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Baffled by models choices
Usually I do the picking of what images the model gets. Or I give them a small variety to choose from. I was having an off day and this time for some reason I said ok to letting the model pick her images from the entire shoot. And I must say that I am astounded by her choices. Only 2 of her picks matched mine. And most of what she chose I'm not even considering keeping. I understand different people like different things, but...wow. Anyone else have this occur? Jan 08 07 01:14 pm Link Nope. For trade shoots, I give the models all of the retouched images that I'm prepared to have out there with my name on them. They then can choose from those. None, one, or all, that's fine with me. If a model asks, I'll let them suggest what they like from the proofs, but that's rare that they ask. Very rare. Jan 08 07 01:24 pm Link I'm getting ready to work with a few photographers, that are going to let me choose a handful of images that I like, to be edited. But just like the photographers, I'm more than happy to not use an image, if it's something they'd feel uncomfortable displaying as a piece of work they've done. Jan 08 07 01:28 pm Link SKPhoto wrote: females tend to view images far differently than males. as well, models tend to view shots from an aesthetic and photographers from a technical point of view. few beyond agents view imaging of models from the vantage of what sells. Jan 08 07 01:30 pm Link Models want photo's which they look good in. Photographers want photo's that look good. The two things are different. Sometimes models make the strangest choices. But I don't care. I think it behoves a photographer to let the models choose what pictures they have from shoots. Jan 08 07 01:35 pm Link From the TFP's i've done, i've asked the photographers to send me the photos that they think would be best for my port. They're more experienced than me, so I trust their judgement. Jan 08 07 01:40 pm Link I let the models choose a few and I choose a few. I try to make sure that anything I wouldn't want the model to use are never seen by the model. The views a model wants are rarely the ones I want, but often the ones that are finally put up by the model are the ones I chose. Jan 08 07 01:43 pm Link SKPhoto wrote: I never ever agree with the photographer on what the best image is. Jan 08 07 01:45 pm Link When I do TFPs, the photographer sends me a disk of the proofs, I choose between 8 and 20 that I like and they edit those photos. I pick the ones where I think I personally look good. The photographer may love the lighting in one particular pic, but my thigh might look the size of Texas in it. I dont want that. Of course I always value the photographers opinion, and if they feel quite strongly about a certain image, Ill pick that one over one Im hee-hawing over...  Jan 08 07 01:55 pm Link Photographers just look at different things than models. Models might like their expression or how his/her body looks in the pic and a photographer could be looking at the lighting or angles. Each person is looking at their own work. Jan 08 07 02:02 pm Link I found it's a good idea to roughly censor pics before letting the model choose, just to make sure they don't pick an image you're really uncomfortable with having out there as an example of your work. But yes, models and I usually end up thinking the other is crazy as far as their choices go. As long as neither of us uses images the other really REALLY can't stand, everybody's happy. Jan 08 07 05:15 pm Link Short answer: That's why there's horse tradin' Obscure answer: I once was photographing a nude model -- she had just removed all her clothing, we were just getting started, and she was concerned about people seeing the lines on her ankle from her socks. I had to say to her, "baby, no one is going to be looking at your ankles!" Long answer: People have different tastes. You might make a killer bikini photograph, but the model might feel that she has plenty of bikini images in her portfolio, so she might prefer that head shot instead. Or you might have a fine photograph of the model's back, and she might think she has a big butt. It happens. Why worry? Jan 08 07 06:13 pm Link I have only ever had one photographer pick an unflattering picture of me as their favorite. Usually I agree with photographers on personal picks...But then I want pictures with good lighting, niether the photographers or myself want unflattering pictures. Because of this I am typically give all the pictures shot so I can work with them. I have enough respect for my photographers and myself to not put "bad" pictures out for view, I also expect the same respect. Jan 08 07 06:20 pm Link Happens to me all the time , so I let the models make their own selection but include my choices as well - One thing continues to amaze me though - I always start any TfCd with some plain portraiture, and one of these images is almost always chosen - Jan 08 07 06:27 pm Link Dawn Winter wrote: Marry me. :-) Jan 08 07 07:11 pm Link Reminds me of an illustration class I took years ago. The instructor told us that if we came up with two or more ideas for a project, never show the art director or client the one you were least enthused about. That is the one that invariably gets picked. Doug Jan 08 07 07:19 pm Link Doug, That wouldn't be Murray Tinkleman at Syracuse U. would it? Greg Jan 08 07 07:42 pm Link I usually show all the photos to the models because I like understanding what the other person likes and dislikes. Likewise, the model can also get a feel for how i'm shooting and adjust accordingly. In my opinion, this