W.G. Rowland wrote:
How many DIFFERENT threads on escorts can one site take?

sky's the limit!

Ann Marie wrote:
How many DIFFERENT photographers are requesting you come alone?  If they stopped doing it, we'd be able to stop posting about it.

I bring an escort to almost every single shoot that is TFP...whether I know the photographer or not.

She's called MY MAKEUP ARTIST.

Why keep posting about this? Are you THAT fearful for your safety? Do your homework and get references or don't shoot. It's so simple it's ridiculous.

Ann Marie wrote:
How many DIFFERENT photographers are requesting you come alone?  If they stopped doing it, we'd be able to stop posting about it.

So you feel that one thread per photographer and model would just about cover it?  Seems like one hell of a waste of bandwidth.

W.G. Rowland wrote:
- grumpy person who's burnt on this shit.

I've been somewhat vocal on the issue, and I'm just about burnt right with ya.  Let's all just have a giant kegger.  Escorts can come if they chip in for the beer.

LarryB wrote:

I've been somewhat vocal on the issue, and I'm just about burnt right with ya.  Let's all just have a giant kegger.  Escorts can come if they chip in for the beer.

Screw the chipping in for the beer!  Escorts can only come if they supply the beer!  Photographers should only be buying beer for themselves and models!

Ann Marie wrote:
I don't think I've ever understood why photographers who shoot TFP have a problem when you bring an escort.

who cares?

wanna bring an escort? find a photog that allows them....

a photog doesnt allow escorts and you want to bring one...well...dont work with em..

this crap is easy..why is there an issue?

Ann Marie wrote:
My bad.
Sorry for posting something so OBVIOUSLY tedious.

apology accepted

Ann Marie wrote:
I don't think I've ever understood why photographers who shoot TFP have a problem when you bring an escort.

I'm not talking about beginner models or agency/paid jobs with photographers. I'm not even talking about someone you've shot with 10 times.  I'm talking about plain-old "I've never met you in my life" TFP with a photog you meet online.

I know having someone along doesn't interfere with my work.

Is it a performance problem on their end?  If that little stress can cause performance issues, what would "real" jobs be like?  I mean - there are always 2-3 extra people on a set when a "real" job is being done.

COME ON.  Seriously.

I don't have a problem with it as long as the escort doesn't wear squeaky plastic pants or try to edge into the frame while I'm shooting.

LarryB wrote:

I've been somewhat vocal on the issue, and I'm just about burnt right with ya.  Let's all just have a giant kegger.  Escorts can come if they chip in for the beer.

hey that's an idea.. how about if escorts bring their portfolio too..like hey, these are the models I've successfully escorted to shoots and nothing happened to them lol

W.G. Rowland wrote:
Yes, but here's the deal.. And it's the deal to BOTH sides of the argument..

If you're a model who wants an escort.  You only.. ONLY have to convince the photographer you're working with next that you should be able to bring one.  You do NOT have to convince every photographer on the planet.  In fact, in attempting to do so, you may be taking on more work than you can handle.

If you're a photographer who doesn't like escorts, and a model wants to bring one.  It's a very simple business situation.  You, say, thank you.. But I do not work with escorts (whatever the reason), and move on.

Lots more fish in the sea.

Now if you're one of the other two types (Photogs and models who don't care)..  All you have to do is avoid threads with titles using the word "escort"..

Unless the title is something like, "You know..."

- grumpy person who's burnt on this shit.

Yup.
I am one of those photographers who provides MUA, Cash and CD.
No escorts.
...on to the lots of beautiful fish in the sea without escorts..

Lamonica wrote:
Everytime a new escort thread gets posted, God kills a Kitten....



I hope you feel good about yourself!

awwwwww, that's insane!

LarryB wrote:
I've been somewhat vocal on the issue, and I'm just about burnt right with ya.  Let's all just have a giant kegger.  Escorts can come if they chip in for the beer.

StudioMona wrote:
hey that's an idea.. how about if escorts bring their portfolio too..like hey, these are the models I've successfully escorted to shoots and nothing happened to them lol

Oh gawd, don't get me started!  Ok fine, but only if all the photographers bring their portfolios of all the models that came unescorted and nothing happened to them! 

William Milberry wrote:
I've never posted to one of these escort threads so I thought I would despite the fact that this issue has been discussed a lot here.

I'm relatively new here and while I will never say or discourage a model if she wants to bring an escort I really prefer if she doesn't bring one.  For me it's a simple matter of the afore mentioned performance anxiety.  I'm most comfortable and work best with one person.  A person sitting off to the side or chit-chatting is a distraction.

Despite that I clearly understand why models need escorts and being a TFCD photographer I'm not going to make a big concern out of it.

I'm kinda at the opposite in that since I do mostly TFP/TFCD at the moment that I'd rather not deal with escort issues. If someone wants to pay me in the future, they can bring a battalion of escorts with them to the shoot

LarryB wrote:
I've been somewhat vocal on the issue, and I'm just about burnt right with ya.  Let's all just have a giant kegger.  llama herders can come if they chip in for the beer.

