Forums > Modeling > Difference between male and female nude

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Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

I was wondering waht could be the reason that we see more allowed in images as it concerns female models, while some male nudity seems to be more a taboo.

We see some female models 'spread all wide', while a male model with an erection is not allowed.
Why the difference?

And what do you think should be allowed and what should be not, both with male and female models.

Mar 09 26 06:16 am Link

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Chris Macan

Posts: 13197

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

society is geared towards the likes and phobia of the male mind.
pretty girls good, anything else bad!

Mar 09 26 08:09 am Link

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Znude!

Posts: 3388

Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US

Taboos depend on the location mostly. In some cultures women are forced to completely hide themselves from head to toe while men do what they like. I am sure if you find the right location you will be able to exhibit anything at all.

Mar 09 26 08:18 am Link

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Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Chris Macan wrote:
society is geared towards the likes and phobia of the male mind.
pretty girls good, anything else bad!

I am afrid that's true and even more than I could have suspected.
Less male minds in a lot of things would be a good thing, I think.

Mar 09 26 11:48 am Link

Model

Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Znude! wrote:
Taboos depend on the location mostly. In some cultures women are forced to completely hide themselves from head to toe while men do what they like. I am sure if you find the right location you will be able to exhibit anything at all.

Agree. But it's also here, on this site. Woman allowed to show more than men.

Mar 09 26 11:49 am Link

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Unveiled Boudoir

Posts: 21

Pensacola, Florida, US

I don't think an erect penis is a bad thing. It's just anatomy. Not a big deal at all. Some people are immature about it I guess.

Mar 09 26 11:55 am Link

Model

Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Unveiled Boudoir wrote:
I don't think an erect penis is a bad thing. It's just anatomy. Not a big deal at all. Some people are immature about it I guess.

I agree.
But anyway, an erect penis is not more bad as a wide open vagina, but the last can be seen here.

Mar 09 26 12:11 pm Link

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Modelphilia

Posts: 1134

Hilo, Hawaii, US

Unveiled Boudoir wrote:
an erect penis is . . . Not a big deal at all..

More true for some men than it is for some of the rest of us . . just sayin'

Mar 09 26 04:57 pm Link

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Unveiled Boudoir

Posts: 21

Pensacola, Florida, US

Modelphilia wrote:

More true for some men than it is for some of the rest of us . . just sayin'

If someone is offended by an erect penis, they need a therapist.

Mar 09 26 11:11 pm Link

Model

Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Unveiled Boudoir wrote:

If someone is offended by an erect penis, they need a therapist.

It is not about if an erect penis is wrong or whatever, it's about: Erect penis is a no go here on MM, a wide spread vagina is allowed in pics.... I just wonder: Why the difference?

Mar 10 26 12:17 am Link

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Unveiled Boudoir

Posts: 21

Pensacola, Florida, US

Nick Beaumont wrote:

It is not about if an erect penis is wrong or whatever, it's about: Erect penis is a no go here on MM, a wide spread vagina is allowed in pics.... I just wonder: Why the difference?

Yes I know the rule on here. I don't agree with it at all. I'm not sure why the difference.

Mar 10 26 10:46 pm Link

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Audrey Rinehart

Posts: 60

New York, New York, US

I mostly stopped shooting male nudes, because of how fixated male models seemed to be on their own genitalia. I pose people in ways that do not expose that area or use shadows to partially conceal private bits. I posted a casting once, about 5 years ago, seeking men for figure studies. I made no mention of my own gender or anything personal like that, and specified the project was for fine arts and figure such as what could be displayed in a gallery setting. I had a gallery interested in featuring some of my nude work, and I wanted to represent more men -- for equitable gender representation and all that, because it is important. Instead of getting suitable and interested models I got a lot of people telling me their penis length and asking if they were large enough to pose nude. I got random cell phone pictures of disembodied genitals as well. It was the dumbest thing I ever wasted time on, because one's penis has no bearing on their ability to pose for art nudes, and it is barely (if at all) visible in the work I'd be shooting. I never thought about "suitable penises," because not only are all penises suitable and fine, but that sort of thing was completely irrelevant. Yet, people with penises seem to be bizarrely obsessed with them, and it makes casting for male nude projects more trouble than it is worth. The gallery went out of business due to Covid struggles anyway, and I abandoned that project for years.

Mar 11 26 07:00 am Link

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Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Audrey Rinehart wrote:
I mostly stopped shooting male nudes, because of how fixated male models seemed to be on their own genitalia. I pose people in ways that do not expose that area or use shadows to partially conceal private bits.

I enjoy hearing about your professional experiences on both sides of the camera.

I like to read and value your opinion and perspective on different topics.