approach turns the "shoot" into its own living and breathing entity. But thats me. I've also got horny muppets and psycho midgets in my portfolio. Jan 09 07 01:49 am Link SKPhoto wrote: Why would you even allow images that are not up to your standards in circulation? Jan 09 07 01:54 am Link Yeah, it's often a surprise. I'll send the "second tier" of photos to the model, the ones that I think are passable but not the best, and she'll fall in love with one of the ones that I almost didn't process. Jan 09 07 02:44 am Link FaceReality wrote: This is so true! My husband was just explaining this to me not too long ago....we always disagree on my images. I'm trying to look at my images from a consumer's point of view, but it's difficult. For example, I always pick the lingerie images with the "come over here" look, but those images look slutty to the average male, therefore putting me in a bad light or whatever you would call it. I'll tell you what really sucks, when you pay a photographer an assload of money and then he ignores the request to edit ONE image! Jan 09 07 03:45 am Link SKPhoto wrote: that's why i ask them not to delete stuff Jan 09 07 03:48 am Link Dawn Winter wrote: That is a friggin great idea. Although I'm not retarded I suddenly feel like a light bulb has brightened above my head. Jan 09 07 03:48 am Link that is why I only retouch three images now, and give the full sized images to them for them to find a retoucher if they want. I also give them all the images I retouch for myself, Star Jan 09 07 03:50 am Link DHayes Photography wrote: Oh, not always. Maybe 80% of the time. Jan 09 07 03:50 am Link Thanks for the post! Models get the ones available, like you said, None, one or all, makes no difference to me. Sometimes we get flexible though. Happy New Year! >.......Jimmi Jan 09 07 03:51 am Link Dawn Winter wrote: for me its often the reverse Jan 09 07 03:52 am Link SKPhoto wrote: Even with my best model who has been around for 15 years! She sees things i don't in images of her and I fix them up too so she can be happy too. Jan 09 07 03:55 am Link all mikes images are awesome Jan 09 07 03:56 am Link Julia B wrote: Well that certainly adds a twist in the plot. Does whom is paying whom play a role in what shots are candidates for puplic display? Should it? I would think that if you are paying me to shoot you, then you would definitely have dibs on which ones are processed for you. If I'm paying you for the shoot, then I'm going to process the shots I want. If you want different ones, you can offer to pay for them. The work doesn't end when the lens cap goes back on. If Donald Trump is paying us for the shoot, then Donald Trump decides which ones get processed. TFCD? well we're just going to have to make some compromises aren't we? Jan 09 07 04:24 am Link SKPhoto wrote: In that case, I would only give her the 2 you agree upon, and would only use the 2 you agreed upon. As someone else stated, Models look at pics differently than Photogs. If you both agree on 2 images, then those 2 are most likely the 'Best of the Bunch'. Jan 09 07 04:54 am Link Julia B wrote: FaceReality wrote: This is so true! My husband was just explaining this to me not too long ago....we always disagree on my images. I'm trying to look at my images from a consumer's point of view, but it's difficult. For example, I always pick the lingerie images with the "come over here" look, but those images look slutty to the average male, therefore putting me in a bad light or whatever you would call it. I'll tell you what really sucks, when you pay a photographer an assload of money and then he ignores the request to edit ONE image! You should have had a better contract... Jan 09 07 05:17 am Link SKPhoto wrote: I'm glad somebody brought this up -- I was just thinking about this yesterday.... (I recently received shots from two recent shoots and, while I was pretty pleased with most of the pics, I was sad to not find some of the ones I was hoping to get.) Jan 09 07 11:20 pm Link bump Jan 10 07 06:25 pm Link Sometimes a photographer will choose a shot because it makes him/her look good and via versa for the model. Jan 10 07 08:10 pm Link It depends...how much is the model paying me? Jan 10 07 08:12 pm Link When I do shoots, I have the photographer upload all my images onto my laptop, but I let him pick which ones I post. The rest, I give to family because I know regardless of how bad they look, my mother will cherish them Aren't moms great for that? lolJan 10 07 08:13 pm Link I don't mind the model choosing the photos she likes. Normally though it is more a collaboration of what we both like. A model is going to be her/his own worst critic so they are normally checking themselves out while you are looking at the lighting, etc.. Jan 10 07 08:17 pm Link Thats why some people become models, others become photographers. Successful photographers know what they like, what looks good, and how to pull it out of a scene, and then the raw image. However in this day and age, Im learning to give the customer what they want, just remember you are putting your name on the image. Just as the model has to remember she is putting her image, on your picture. hopefully we all come out of this looking good :-) charles kafka SKPhoto wrote: Jan 10 07 09:21 pm Link Carole Hayes wrote: Because life is not always fair and there are Never any guarantees... If the Photographer is accepting those same images as partial/full payment what is his guarantee that he will get anything he wants? Carole Hayes wrote: This is the only way to do it for everyone to be happy... Carole Hayes wrote: Absolutely most definitely! Jan 10 07 09:39 pm Link |
