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Runed Sky Photographics wrote: i have done something i contacted the mods...about her. Jan 06 07 04:34 am Link Runed Sky Photographics wrote: i think the purpose of this thread was just to ALErt other photogs in the area which i think should be appreciated. I think all the replies got out of context making it seem as if her intentions were others.. Jan 06 07 04:42 am Link Darkdesire wrote: There is a huge difference between. Jan 06 07 04:45 am Link Darkdesire wrote: Yeah! My point exactly! Jan 06 07 04:52 am Link SUSI_mg8 wrote: I can understand her being defensive to an extent if she truely were a victim witness, which is why I thought she needed to clear her head and gather her thoughts before she started to make things up to fill in the details or made false assumptions, which is a very natural human response to such confusing situations, and let the right people who should know (the police at this point) know about it. Jan 06 07 04:53 am Link Runed Sky Photographics wrote: It seems that you missed the complete point. She didnt say that the photographer raped this particular person. But that the person is making the CLAIM that she was raped by this photographer. Jan 06 07 05:08 am Link Darkdesire wrote: MsHeidi wrote: HOW was this a good thing..?? The photog got ACCUSED anyway.. Jan 06 07 05:13 am Link You misunderstand me... I agree with you totally on this taking impact on the reputations of all parties involved and how significant that is. Whether the model's claim is true or not is besides the point, which I completely agree. The question I'm raising is: why is the OP, as what appears to be a key witness, knowing this significance, only appear to be willing to state her claims to this online forum and not to the authorities who, as she claims, have already been called by the model who is telling them that this photographer raped her? Jan 06 07 05:15 am Link Runed Sky Photographics wrote: When the authorities contact her she will then have opportunity to tell them if they haven't already. But the authorities aren't on this board, and here is where the professional reputations of the individuals involved could/would be damaged as well. Jan 06 07 05:20 am Link UIPHOTOS wrote: The PLUS side is that if it has to go to court there are an extra set of eyes to testify on behalf of the injured party, because in reality THAT is where it REALLY counts. In court. Jan 06 07 05:22 am Link As far as "outing" a model OR a photographer, it's not wise because it contributes more potential drama (gossip) to the story, AND it's against the rules here. This is not some sort of "model/photographer court" nor is it possible for any of us to know the truth. We were not there. I started a thread regarding how escorts can be utilized, and this is an example of how the models escort has provided a strong alibi for the photographer in an unusual twist of fate! Wow! Now I understand why I am the one who actually feels more comfortable when there is an escort! One of my own family members who used to be very supportive of me had started a nasty rumor attack on me after I caught her in a lie on something that is devastating her life. She has been in denial; of her problem, so she struck back at me the most personal way possible. As far as I can tell, it back fired on her. What damage that has been done is not as bad as it has been to her own reputation. I would not do anything to destroy my career. What that model attempted to do in reporting a false rape could potential destroy that photographers career. In her having you accompany her at the shoot, you became a protector to the photographer. It's highly unusual that something like this happens, but you are to be commended for making a stand for truth. Integrity is more than just words. Thank you. Jan 06 07 05:28 am Link AprilinCA wrote: Considering that the person filing the report is the model claiming to be raped, chances are slim that the accusing model would tell the police that the OP was there and saw everything unless the OP was going to agree to her story.... by the time they get to the OP it might even be too late for the photographer. As much as the states take an official "innocent until proven guilty" stance, the law enforcement and most people take the "guilty until proven innocent" route, even if he was only arreseted but not convicted he would still be harmed! AprilinCA wrote: My flags went up when all she seemed intrested in doing was ruining the model on the board, and not protecting the photographer IRL AprilinCA wrote: I remember someone mentioned the possibility that both the OP and the model's story might be true if perhaps the model had another encounter with the photographer without the OP's knowledge or being there and the OP, possibly misunderstanding, heading off on a more detailed description of what happened the night of the shoot she escorted. But I don't think the point that the photographer MUST have done it or MUST NOT have done it has been raised by anyone but the OP. I could have missed something? Jan 06 07 05:32 am Link AprilinCA