Mar 11 26 08:03 am Link

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Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Audrey Rinehart wrote:
I mostly stopped shooting male nudes, because of how fixated male models seemed to be on their own genitalia. I pose people

Too bad, I think.
I guess men are more fixated than women, but we also see pics of women with their legs spread wide open. And I wonder why  that shoould be allowed while an erect penis is a no go here.

Mar 11 26 12:01 pm Link

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Weldphoto

Posts: 859

Charleston, South Carolina, US

As many women have pointed out here there is no real way to tell is a woman is sexually aroused as she is being photographed. That is not true with men. An erection happens only when there is some sexual stimulation real or imaginary. Once overt sexual arousal happens the tone of the image changes. A woman can be wildly excited and the photographer won't know it.  Not so with a male. So if one is not wanting to shoot sexually charged nudes, he/she does not want an erection on the model. Ergo; woman are a safer bet since nothing screams - arousal!  To be sure men can get erections without having any interest in the photographer - they sometimes just pop up. They also go away. A woman speading her legs does not mean she is aroused or interested in anything, she just wants the viewer to become so.
I suspect Mayhem's anti-erection rule is its attempt to avoid being considered a soft-porn shop. Maybe it's a legal issue, maybe the owners don't like erect penises. Who knows, but that is the rule.

Mar 11 26 07:16 pm Link

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Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

@Weldphoto: Clear!

I can understand the arousal matter. When I pose for pictures the standard is: no erection. Only if the photographer wants to have some pics with an erection in it, it is possible, when it feels good and save, that is clear that I am not seducing the photographer in any way. I can be comfortablke posing with an erection, as long as there's no sexual intention while shooting.
Sometimes people assumed there was sex after the shooting, but that has never been the case and never will be. But of course I do understand some people think that way. Too bad, I think.

So I understand (and respect) the rule, but I think art should be free and there's nothing wrong with an image in which an erect penis can be seen, I think.

Mar 12 26 12:01 am Link

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Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

PS

Weldphoto wrote:
As many women have pointed out here there is no real way to tell is a woman is sexually aroused as she is being photographed.

Many women????

Mar 12 26 12:02 am Link

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Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

To the 'free woody' supporters.

One of the most under-reported parts of the experience of women online is the fact that they regularly receive unwanted photos of men's penises. In 2016 it was so common that it merited little discussion. Today sending messages to women containing 'dick picks' regardless of how artistic some people may view them, could result in a legal charge of Sexual Harassment,

So post your exposed woody pics in your model portfolio as per the rules of MM, but I would caution photographers to think carefully before they send a message to a female recipient containing pictures or links to pictures of a male person exposing their junk, I suspect an image of an erect penis is a bridge too far.

Model Mayhem is an international site and as such their rules must best reflect the decency v obsenity rules and laws of the many States and Countries they service around the world. Rules and laws which can differ between State to Sate and National laws and the high level of modesty required and expected of models in their respective countries.

Mar 13 26 01:42 am Link

Model

Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Camera Buff wrote:
Today sending messages to women containing 'dick picks' regardless of how artistic some people may view them, could result in a legal charge of Sexual Harassment,

I totally agree,
'Dickpics' are just as boring as wrong, I think. Never understood why men are sending those (unasked for) to women.

Mar 13 26 03:40 am Link

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Frederick C

Posts: 143

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

MHO;
I’m getting tired of seeing Silicone tits, Dick-pics and tattoos. For the tattoos there is an excuse as some wearers are promoting their preferred art.  Silicone tits are also promotion but, they should get redone after significant capsular contracture occurs, as the result is pathetic.
Dick pics are the foremost plot of homosexuals or men promoting sex, as their crotch is the main focus of their images.  The same is happening on Model Society.
Please stick to Art, Glamour and else; keep the sexual organs out of your portfolio OR Move On; there are millions of Porno SItes available to you.

Mar 13 26 09:00 am Link

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Unveiled Boudoir

Posts: 21

Pensacola, Florida, US

Weldphoto wrote:
An erection happens only when there is some sexual stimulation real or imaginary.

False. A penis becomes erect from nonsexual stimulation and nonsexual reasons as well. It's not exclusive to sexual arousal.

Mar 13 26 09:53 pm Link

Model

Nick Beaumont

Posts: 23

Enschede, Overijssel, Netherlands

Unveiled Boudoir wrote:
False. A penis becomes erect from nonsexual stimulation and nonsexual reasons as well. It's not exclusive to sexual arousal.

Agree. I got an erect penis laying in the sun on the beach, where someone made some pics of me, as natural as can be and the penis wasn't the subject at all. And no sexual stimulation, just me feeling free and enjoying the shining of the sun.

Feeling comfortable and free, an erection happened while shooting. Nothing to do with sex or porn, but I guess some people have the idea that when an erection is in the picture, it is porn to them.
Maybe the problem is that male nudity is often connected to sex, while in fact it's not. And I am not talking of a louzy pic with just a penis on it.

