Chris Macan wrote:
That's a two way street,
we also travel to locations only to get stood up,
we rent equipment and buy perishable supplies only to get stood up.
flaking sucks on both sides of the camera.

I make it intentionally challenging for models to set up time with me so that we are both invested in making it happen,

Has a legitimate professional model, expecting to receive a financial income, ever flaked on you?

Or is flaking mostly associated with the unwanted behaviours of amateur hobbyist models and photographers, where in their case generating a livelihood isn't critical?

Camera Buff wrote:
Has a legitimate professional model, expecting to receive a financial income, ever flaked on you?

Or is flaking mostly associated with the unwanted behaviours of amateur hobbyist models and photographers, where in their case generating a livelihood isn't critical?

Exactly.

I remember this photographer did not understand why he was getting flaked on so much when he would put together "group shoots". I would repeatedly tell him that if he actually paid professionals, this would not happen.

Once a photographer canceled our shoot last minute because he couldn't figure out how to close his garage door. Yep. You read that right.

Chris Macan wrote:
That's a two way street,
we also travel to locations only to get stood up,
we rent equipment and buy perishable supplies only to get stood up.
flaking sucks on both sides of the camera.

I make it intentionally challenging for models to set up time with me so that we are both invested in making it happen,

Model Sarah wrote:
It's your HOBBY. This is our JOB,

Are you saying I don't get paid for this?
Would you like to see my tax returns?
Maybe tour the studio building I own?

Sorry, your answer is just stupid,
Even if I was "just a hobbyist",
Flaking is bullshit, Period.

(Of course, the exception would be for genuine safety concerns.... but even then at least call or text the cancellation)

Chris Macan wrote:
That's a two way street,
we also travel to locations only to get stood up,
we rent equipment and buy perishable supplies only to get stood up.
flaking sucks on both sides of the camera.

I make it intentionally challenging for models to set up time with me so that we are both invested in making it happen,

Camera Buff wrote:
Has a legitimate professional model, expecting to receive a financial income, ever flaked on you?

Or is flaking mostly associated with the unwanted behaviours of amateur hobbyist models and photographers, where in their case generating a livelihood isn't critical?

Yes, a professional model has flaked on me.
Although you would be correct that it is far more common from hobby models.

Chris Macan wrote:
Yes, a professional model has flaked on me.
Although you would be correct that it is far more common from hobby models.

I have never had a model 'flake' on me, no brag just fact.

The nearest time was when a young woman I approached agreed to enter a newspaper's modelling competition. So we verbally arranged a suitable shoot time and date. After which I sent her a written model release agreement stating the details about the shoot. Including appointment times for her hair and makeup immediately prior to her free photo shoot.

I never commit to a model shoot without the subject first returning a signed copy of the Agreement. This agreement points out a sliding scale of the amount of payment required should the subject decide not to proceed with their shoot. This is to cover the loss of income the professional hair stylist and makeup artist will experience if they do not have sufficient time to fill the unexpected vacancy in their bookings.

On this particular occasion the model waited until after her hair and makeup had been completed to contact me to say she was too hung-over to go ahead with her shoot. It was only after I pointed out she had signed a legal agreement and not to proceed will result in her having to pay for the services of the hair and makeup artists. I was just happy she changed her mind as I had a newspaper deadline to meet and to reschedule was not an option.

The model's pictures went on to win her the newspaper's major prize. I was later asked by a Avertising Agency to use her in a major day long shoot on a famous tourist island. My response was I would be happy to put the Agency in touch with this primadonna model, however I would not be interested in working with her and they would need to find another photographer.

Camera Buff wrote:

I have never had a model 'flake' on me, no brag just fact.

The nearest time was when a young woman I approached agreed to enter a newspaper's modelling competition. So we verbally arranged a suitable shoot time and date. After which I sent her a written model release agreement stating the details about the shoot. Including appointment times for her hair and makeup immediately prior to her free photo shoot.

I never commit to a model shoot without the subject first returning a signed copy of the Agreement. This agreement points out a sliding scale of the amount of payment required should the subject decide not to proceed with their shoot. This is to cover the loss of income the professional hair stylist and makeup artist will experience if they do not have sufficient time to fill the unexpected vacancy in their bookings.

On this particular occasion the model waited until after her hair and makeup had been completed to contact me to say she was too hung-over to go ahead with her shoot. It was only after I pointed out she had signed a legal agreement and not to proceed will result in her having to pay for the services of the hair and makeup artists. I was just happy she changed her mind as I had a newspaper deadline to meet and to reschedule was not an option.

The model's pictures went on to win her the newspaper's major prize. I was later asked by a Avertising Agency to use her in a major day long shoot on a famous tourist island. My response was I would be happy to put the Agency in touch with this primadonna model, however I would not be interested in working with her and they would need to find another photographer.

Blackmail, it works every time.
(Leonardo "Toast" meme)