wrote: If it gets that far. I've seen accusations made by someone in my own family backfire and make her look like the liar she is. In my case, there were no names or witnesses to any wrong doing. I refused to go to places or get into circumstances that she tried to set my up for. Photographers having their own escorts is not a bad idea! Jan 06 07 05:35 am Link AprilinCA wrote: "If" the authorities were actually contacted! Jan 06 07 05:37 am Link i dont know what the issue is except for bad music. re-read what she wrote. she said her friend told her she was rapped by the photographer. isnt that what happens when you play too much rap music? sexual assault is rape or raped. bad urban music assault is rapped. which one is it? Jan 06 07 07:40 am Link Darkdesire wrote: Jan 06 07 09:21 am Link Darkdesire wrote: i think it would be a bunch of shit...if you were there, followed her everywhere, or never left her alone with the photog, but why would she accuse him of rape if he never touched her, maybe she wants to say, foundled, or rubbed, ask....RAPE is one of those crimes tht's hard to fake, or do with out entering unwanted territory. Jan 06 07 09:33 am Link Kalene wrote: i agree with tht!!! Jan 06 07 09:37 am Link Runed Sky Photographics wrote: well...i agree with you, and i see what she was trying to do as well. but my thing is this is a friend of 10YEARS....!! how long has she been knowing the photog, people are different infront of others all the time, (social behaviors), so maybe, but if it did happen, or not, i think she sould have talked with her friend, and to be honest i would've never posted this. I would have left it as a warning thread and thts tht!! or used it as a+ for models who do come with an escort, and how this would benefit both model and photog as intended. Jan 06 07 09:42 am Link Hey Steph, I see your point and agree, that has long been a worry of mine, even though I would never do something like that the thought of having that happen, being accused is so disheartening, I take my female partner as much as I can (you hvae met her) but that is not always the norn as we take our share of shoots and split them. Keep up the good work girl !! Mac Jan 06 07 09:54 am Link Patrick Walberg wrote: i just picked this response, but....this is why doctors male or female have a nurse in there when doing a pap, or anythign dealing with a women and her genital area. Its to bare witness to the actions taking place. So i would think tht as a photog, accepting the escort may not be so bad. And it is a good thing, though ironic,tht a friend of ten years, claiming tht nothign happened will stand in court. But what they have to do is investigate, there's semen tht has to be tested for,and all three will share their sides of the stroy. To be honest, if he were named i still wouldn't judge him, i'd be confused to why she'd make a story liek tht up when the severity of rape is so intense, "what so she can get the pics for free?"(motive?). The question whether he did it or not will never be known to us, And souldn't since the names of the photog and model or kept in secrecy. Which mean every1 is safe. So reputations wont be damaged. I saw someone trying to warn the witness, of her saying, and watch for what she's doing. Even though you're not posting the names of the photog/model here, if they email you you will, and you may expose her to an angry photog who may leak it, which isn't fair to her(model), if it is true tht he did, cause now her reputation is damaged, and vise versa. So i would play it safe." Jan 06 07 09:59 am Link I'm getting the distinct impression that the BF isn't happy about her going on the shoot, so she made up the story in order to act as if she was a victim in order to get him off her ass. This is why it came 2 days later and she only talked to the BF. My advice, slap your friend for being an idiot and tell the photographer you have his back, and that he should sue her for defemation of character, filing false charges and that'll learn her lying ass. Though one question I have for you, were you in their presence the whole time? was there ever a time that they had a good 15 minutes of alone time and she came out looking disheveled and him with a shit eating grin on his face? Jan 06 07 10:21 am Link This kinda speaks to the maturity level of models who require escorts. I get it in a paid gwc shoot where a model is acting as a glorified stripper. I dont get it in a real portfolio building collaboration situation. Jan 06 07 10:26 am Link female partner in a business sense, or in a personal sense. either is much better than no one, how ever a witness not in partnership with you would probably be a better witness. like an independent contractor makeup artist for example. she presumably has no conflict of interest influencing her testimony. rich wolff wrote: Jan 06 07 11:27 am Link *raped Jan 06 07 11:31 am Link if the person telling the truth leaks the name of the one not telling the truth. that would not be slander or liable, and would imo be in the bests interests of this community, and society in general. (unless it is a confused