MILF wrote:
OK.....don't TELL ANYONE.....I'll do nudes!

LMAO...

Carmen

And she looks good doing them!!!

BCPrints Com wrote:
oh googs god.. who cares. There are plenty of girls that will pose nude..or there is always a playboy or a busty weekly to look at if you want to see a real naked girl.
If the girls don't want to pose nude..but they have pics in their profiles that might suggest other wise..who cares.
Really, we got a war going on and all people think about is "why do they want an escort"
and "why wont they get naked for me."
Bunch of sick pervs 

Agreed!

Justin wrote:
Some photographers don't work for free. Some work for free if the model is appealing enough.

Some models don't do nude work. Some don't do nude work for free.

Some of the above are wary of those who would try to push them. That can make them more emphatic.

People have their terms that they prefer to work under. Accept the terms or move on.

GNDModeling wrote:
do you have reading comprehension problems?  nothing you wrote here has a thing to do with the point i was making. i could care less if a girl poses nude or not orworks for free or wants $50,000.

Hey, just because you don't understand the point he's trying to make as it pertains to your original post, you don't have to insult the poster. He's explaining why the problem you have with models and their profiles and their nude/no-nude availability happens. If you can't comprehend that, then....

Carmen the MILF wrote:
OK.....don't TELL ANYONE.....I'll do nudes!

LMAO...

Carmen

Psst.. I'm ready to tell you my secret... I see nude models!

ED Edmonds wrote:
How about the ones who say I do not do nudes and have several nudes in their site.

Is this a mixed message or not.

Well, yes and no. It means that they did do nudes (at one time) and they have all the nudes they need/want and they're not doing them anymore. As long as they don't say stuff like they don't do nudes because it's against their beliefs/morals, then there is no mixed message. It may also mean they don't do nudes for YOU! (the photographer looking at the port). Maybe they did it for a close friend and liked the photos enough to put on their port, or they were paid WELL for those.

GNDModeling wrote:

do you have reading comprehension problems?  nothing you wrote here has a thing to do with the point i was making. i could care less if a girl poses nude or not orworks for free or wants $50,000.

Any comprehension problems probably come from being involuntarily cross-eyed from reading  MM post number 19,293 on the same subject in the last three months.

I vote a 6 month moratorium on this same, tired  subject.

Automatic thread lock when it appears...

Image K wrote:

Exactly

ED Edmonds wrote:
How about the ones who say I do not do nudes and have several nudes in their site.

Is this a mixed message or not.

and funny bacon

Meehan wrote:
Nudes spelled backwards is Sedun.

and spells dunse if dunce was spelled dunse  astounding wit? :p

KathyJean wrote:
Anyone who has seen print ads in AVON brochures, women's magazines (not just allure, COSMO, and GLAMOUR), major network television commercials, product packaging at any store, etc. ... has seen implied, semi- and full frontal and rear nudity.

You realize commerical print and llama Mayhem are two different worlds.

The llamas in print ads work through agencies. They get around $300 an hour for lingerie and nudes.

KathyJean wrote:
Anyone who has seen print ads in AVON brochures, women's magazines (not just allure, COSMO, and GLAMOUR), major network television commercials, product packaging at any store, etc. ... has seen implied, semi- and full frontal and rear nudity.

I left out full sideways.

From what I've seen, it appears to be mostly wannabes who are indignant and  vehemently declare for all the world to know (blah, blah).  Do these morally benighted puritans buy Clairol products?  The Herbal Essences ads feature simulated orgasm.  (gasp)  Are these the same ones who have a favorite daytime soap opera, usually rated TV14?  What do they think of male and female bodybuilders, tans, shiny skin, and customary attire?  (gasp)  I mean ...   Well, I never ... (huff) 

Hey, man, I think it's great!  What really amuses me is seeing their sleazy public behavior and lame MySpace photos, reading some of their foul-mouthed slop and drivel, listing cheerleading/volleyball/Spanish club/declamation/football drill team flag girl/waitress job as llamaing credits, and wearing the most asinine slogans on too-small-for-them tees.  There are very many active, working male and female llamas who pose nude. This is business, and I take excellent care of myself.  The money I make is based on that. 

As a former short-term striptease performer, I took the stage five nights a week (8:30-4, right off the bat) to remove what I was wearing while dancing to music. I was chosen more than once a night for limo rides.  I loved it, followed the rules, and made very good money - didn't have to do more than dance.    Some of you remember Foreigner's "Hot Blooded"?  Smoking/drinking/drugging/promiscuity weren't issues in my situation.  Nobody saw me without first paying a cover charge at the door.  I love llamaing, too - for alot of the same reasons.  So who's the slut?  C'mon.  Another's ignorance is my bliss.

I'm outta coffee.

Kathy

GNDModeling wrote:
First, my studio shoots nudes, so as I look for new llamas I always check what the girl has written in her profile, if a girl has written 'not interested' in nude work I never message her.  There aren't all that many girls on MM who are appropriate for my work, when I see one that might be and there's no mention in her profile of her 'modeling limits' I will message her to see if she'd be interested and if she isn't i recommend she put that politely her profile so she won't be approached too often about nudes. 

what i'm seeing is a whole lot of hypocrites these days - with 'I DO NOT I REPEAT I DO NOT DO NUDES! I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MYSELF THAN THAT!'  - many variations of same.  Then I go back and look at their profile and hey, look at Li'l Miss Goody Two Shoes, arching her pelvis so suggestively in a little pair of panties or bikini, there she is again doing the oh so tasteful hand bra,  oh and let's pull that thong as deep into your crevice as your pain threshold can stand.  Puh-leeze -  you are no more virtuous, no more worthy of respect than a girl who does nudes.  What you may claim fairly is that you are more modest, more inhibited, more conservative, more worried about what other people may think or say about you. That's it.

