Roaring 20s wrote:
Anyone ever notice that people only invalidate how good AI is when they are told to evaluate whether something is AI at all?

When it's good is the operative metric.

Facebook and other platforms are awash in terrible AI videos.
it's garbage being pushed that no one wants, and there does not seem to be a way to filter it out of my feed.

If I have to scroll by 72 new terribly fake "Sora" AI videos every time I log on I just might deplatform.

LnN Studio wrote:
There are many good uses for ai. Bad video and AI models are not in that category.
I think FB,IG and similar platforms need to require AI models and people must be identified as such.

I would suggest that it's not in Facebook / Instagram's interest to "out" AI models or AI generated content.

In fact, if more and more people become less and less active on the platforms, they can more easily hide those trends, and also actively push people for even more engagement.  All by leveraging AI to constantly generate more and more "content".

Remember that their only interest is trying to constantly generate more money.  I.E.  More "eyeballs", whether that's for advertising or for data collection of personal tastes / preferences and political leanings, etc, etc.  So, unfortunately, in many ways AI content is their "friend".


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P.S.  I certainly agree with your larger point.  There are good and bad uses of AI.

Modelphilia wrote:
For another perspective, that of thwarting the training of AI-engines on our real photography and artwork, please see my related recent post in the photography forum.

I see the value in consent, I also see that ship has sailed as

1) the training has already occurred on enough content that image and video models can generate anything

2) models are trained on synthetic data already, meaning that we are not the main characters here at all. none of our works are anymore. the models being created right now are using data specifically generated by other models.

3) Nightshade - the image polluting mechanism in your linked articles - was from 2023, and its not even clear if it would afflict modern image and video models, which is the least relevant part here

Hollywood and the actors union also spent a lot of energy on this branch of protectionism, not realizing the value of synthetic data sets. They successfully added legal safeguards against using AI to replicate actors without consent. But actors can consent, and it also turns out that nobody cares to bother as they just create a new synthetic person and create images and videos off of them. It gains a following on social media and continues onward.

Roaring 20s wrote:
1) the training has already occurred on enough content that image and video models can generate anything

Have you seen the shit that is flooding social media?
it's loads of obvious fake garbage videos, and yet it entertains the masses.

AI holds so much promise is for research and processing massive amounts of data....
and still, like everything else it is squandering huge amounts of resources to make shitty cat videos.

Further evidence that a not insignificant percentage of humanity sucks.

Roaring 20s wrote:
Anyone ever notice that people only invalidate how good AI is when they are told to evaluate whether something is AI at all?

I think there are enough examples now where the general understanding is that its not possible to tell while being entertained by generative AI models, videos and songs. But I also know there are a lot of people completely out of the loop, especially if you've been in a pattern for a few years.

Lately I'm seeing social media profiles that are mixed content, where maybe 1/3rd of the content is AI generated and the other older videos, just like the disinformation campaigns from the last decade where the disinformation blended in to real information. People engage with it like its all real. Older people that are avoiding AI can't be convinced that their new favorite profile is AI because of the non-AI videos. Many don't care.

People are entertained

How is it going for any AI assisted creators? for consumers are there any series you've started to like? Any artists or even spicy content you like?

AI IS soulless garbage....lucky for some, there are lots of retarded people who love it

Garry k wrote:
As a Fashion Photographer who transitioned into AI 2.5 years ago I feel that AI needs about as much " soul " as a fashion model walking down the runway with a blank look on her face or another model posed in a magazine ad offering the same vacant look ... I understand that the primary purpose of Fashion Imaging is to sell clothes and anything else is secondary

But i have enjoyed doing fashion photography for over 20 years ( mainly due to the Social Aspect of it ) and will continue doing it as a hobby

I think though that photography will continue along fine in other areas where the real soul needs to be captured ie weddings, family , babies and children , pets , ,events etc  ( all the boring stuff lol )

I started my AI journey at the suggestion of a skilled  Designer/ Photographer friend who found AI to offer a better representation of his fashion vision . We had been friends in the 2000s but he went to the Middle East - to Design for one of the Royal Families for a decade and upon his return he decided to restart his business here using AI .. He is a Couture Wedding Designer who finds it much easier to use AI to show his clients what he is capable of making than actually make the prototype of the garment to show them , So his AI reflects both his vision of the garment ( and the context ) but also his ability to construct it accurately

I am no Designer but once i started using AI i became hooked and would will say that I now spend 90 per cent of my creative time and energy doing AI and about 10 per cent doing photography

I have become very good at AI to the point that I was ranked in the top tier of a FB AI Group of 300k users that i belonged to .Early on ( and in response to that horrid red portrait of King Charles that was unveiled ) I created an Image of Princess Diana that generated 56k likes ( which was a record for the group at that time ) And of course as with anything popular - others tried to emulate or even make a image of the late Princess than I had . The most successful competitor was able to get 30 likes on his image ... Thats when I realized that there were levels of imagination , vision , style , technique and skill involved in AI ... I am not suggesting that it is anywhere near as challenging as photography - but there are levels to it

Commercially with my AI I have not done well so far . In the Fall of 2023 I approached one of my Citys top Fashion Designers ( at a Fashion Event ) and asked her if she had ever considered using AI for her campaigns and ads . She didnt even know what AI was at that point so i had to provide her with a basic education regarding the matter . Over the course of 2024 we talked here and there about it and last Nov she approached me to ask if I could salvage her Spring Campaign with AI  . Her team in China had photographed her whole line of garments and accessories ( 180 photos ) using only one fairly average looking Chinese Model . Previewing the Campaign I realized 2 things ...One Model could not carry the whole campaign and some of the photography was poor . So I proposed that we use AI to create 3 distinct looking Models ( 2 Caucasion plus the original Chinese Model ) and try and fix the badly shot photos with similar looking AI Images . She agreed( by email ) and told me that she would go through the campaign and choose the first 30 images to be fixed

But she never followed through with providing those images . I just assumed that she had backed off because there is still a lot of controversy in the community about AI in Fashion . But I saw the Designer last week at our Fashion Week and asked her what had happened ? She apologized profusely to me for not letting me know - but she had found a Chinese AI Image Creator who had done the work cheaper ( I was only charging $15 per image ) so she went with him .... So when i returned home that night I checked her website and it was filled with this other persons AI ( but they were look book style images and not salvaged images from her campaign )

Initally i felt quite bad about what had happened to me . .I suspended the rebuilding of my website and took all my Images down ( except 1 short video )  from my IG account @AIFMW

But i have since rethought about the AI thing - and have decided to take it in a new direction

Anyway the attached image was created on the second day of learning AI , and having created a series of similar images - I was hooked



The inspiration for this image comes from a couple of real life Fashion Models i know - who have walked in Milan and both took the early morning train down to Rome so they could pose in front of this Fountain

your "work" is a joke.  AI is just theft