truth) which does not seem to be the case from the information provided. Yahshikar cajuncameleon wrote: Jan 06 07 11:34 am Link After reading this whole thread (and I want those three minutes of my life back, please), I'm prepared to go out on a limb... I don't believe a word of it. Jan 06 07 11:35 am Link Christopher Ambler wrote: Which part? *scratching head* Jan 06 07 11:44 am Link Christopher Ambler wrote: Starting to sound an awful lot like a "look-rape", or an "I know he wanted to too-rape". Jan 06 07 11:44 am Link Darkdesire wrote: Hmmmm. I would suggest personal caution and discretion. If I read this thread right, you say you received a call from a model's BF saying that she was raped at the session you were her escort at... and that you can attest to the fact that you were at her side the whole time and nothing happened. You don't say that she, or her BF, are posting here on MM or anywhere else in public accusing him of raping her. Yet you come on this public website and start talking about this "situation" AND tell people to message you if we want to know the names of the people involved. WTF. Frankly, this reeks of gossip and drama mongering. Why are you here talking about this? Have you tried to call this model? Do you know what the actual details of the accusations are, and whether or not the BF or model have gone public with the accusations? Have you contacted the photog? Have you contacted the police... especially since you were informed of an allegation that you would be a witness to? Jan 06 07 11:49 am Link this is a really confusing thread, it seems to me you should be talking to the police or the d.a. or some sort of lawyer for one or the other of them. you aren't in north carolina are you by any chance? also unless this is a minor ... a charge or even official accusation and all the details surrounding that charge/accusation is a matter of public record or soon will be. with the possible exception of her name. unless i am mistaken ?? i'm shocked this isn't news worthy on at least a regional level. being raped is a big deal, being raped while on a photo shoot is news! did something other than photography (but not a rape) happen? and she had to make up a story for the BF when he figured out what had happened? it's just hard to believe what you say is happening, can be happening. with the slight details you have posted. it seems very unlikely. all this being said, ideally (just like with paperwork) both parties in a photo shoot should have something/someone working in favor of their interests. if you are on the up and up, a video surveillance system in your studio can be a good thing, stories like this almost seem to make it an necessity. if only to keep you baser desires in check. cell phone photos have saved people from jail time before, and i suspect video surveillance systems have as well. or at least worked in the interests of justice. Jan 06 07 11:53 am Link A question to the op: Your friend's user name doesn't happen to contain something like the words "heart" & "desire" in it does it? op I suggest you contact the mods to have this thread locked. It could get really ugly in here... Jan 06 07 12:02 pm Link This is why I only shoot with either a MUA or my wife the studio manager present at any shoots. I deal with false claims all the time as member of the LE community. Everyone needs to protect themselves!! We have actually considered placing a Security camera in the Studio (Not in private areas) to document and disprove any claims of harassment/sexual assault. I hope to never worry about any claims against me and having to prove my innocence. But the world is filled with those who can live in the fictional side of life. My policy is that the model and the photographer will never be alone! Period with out discussion. There will always be another female present. ************************************************************* I'm not getting into that Escort thing (Serious Brain Pain) But I will ask this one little question? If you bring a friend can I bring one too? I would have been so pissed if my wife was at a shoot and the photog's buds came over to watch. (Crap I went there, My brain pain is hurting) Everyone needs to use some common sense, just don't put your self in a situation that creates a situation that one could twist reality. Models that have been accosted or assaulted please except my sincere sympathy. Should this have happen to my wife I would. (Better to be left unsaid) Jan 06 07 12:04 pm Link Y'know, the money that I'm no longer paying to OMP for yearly platinum plus memberships is already better spent. I will seriously consider purchasing an MM membership when that opportunity again becomes available, unless bullshit threads like this and too many others continue to thrive and flourish. Jesus, man. Jan 06 07 12:06 pm Link Darkdesire wrote: So you're trying to get your "friend"s portfolio shut down?? Hmmmm... This whole thing is pegging my "smells fishy"-meter all the way in the red zone. Jan 06 07 12:10 pm Link If you want legal advice...... "I stayed at a Holliday Inn last night!"  Jan 06 07 12:13 pm Link |