StudioMona wrote:
hey that's an idea.. how about if llama herders bring their portfolio too..like hey, these are the models I've successfully llama herdered to shoots and nothing happened to them lol

LarryB wrote:
Oh gawd, don't get me started!  Ok fine, but only if all the photographers bring their portfolios of all the models that came unllama herdered and nothing happened to them! 

LOL fair enough and what will the models bring ? lol

Rowen wrote:
I could care less of a model brings an *escort*.  My photography studio is also a recording studio and I have bands in here all the time.  Usually, there are more people who are friends/significant others of the band than there are members of the band itself.  So, what's the big deal?  I don't understand photographers who refuse models to bring escorts.  WTF?  It's not like any of these photographers have trade secrets that some *spy* will reveal to the world.

This is why I post, though!  The IMPRESSION I get from photographers who don't allow escorts is that:

A. They want the model all to themselves in a personal way (ick!)
B. They are easily distracted by BOYFRIENDS.  Not girlfriends, not styists, not makeup artists...but ___BOYFRIENDS___.  Even if the MODEL isn't distracted by her BOYFRIEND, THEY are...what does that mean?

I'm not worried about getting raped.  I'm worried about being murdered.  I'm worried that somebody is leading me to believe they are doing something for mutual benefit and then jerking off like an acne-ridden 13-year-old boy to the photos afterwards.

I'm not going to be there - why should I care?

Well - It's CREEP FACTOR.  Pure-and-Simple.

I chose not to shoot with them.  So what?  It's STILL creepy.

Ann Marie wrote:

This is why I post, though!  The IMPRESSION I get from photographers who don't allow escorts is that:

A. They want the model all to themselves in a personal way (ick!)
B. They are easily distracted by BOYFRIENDS.  Not girlfriends, not styists, not makeup artists...but ___BOYFRIENDS___.  Even if the MODEL isn't distracted by her BOYFRIEND, THEY are...what does that mean?

I'm not worried about getting raped.  I'm worried about being murdered.  I'm worried that somebody is leading me to believe they are doing something for mutual benefit and then jerking off like an acne-ridden 13-year-old boy to the photos afterwards.

I'm not going to be there - why should I care?

Well - It's CREEP FACTOR.  Pure-and-Simple.

I chose not to shoot with them.  So what?  It's STILL creepy.

Paranoid much?

Lamonica wrote:

Paranoid much?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking... Maybe the OP is in the wrong line of work.

  Just sayin'...

StudioMona wrote:

LarryB wrote:
I've been somewhat vocal on the issue, and I'm just about burnt right with ya.  Let's all just have a giant kegger.  Escorts can come if they chip in for the beer.

StudioMona wrote:
hey that's an idea.. how about if escorts bring their portfolio too..like hey, these are the models I've successfully escorted to shoots and nothing happened to them lol

LOL fair enough and what will the models bring ? lol

Pictures of themselves.  Most of us never get tired of that!  And cups.  Somebody needs to bring lots of cups.

Pat Thielen wrote:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking... Maybe the OP is in the wrong line of work.

  Just sayin'...

Honestly, it's starting to look like there is no maybe about it.

Ann Marie wrote:
I'm worried that somebody is leading me to believe they are doing something for mutual benefit and then jerking off like an acne-ridden 13-year-old boy to the photos afterwards.

lol and having an escort will prevent "them" from doing that later on with the images? lol ..just wondering

Ann Marie wrote:

This is why I post, though!  The IMPRESSION I get from photographers who don't allow escorts is that:

A. They want the model all to themselves in a personal way (ick!)
B. They are easily distracted by BOYFRIENDS.  Not girlfriends, not styists, not makeup artists...but ___BOYFRIENDS___.  Even if the MODEL isn't distracted by her BOYFRIEND, THEY are...what does that mean?

I'm not worried about getting raped.  I'm worried about being murdered.  I'm worried that somebody is leading me to believe they are doing something for mutual benefit and then jerking off like an acne-ridden 13-year-old boy to the photos afterwards.

I'm not going to be there - why should I care?

Well - It's CREEP FACTOR.  Pure-and-Simple.

I chose not to shoot with them.  So what?  It's STILL creepy.

You're kinda weird.  I'll choose creepy over weird.  And trust me, no one's jerking off to your photos afterward.  Even if they wanted to, they wouldn't have to TAKE the photos, they could just come onto MM and see them.  And mine too.  I don't understand your "logic".

Ann Marie wrote:
A. They want the model all to themselves in a personal way (ick!)
B. They are easily distracted by BOYFRIENDS.  Not girlfriends, not styists, not makeup artists...but ___BOYFRIENDS___.  Even if the MODEL isn't distracted by her BOYFRIEND, THEY are...what does that mean?

