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Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
I hate doing this or anything...but of the 4th of janurary I escorted a friend of mine to a shoot. I won't say her name or the photographers if you want to know who email me..I arrived early to the shoot to help set things up for her, and be there before she arrived...never left her side...shamefully this woman is claiming the photographer rapped her and thats just not possible. I have traveled shot alone with this person more times then I can count, and hang out with him once twice a week..my sister shoots with him too and speaks highly of him. I would never ever work with a slimeball. I have been rapped at a shoot before as well...and take this seriously!!!! I truely hate people trying to ruin others, and I will never ever recommend this lady!! You think you know somebody after 10 freaking yrs...please becareful people..this man is innocent!!!
Photographer
photosbydmp
Posts: 3808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia
i am sure i am opening a can of worms, but chaperones are always appreciated by myself, i am sure this guy was happy as hell you were there., and well done for speaking up.
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Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
DMP Studios wrote: i am sure i am opening a can of worms, but chaperones are always appreciated by myself, i am sure this guy was happy as hell you were there., and well done for speaking up. I appreciate my friends and photographers I know everyone I recoomend before I do so...and extreamly pissed!!!
Model
Idaho
Posts: 1271
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US
No escorts damnit!
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Idaho wrote: No escorts damnit! in this case it was a good thing...
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11176
Oakland, California, US
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Iona Lynn wrote: http://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=104237 Right, you just found out about this tonight..over two days later does someone tell you about an alleged rape. That happened in a studio while you were present... Good way to keep yourself in our memory.... its bullshit if it did happened she would not of waited so long...
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Idaho
Posts: 1271
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US
Darkdesire wrote:
in this case it was a good thing... I know! I am practitioner of what I like to call ruthless irony. I am waiting for the male photographers who want all their female models to come alone and explain why you shouldn't have been there and why you protecting this photographer is a bad thing. If you don't hire a MUA/Stylist you might need an escort!
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Idaho wrote:
I know! I am practitioner of what I like to call ruthless irony. I am waiting for the male photographers who want all their female models to come alone and explain why you shouldn't have been there and why you protecting this photographer is a bad thing. I just hate liars and the funny thing I never take an escort ever... If you don't hire a MUA/Stylist you might need an escort!
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11176
Oakland, California, US
So what has this model told you about the situation? Since you have been her friend for 10 years?
Photographer
duds here
Posts: 397
Chicago, Illinois, US
Maybe you should mention the name of the model so other photographers won't have to go through this. Not to be mean but if someone is willing to ruin a persons reputation for no reason people should know so they can save themselves from this. Too bad the courts do not have the right to put falsely accusing people in jail for fraud, false police report etc.
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Iona Lynn wrote: So what has this model told you about the situation? Since you have been her friend for 10 years? thats the thing she has her ex bf call me...i try to find out what happened and they won't tell me shit...its sad knowing somebody for so long and then she pulls this shit...
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
CL Photography wrote: Maybe you should mention the name of the model so other photographers won't have to go through this. Not to be mean but if someone is willing to ruin a persons reputation for no reason people should know so they can save themselves from this. Too bad the courts do not have the right to put falsely accusing people in jail for fraud, false police report etc. I don't want to post the name on just cause if photgraphers want to know email me and i will say who it is...
Photographer
JM Dean
Posts: 8931
Cary, North Carolina, US
If you were there and never left her side it doesnât sound like an issue to me. Whatâs the point?
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
JM Dean wrote: If you were there and never left her side it doesnât sound like an issue to me. Whatâs the point? just want other photographers to be aware of it...
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11176
Oakland, California, US
That in its self is ruining the reputaion of a model... If someone decided to let every local photogrpaher know that I cried wolf on a photogrpaher I bet I'd be losing jobs pretty damn quickly. No outing on MM I'm pretty sure that means on either side.. You will just have to contact the OP and message her for the info of the alleged incadent.... Since this thread pops up right after one about older experenced models not getting the paying jobs the younger fresh faced models get.... They say, even bad press is good press...
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ElitePhotosPhotography
Posts: 729
Los Angeles, California, US
CL Photography wrote: Maybe you should mention the name of the model so other photographers won't have to go through this. Not to be mean but if someone is willing to ruin a persons reputation for no reason people should know so they can save themselves from this. Too bad the courts do not have the right to put falsely accusing people in jail for fraud, false police report etc. There can be legal ramifications for doing such a thing. I would definitely refrain from listing her name. P.S. This is not legal advice and you should contact an attorney regarding any matters of law.