OK. On the basis on your self-righteous, negative, belittling and demanding attitude, I hereby officially refuse to pose nude for you. And your studio can't shoot me nude either.

I have more self respect than to let some guy with a camera fart at me about what he thinks I should or should not do. So take a hike.

GNDModeling wrote:
First, my studio shoots nudes, so as I look for new llamas I always check what the girl has written in her profile, if a girl has written 'not interested' in nude work I never message her.  There aren't all that many girls on MM who are appropriate for my work, when I see one that might be and there's no mention in her profile of her 'modeling limits' I will message her to see if she'd be interested and if she isn't i recommend she put that politely her profile so she won't be approached too often about nudes. 

what i'm seeing is a whole lot of hypocrites these days - with 'I DO NOT I REPEAT I DO NOT DO NUDES! I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MYSELF THAN THAT!'  - many variations of same.  Then I go back and look at their profile and hey, look at Li'l Miss Goody Two Shoes, arching her pelvis so suggestively in a little pair of panties or bikini, there she is again doing the oh so tasteful hand bra,  oh and let's pull that thong as deep into your crevice as your pain threshold can stand.  Puh-leeze -  you are no more virtuous, no more worthy of respect than a girl who does nudes.  What you may claim fairly is that you are more modest, more inhibited, more conservative, more worried about what other people may think or say about you. That's it.

Ask if they signed a release for that hot image because you want to see about using it for the entry page of an internet porn site.  Learn to see the humor in hypocracy.

GNDModeling wrote:
First, my studio shoots nudes, so as I look for new llamas I always check what the girl has written in her profile, if a girl has written 'not interested' in nude work I never message her.  There aren't all that many girls on MM who are appropriate for my work, when I see one that might be and there's no mention in her profile of her 'modeling limits' I will message her to see if she'd be interested and if she isn't i recommend she put that politely her profile so she won't be approached too often about nudes. 

what i'm seeing is a whole lot of hypocrites these days - with 'I DO NOT I REPEAT I DO NOT DO NUDES! I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR MYSELF THAN THAT!'  - many variations of same.  Then I go back and look at their profile and hey, look at Li'l Miss Goody Two Shoes, arching her pelvis so suggestively in a little pair of panties or bikini, there she is again doing the oh so tasteful hand bra,  oh and let's pull that thong as deep into your crevice as your pain threshold can stand.  Puh-leeze -  you are no more virtuous, no more worthy of respect than a girl who does nudes.  What you may claim fairly is that you are more modest, more inhibited, more conservative, more worried about what other people may think or say about you. That's it.

So you have a low tolerance for llamas who say they don't do nudes, then turn around and have P.D.C. Photos in ther port. Ok. And when you come across these llamas you don't waste your time sending them msgs. Seems like you are doing the right thing. Bitching about it, but doing the right thing.

How do u feel about llamas who stick to their guns? Do they get under your skin as well?

Justin wrote:
People have their terms that they prefer to work under. Accept the terms or move on.

I agree, as long as the walk matches the talk.

Meaning that llamas that have a no-nudes policy keep images that suggest otherwise out of their portfolios, and avoid hard-to-quantify terms like "TFCD with exceptional photographers only", etc.

Also, they should not bring their own memory cards...

Bryan Benoit wrote:
Yet another post of a photographer trying to guilt llamas into posing nude.

stfu gimp - where the hell do you get that from?  do you have a reading comprehension problem too?

Michael Moon Studios wrote:
BACON!!!!!

followed by a nice slice of pie

rp_photo wrote:
I agree, as long as the walk matches the talk.

Meaning that llamas that have a no-nudes policy keep images that suggest otherwise out of their portfolios, and avoid hard-to-quantify terms like "TFCD with exceptional photographers only", etc.

Also, they should not bring their own memory cards...

Who are you to tell a llama what to put in her portfolio? If she's previously done nudes and like the images and wants to post them, what's the problem? Because she doesn't want/need anymore, she can't post what she has? It's none of the photographers business what she posts even if it is something she won't do anymore.

As for the TFCD with exceptional photographers only, that's a little more complicated. If the llama has done lots of TFCDs, she just may not need anymore and doing them would only help the photographer. A llama is not a charity where she's required to do free work (once she has reached a level where she can expect payment) for a photographer whose work is not as good as what she has. It's her call, but she should remember that if she helps a new photographer learn his trade, it may pay back for her later.

Memory cards? Forget the sh*t! She'll get a CD when they're watermarked and then clean ones after they're Photoshopped.

Bryan Benoit wrote:
Yet another post of a photographer trying to guilt llamas into posing nude.

GNDModeling wrote:
stfu gimp - where the hell do you get that from?  do you have a reading comprehension problem too?

Sorry OP, that's exactly what this thread sounds like. What the llamas posts in her port has no bearing on what she is NOW willing to pose for.