Ann,

Honestly, I have been distracted by boyfriends on several occasions - not because I have a problem with them being there but because *they* have a problem with their girlfriends/S.O.'s being there.  This instantly places me in the middle of THEIR personal problems in their relationship. 

While I don't do porn, I do skirt around the artistic nudity work on many occasions.  Some boyfriends can't stand the idea of their girlfriend posing nude.  Now, while a lot of my photos don't show all that much up front, I do see a lot more of the model in the studio than the pictures may show.  That's only natural, of course, as we are working and setting up a picture.  For me it's not a big deal.  I'm 45.  I've been a photographer for 30 years.  I'm a musician.  I've toured the world in my band.  I've *SEEN* naked women - thousands of times.  Ahem. Nothing new to me..... I'm not there to get a woman naked, I'm there to try to capture some kind of ethereal essence, some kind of visually pleasing piece of art that I can frame and hang on my wall and/or place on here for you all to check out and - hopefully - enjoy.

But, some *boyfriends* just don't get the idea of Art and Model.  Not everyone will. That's life.  When they become disruptive in the studio when I am trying to work with someone, that can be an issue with me.  Other than that, I'm cool with it. I've met a number of very cool guys that would help me out with props, lighting, ideas, etc.  That I can definitely deal with and actually enjoy!  When everyone is in on the Creative Process, shoots can be awesomely fun!

-R

Ann Marie wrote:
This is why I post, though!  The IMPRESSION I get from photographers who don't allow escorts is that:

A. They want the llama all to themselves in a personal way (ick!)
B. They are easily distracted by BOYFRIENDS.  Not girlfriends, not styists, not makeup artists...but ___BOYFRIENDS___.  Even if the llama isn't distracted by her BOYFRIEND, THEY are...what does that mean?

I'm not worried about getting raped.  I'm worried about being murdered.  I'm worried that somebody is leading me to believe they are doing something for mutual benefit and then jerking off like an acne-ridden 13-year-old boy to the photos afterwards.

I'm not going to be there - why should I care?

Well - It's CREEP FACTOR.  Pure-and-Simple.

I chose not to shoot with them.  So what?  It's STILL creepy.

I prefer to not have escorts on set, but not for the rather interesting reasons you site.

  A: I prefer to have the llama to myself for artistic reasons, not "personal" reasons. I'm not quite sure what that means, but it doesn't sound good to me.

  B: I get distracted by anyone on set who's not supposed to be there. There is a difference between having a stylist or MUA on set and an escort. The escort is only there to watch, which I don't particularly like. Photography is not a spectator sport, and anyone who doesn't belong there is a distraction whether it's a boyfriend, a wife, or an alien from Alpha Centauri.

  Also, and escort will not protectyou from being raped, nurdered, or magically cause the photographer to not start "jjerking off like an acne-ridden 13-year-old boy to the photos afterwards." If a photographer is evil and wants only to do you harm they will desptie the escort; they'll just be fed into the wood chipper first.

  You seem to be very paranoid and creeped out by this. Are you sure you really want to be a llama? Just curious...

  -P-

Melissa Lynnette wrote:

You're kinda weird.  I'll choose creepy over weird.  And trust me, no one's jerking off to your photos afterward.  Even if they wanted to, they wouldn't have to TAKE the photos, they could just come onto MM and see them.  And mine too.  I don't understand your "logic".

I love you Soulmate!!!

Ann Marie wrote:
This is why I post, though!  The IMPRESSION I get from photographers who don't allow escorts is that:

A. They want the model all to themselves in a personal way (ick!)
B. They are easily distracted by BOYFRIENDS.  Not girlfriends, not styists, not makeup artists...but ___BOYFRIENDS___.  Even if the MODEL isn't distracted by her BOYFRIEND, THEY are...what does that mean?

Hey, I did it!  My eyes rolled so far back they went all the way over!  That was wierd.

My impression from your post is that you either:

A.  Haven't read anything the anti-escort people have written,
B.  Only read and remember selectively,
C.  Are unable (or unwilling) to try to see anybody else's point of view.

I'm not going to rehash the arguments here.  There's too many threads on this issue already.  Both sides have made their arguments over and over, but all you get out of all that is that a photographer who doesn't allow escorts is only motivated by a desire to fuck you?  Good lord.  Even many of the photographers who allow escorts would prefer that you not bring your boyfriend, and the reasons for that have been posted again and again.

Unbelieveable.

Melissa Lynnette wrote:
You're kinda weird.  I'll choose creepy over weird.  And trust me, no one's jerking off to your photos afterward.  Even if they wanted to, they wouldn't have to TAKE the photos, they could just come onto MM and see them.  And mine too.  I don't understand your "logic".

Really? Damn! I'd much rather be weird than creepy!  LOL!

-R

Rowen wrote:

Really? Damn! I'd much rather be weird than creepy!  LOL!

-R

Well see, I don't like people that much.  Being creepy keeps them away from me.