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Iona Lynn wrote: That in its self is ruining the reputaion of a model... If someone decided to let every local photogrpaher know that I cried wolf on a photogrpaher I bet I'd be losing jobs pretty damn quickly. No outing on MM I'm pretty sure that means on either side.. You will just have to contact the OP and message her for the info of the alleged incadent.... Since this thread pops up right after one about older experenced models not getting the paying jobs the younger fresh faced models get.... They say, even bad press is good press... Very true and I done contacted her....
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
cisstudio wrote:
There can be legal ramifications for doing such a thing. I would definitely refrain from listing her name. P.S. This is not legal advice and you should contact an attorney regarding any matters of law. thats why I listed no names at all...maybe I'm wrong for thinking on warning others but shit...I hate reputations being ruined on lies!!
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The Dave
Posts: 8848
Ann Arbor, Michigan, US
Nevermind, read your post wrong...
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ElitePhotosPhotography
Posts: 729
Los Angeles, California, US
Darkdesire wrote:
Very true and I done contacted her.... I would be very careful about your topic. I am sure you have heard of "Defamation of Character." P.S. This is not legal advice but merely and you should contact an attorney regarding any matters of law.
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JM Dean
Posts: 8931
Cary, North Carolina, US
Darkdesire wrote:
just want other photographers to be aware of it... Report her to the mods. Have her set off this site. You were there, there. Gavel down. case closed. A one in a million situation. I need not be warned of someone I have no idea who it is.
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Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Double Eagle Studios wrote:
Darkdesire wrote: I arrived early to the shoot to help set things up for her, and be there before she arrived...never left her side...shamefully this woman is claiming the photographer rapped her and thats just not possible. IF? You said you were there and it isâjust not possibleâ So⦠make up your mind. First you say it is not possible then you say âifâ like it is possible. So if it did happen, were the police called? i was there the whole time but i'd like to speak with upon why she would say such a thing,...they said police were called but its been two hours nobody had shown..
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Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
JM Dean wrote:
Report her to the mods. Have her set off this site. You were there, there. Gavel down. case closed. A one in a million situation. I need not be warned of someone I have no idea who it is. good idea i'm gonna do that and not continue this topic...have a mod shut it down..
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Scissor Industries
Posts: 153
San Jose, California, US
Thank the world for honest people. Thank you.
Photographer
ElitePhotosPhotography
Posts: 729
Los Angeles, California, US
Maybe she wasn't raped during the session you were at. Have you ever thought about that? Perhaps they completed another session in which you were not there and the alleged incident took place then or if it was a TFCD/Prints, then when she returned, the incident happened then (these are just assumptions). Whether this happened or not and considering that you claim to not know any facts, I would have definitely refrained creating this forum. Of course, however, this is just my OPINNION, and is not meant to be legal advice.
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Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
cisstudio wrote: Maybe she wasn't raped during the session you were at. Have you ever thought about that? Perhaps they completed another session in which you were not there and the alleged incident took place then or if it was a TFCD/Prints, then when she returned, the incident happened then (these are just assumptions). Whether this happened or not and considering that you claim to not know any facts, I would have definitely refrained creating this forum. Of course, however, this is just my OPINNION, and is not meant to be legal advice. nope could not of happened I saw her drive away and he was standing next to me...after that i talk awhile with the photographer and got home @ 11:00 and she drove he did not know where she lived...
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
cisstudio wrote: Maybe she wasn't raped during the session you were at. Have you ever thought about that? Perhaps they completed another session in which you were not there and the alleged incident took place then or if it was a TFCD/Prints, then when she returned, the incident happened then (these are just assumptions). Whether this happened or not and considering that you claim to not know any facts, I would have definitely refrained creating this forum. Of course, however, this is just my OPINNION, and is not meant to be legal advice. FACT I was with her the whole damn time!! saw her leave and all...was her first modeling job if she would talk to me i would want to hear her story. but if it happened why would she wait to call cops much less 35 hours later??
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Idaho
Posts: 1271
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US
Darkdesire wrote:
I deleted a lot of dead space that I inserted. I am confused. You (Darkdesire) never take escorts? I think most of my confusion is due to the lateness of the hour...