Mar 13 26 11:43 pm Link

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Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Unveiled Boudoir wrote:
False. A penis becomes erect from nonsexual stimulation and nonsexual reasons as well. It's not exclusive to sexual arousal.

Can you please help me to understand why it is that for me you have no Avatar pic and when I click on it a message opens saying that this Member was not found.

Is this what happens when another member blocks me? Or is it a local glitch in the system that I will need to report to the Moderators to obtain a fix?

Mar 14 26 03:55 am Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11956

Olney, Maryland, US

Unveiled Boudoir wrote:
False. A penis becomes erect from nonsexual stimulation and nonsexual reasons as well. It's not exclusive to sexual arousal.

Camera Buff wrote:
Can you please help me to understand why it is that for me you have no Avatar pic and when I click on it a message opens saying that this Member was not found.

Is this what happens when another member blocks me? Or is it a local glitch in the system that I will need to report to the Moderators to obtain a fix?

1) The member has no Avatar pic.
2) Yes, if the member has blocked you, you will get the "Member was not found" message.

Mar 14 26 01:50 pm Link

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Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Mark Salo wrote:
1) The member has no Avatar pic.
2) Yes, if the member has blocked you, you will get the "Member was not found" message.

Thank you for your two answers.

Am I correct in saying that you a can not see his Avatar, but you can access and view his portfolio?

I only ask because I often see a number of other members who do still have viewable Avatars, but I still get the "Member was not found" message.

Mar 14 26 11:16 pm Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11956

Olney, Maryland, US

Mark Salo wrote:
1) The member has no Avatar pic.
2) Yes, if the member has blocked you, you will get the "Member was not found" message.

Camera Buff wrote:
Thank you for your two answers.

Am I correct in saying that you a can not see his Avatar, but you can access and view his portfolio?

I only ask because I often see a number of other members who do still have viewable Avatars, but I still get the "Member was not found" message.

He has no avatar. There is no avatar to see. Yes, I can view his portfolio. (You can also if you logoff, unless he has restricted to members only.)

You will see an avatar in the forums even if that member has blocked you.

Mar 15 26 01:46 pm Link

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Model MoRina

Posts: 6749

MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica

I could talk about why historically men were depicted with flaccid penises... because it was considered more masculine to show self-control... but maybe it really just comes down to stabby vs squishy.

Mar 16 26 07:57 am Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Redacted - Post made in error.

Mar 16 26 08:46 am Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Mark Salo wrote:
He has no avatar. There is no avatar to see. Yes, I can view his portfolio. (You can also if you logoff, unless he has restricted to members only.)

You will see an avatar in the forums even if that member has blocked you.

Thank you for your help Mark. I was able to read this member’s ‘About Me’ and view the images in his portfolio.

I now know what advice I gave him about the challenges he may/will likely face in turning professional. I wish him every success in his pending venture.

Mar 16 26 08:53 am Link

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Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Nick Beaumont wrote:
“I got an erect penis laying in the sun on the beach, where someone made some pics of me,……” 
“ …… just me feeling free and enjoying the shining of the sun.”

“Feeling comfortable and free, an erection happened while shooting.”

Did the someone who made some pics of you think to use the time lapse technique? 😂, 😜, 🙃

Mar 16 26 08:57 am Link

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Unveiled Boudoir

Posts: 21

Pensacola, Florida, US

Camera Buff wrote:
Mark Salo Wrote:
He has no avatar. There is no avatar to see. Yes, I can view his portfolio. (You can also if you logoff, unless he has restricted to members only.)

You will see an avatar in the forums even if that member has blocked you.

Camera Buff Wrote:
Thank you for your help Mark. I was able to read this member’s ‘About Me’ and view the images in his portfolio.

I now know what advice I gave him about the challenges he may/will likely face in turning professional. I wish him every success in his pending venture.

This is the only time I will address this. I will never respond to you again and I hope you reciprocate by leaving me alone.

I blocked you a while ago. I don't like you. I don't care about your opinions or posts. Your pontification about "challenges" of a business in a country you don't live in was not only unsolicited but 100% inaccurate for my business and my local laws. This isn't my first business, I know what to do. I was under the impression that blocking a member also blocked the visibility on the forums as well, but obviously that's not the case. If you couldn't see my profile, but then you stated you were able to read my "About Me" and my portfolio, you can't do that when you are blocked so you somehow circumvented the blocking feature of the site. Stop it. Leave me alone. Stop stalking my profile. That's creepy as fuck. Just pretend I don't exist and never pay attention to me ever again please.

Mar 16 26 10:23 am Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 1107

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

To Unveiled Boudoir

Your COMMAND is my WISH

Don't let my posts in the past … spoil your today, tomorrow, or even one more second of your life.

Mar 16 26 10:52 am Link