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Searcher wrote: Kaitlin Lara wrote: Ah, that was someone else. C David Stephens wrote: Searcher wrote: I was saying that if you struggle for your art it can mean more to you personally in the end, and it's sad if he fakes the struggle. But I think I was misinterpreting what he said anyway. Jan 02 07 12:45 am Link Searcher wrote: If you hadn't started such a sensational thread with such sensational statements, you wouldn't have a problem with "sensationalists". Jan 02 07 12:56 am Link Searcher wrote: Brian Diaz wrote: Searcher wrote: It sounded like you meant on MM. Jan 02 07 12:57 am Link This thread makes me feel yucky inside  Jan 02 07 01:02 am Link Kasmia wrote: me too Jan 02 07 01:05 am Link Sandra wrote: me three Jan 02 07 01:07 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: Sorry. I did not. Searcher wrote: Brian Diaz wrote: I never expect people to get so hyper about simple ideas like this. I don't see my original post as sensationalist. When I wrote it I was simply passionate about the concepts, I suppose. Brian Diaz wrote: Well, yes. It is a hypothetical. It is something I would like to be able to ask a model, but it is only hypothetical. Jan 02 07 01:10 am Link Kasmia wrote: It wasn't supposed to. I just wanted to talk about getting shots with clear emotions. Jan 02 07 01:12 am Link I'd totally do that. I love making people squirm Jan 02 07 01:14 am Link I understand what Searcher is trying to say about wanting a model to step outside of his/her box. To throw their inhibitions to the wind. But if the subject of the photo were something less violent that you asked, would the model be willing to do it, without having been asked before hand? Such as..pose nude when they've never posed nude before? Then you step into comfort zones and it is up to the model on how comfortable they feel. If they trust the photographer enough, would they do it? Did you work with this same model times before to gain that trust, or do you want the model to be raw enough to do what you ask upon first meeting them? Do you build a slight relationship during the shoot THEN pop the question? Then how do you react when the model says no? Treat them with respect or tell them they are not real visionaries? Intensity is great. Fear and discomfort for only the artists sake is not. Jan 02 07 01:39 am Link Sandra wrote: Kasmia wrote: me too Maura wrote: me four... Jan 02 07 01:56 am Link Searcher wrote: Searcher wrote: Searcher wrote: Jan 02 07 02:02 am Link Searcher wrote: As a former cutter, you don't want that look in the eyes. It means shear desperation, shear depression; that's what got me in that position to begin with. It's not a proud moment and certainly not something I would do, as I struggle not to do it. Jan 02 07 02:06 am Link Searcher wrote: You can get shots with clear emotions by acting it out too you know. Act it out like any emotion, happy sad or whatever. Jan 02 07 02:10 am Link Ceana, it is a compliment to you that you do not know what Searcher is suggesting. He is too far gone, in a place that is really dark and scary. He can not hear you. Jan 02 07 02:45 am Link Searcher wrote: Mia Salen wrote: I will drink to that. I wish you success on your struggle. Jan 02 07 02:48 am Link Daguerre wrote: Searcher wrote: I will drink to that. I wish you success on your struggle. Thanks Jan 02 07 02:50 am Link Daguerre wrote: lmao... Ok... I will step away... ;-) Jan 02 07 02:54 am Link I have dwelled into this subject quite extensively. To simply ask someone to cut on command for realism clearly does not understand the emotional process the individual is going through. Therefore any sacrifice for art sake would not be real unless you are in the moment. A model/actress familiar with the process will be able to convey all the realism you need without the bloodshed. I guarantee it. I had no problem getting that look in her eye. Iâve posted a few shots in the critique forum a while back. Interesting reading from those who are cutters. https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060728/18/ … f7c8a0.jpg https://img4.modelmayhem.com/060728/18/ … 04dbf0.jpg Jan 02 07 12:01 pm Link Anyone worth their salt would just go take pictures that get the emotions they are looking for. Posting about it on a website is stale. Go take some photos, improve at what you are doing. The emotional content of the photograph is your responsibilty not the model's. Jan 02 07 12:49 pm Link Searcher wrote: I hate to toot my own horn, but in this instance I feel it'd help make a point. You can get clear emotions without real danger...so this is where I start to disagree with you. I'm all for the idea of sacrificing for art...but "the look in the eyes"? You don't need real, physical, in-the-moment pain to do that. Just find a girl who knows how to act. Jan 02 07 01:29 pm Link A series of photos of someone cutting herself, real or faked, is going to be pretty lame compared to the work of performance artist Orlan. She basically has herself surgically mutillated as her art. Not for the sqeamish: http://www.english.ucsb.edu/faculty/eco … geries.htm I have makeup artist friends who can produce latex prostheic scars that look like the real thing as well as convincing fake blood. If I employ them to make up a model and then I tell you the pics are the real thing, how would you know they are not? Doug Jan 02 07 01:36 pm Link |
I'm doing pretty well, it's just not some place I would force myself back into for the sake of photography.