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11176
Oakland, California, US
Darkdesire wrote: I hate doing this or anything...but of the 4th of janurary I escorted a friend of mine to a shoot. I won't say her name or the photographers if you want to know who email me..I arrived early to the shoot to help set things up for her, and be there before she arrived...never left her side...shamefully this woman is claiming the photographer rapped her and thats just not possible. I have traveled shot alone with this person more times then I can count, and hang out with him once twice a week..my sister shoots with him too and speaks highly of him. I would never ever work with a slimeball. I have been rapped at a shoot before as well...and take this seriously!!!! I truely hate people trying to ruin others, and I will never ever recommend this lady!! You think you know somebody after 10 freaking yrs...please becareful people..this man is innocent!!!
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Idaho wrote:
I deleted a lot of dead space that I inserted. I am confused. You (Darkdesire) never take escorts? I think most of my confusion is due to the lateness of the hour... nobody will go with me to my shoots tried taking escorts before but...my friends or family were not available..in the past i have when i had someone to come.
Photographer
Sharen Style
Posts: 178
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
get a hot drink, get off the forums and get your head in check. When you've calmed down and are certain about your claims, report them to the police. In most cases you can approach them seperately from your friend and let them know you may have information regarding the alleged crime. the longer you spend trying to convince other people of your side of the story, the more of a story it'll be!
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Runed Sky Photographics wrote: get a hot drink, get off the forums and get your head in check. When you've calmed down and are certain about your claims, report them to the police. In most cases you can approach them seperately from your friend and let them know you may have information regarding the alleged crime. the longer you spend trying to convince other people of your side of the story, the more of a story it'll be! I don't care if people believe me or not....I know the facts of what happened cause i was there...i would not make claims if it was not true fact!!! Just let this thread die...
Photographer
Sharen Style
Posts: 178
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
so really, you're not concerned with your friend and the photographer's situation, it's just a slow night and you're looking for company?
Photographer
afterdarc studios
Posts: 1196
San Diego, California, US
stop working with dirty old photographers... and start working with dirty young photographers like me.
Photographer
Daniel
Posts: 5169
Brooklyn, New York, US
Darkdesire wrote: I hate doing this or anything...but of the 4th of janurary I escorted a friend of mine to a shoot. I won't say her name or the photographers if you want to know who email me..I arrived early to the shoot to help set things up for her, and be there before she arrived...never left her side...shamefully this woman is claiming the photographer rapped her and thats just not possible. I have traveled shot alone with this person more times then I can count, and hang out with him once twice a week..my sister shoots with him too and speaks highly of him. I would never ever work with a slimeball. I have been rapped at a shoot before as well...and take this seriously!!!! I truely hate people trying to ruin others, and I will never ever recommend this lady!! You think you know somebody after 10 freaking yrs...please becareful people..this man is innocent!!! My opinion..... 1. Defamation and slander are very much illegal, not to mention pathetic. 2. I haven't read any of the responses nor do I care to (no offense), but if you know for a FACT that this photographer did not rape this model, or if you know for a FACT that this photographer did rape this model, then you should fully stand behind the person being honest regardless of what you may feel for the person personally. ... and that's not only because it's the right thing to do. 3. If you don't truly know what the FACT of the matter is, then this is just gossip and inapropriate.
Model
Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Runed Sky Photographics wrote: so really, you're not concerned with your friend and the photographer's situation, it's just a slow night and you're looking for company? whatever!!! If I wanted silly attention I'd go in the shout box or go on myspace where the pervs are at...
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Darkdesire
Posts: 588
Tucson, Arizona, US
Daniel Savage wrote:
My opinion..... 1. Defamation and slander are very much illegal, not to mention pathetic. thats why i'm standing by this photographer he is innocent..I won't defend someone who is guilty.. 2. I haven't read any of the responses nor do I care to (no offense), but if you know for a FACT that this photographer did not rape this model, or if you know for a FACT that this photographer did rape this model, then you should fully stand behind the person being honest regardless of what you may feel for the person personally. ... and that's not only because it's the right thing to do.
Photographer
Sharen Style
Posts: 178
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Darkdesire wrote: whatever!!! If I wanted silly attention I'd go in the shout box or go on myspace where the pervs are at... but you don't seem to want to do anything except get attention?
Photographer
Daniel
Posts: 5169
Brooklyn, New York, US
Darkdesire wrote:
If you were there the ENTIRE time, then you most certain do know, and I hope the photographer exercises the first bullet in my reply.
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