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Photographer

Dror

Posts: 4

Gedera, Hamerkaz, Israel

I am an amateur photographer - mainly landscapes and women in TFP model and am studying Film industry / Cinema. When I taught myself to photograph, I started following photographers online and a large number of them shoots artistic nudes.
Most of the photos are bad tasted and a small number are excellent. I once photographed implicitly nude out of curiosity and I know it's really challenges getting a good photo.
A nude photo can be excellent, but I don't understand the commercial benefit. A small number of nude photographers publish links to paid websites, the majority just upload to various platforms.
My question is whether today, when so much of everything is available through search engines - is there any economic benefit to nude photography?
(I am not referring to businesses that have asked the photographer for photos or selling photos for printing online.)
So- am I missing something here?

May 03 25 03:29 am Link

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Dan Howell

Posts: 3672

Kerhonkson, New York, US

This is the wrong forum for this topic.

May 03 25 04:13 am Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11956

Olney, Maryland, US

Dror wrote:
is there any economic benefit to nude photography?

Not really.

Welcome to MM BTW.

And note that none of your images are really "M". "M" images cannot be seen on the mobile app. You can edit your images to remove those flags.

May 03 25 04:16 am Link

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Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2240

Taylors, South Carolina, US

Depends on the photographer. Some photogs shoot for various publications on a regular basis, like Playboy, and many other men's magazines. They have proven themselves reliable to get the images the magazines need for their publications. Others seek to get to the point where they can get into that market. Some do fine art nudes, to make a name for themselves in the photography as fine art, world. Some simply do them for creative expression, and they might sell some here and there.

Is there a market...........yes. is it easy to get into, not really. You would have to be in markets that have model agencies that supply nude models, on a regular basis. Are there OTHER motives for shooting nudes? Yes. Are all of those good..........no.

In my case, I shoot them as part of a series of imagery, when I have a model who is flexible enough to feel comfortable with doing them. That's for me, a part of the overall creative process. I do not go out of my way to sell them anywhere, because I don't do them to sell.............they are just part of creating a series of images of the model, and when I can find a model where I am now, which has proven difficult to do, I will see if the model is open to doing that. It won't affect my working with them if they decline to do anything exposed, however, as I can design a creative shoot without that, in another category of modeling.

I think I got into doing series photography from doing Lingerie shoots originally, although my first nude was a request from a former portrait model I used, early in my career. I have done a lot of lingerie model images, so it is kind of a natural thing to progress into additional variations, for creative purposes. The more you explore, the better you get at doing people in all kinds of situations. One of my first Lingerie shoots was for a bridal shop to show Lingerie for brides, in their dressing rooms. Then I went on to shoot the models for that, in other shoots, experimenting all the time.

Photography is a continually growing profession, and the more you do of people, the more you learn about doing people, in a variety of situations, and for a variety of purposes. Nudes are not something everyone wants or needs to do.............models or photographers. but the model is part of the creative team, so the more comfortable they are, the more creative the team can be, in creating good images.

One of the reasons photographers look for models who are flexible, is you can use a greater range of models to do all other genres, besides fashion, which is pretty much a "must fit the mold" category. So looking for models that are flexible in what categories they will work in, becomes part of the process of using models who are not necessarily tall, but have other assets. Both male and female photographers do nudes, and some female photographers do them for men's magazines, as well as male photogs.

I did use a model once, who moved to NYC and became a men's magazine model. She was Swedish, and didn't have any hang ups about nudity at all. She even did layouts in cityscapes, fully nude.  So it is up to the individual, whether photographer or model, as to whether they have any interest in doing nudes, and whether they have any concerns about sellng such images to publications.

Almost all photographers will do sexy images of models, whether the models do nudes or not, and they may sell those in the stock photography market, because they choose to shoot what they want to shoot, and then sell it later. It affords them a big sense of freedom, to go where they choose, and shoot what they choose. That is a market that might use an image for almost any kind of purpose, if the image works for a particular purpose. Such sales will typically not be that lucrative financially, for any one photographer, unless the stock agencies take a particular liking to a specific photographer and encourages them to submit images of a type they need more of. There are a lot of photographers who do work on assignments from publications, but those rarely would involve anything revealing of a subject, unless the subject was doing it for the publication.

So, yes, there is money to be made in shooting nudes, if you are in the right place for it, or you have established yourself as a highly skilled glamour photographer, that publications will seek out.

May 03 25 09:14 am Link

Photographer

Dror

Posts: 4

Gedera, Hamerkaz, Israel

Mark Salo wrote:

Not really.

Welcome to MM BTW.

And note that none of your images are really "M". "M" images cannot be seen on the mobile app. You can edit your images to remove those flags.

Thanks. I didn't notice
-and it was quite exhausting to fix.

May 03 25 01:35 pm Link

Photographer

Dror

Posts: 4

Gedera, Hamerkaz, Israel

Lallure Photographic wrote:
Depends on the photographer....
....So, yes, there is money to be made in shooting nudes, if you are in the right place for it, or you have established yourself as a highly skilled glamour photographer, that publications will seek out.

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I agree with most of what you wrote. You basically claim that there are photographers who are asked by agencies and magazines to take nude photos. That's clear and understandable- but in my opinion, for every photographer who works for Playboy, there are thousands or even tens of thousands who take nude photos and don't earn a dime from it.
I know of several artistic nude photographers (who are considered as expert on photography forums) that continuing their "regular" work and photography remains a hobby.

It's still strange to me, because beyond the fact that men like taking photos and looking at naked women, it takes up quite a lot of resources overall.

May 03 25 01:54 pm Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2240

Taylors, South Carolina, US

Yes, hiring models to do nudes can be very expensive. There are ways to minimize excessive expense, though if  you approach it in a certain way. If you are in a market where there are agencies for that, you will find the rates are far more reasonable though, than models on this site.

It is all about what resources do you have, at your disposal. Where I am now, the resources are minimal. In Dallas, where I was before retiring, I had a very good agency with models for that, that was quite reasonable. I have images on my page here, of one of those models. I also have images of lingerie models that were very affordable as well. While more of my work was done in fashion, or product, than nudes, I seldom worked in a studio, unless I needed to rent one to shoot for a client, with minimal hassles, like a bridal line. I prefer to work in real environments. Studio looks, are actually pretty boring to me. I like room settings, outdoor settings, or architectural, or city scape environments. for most of my work. I also used hotel common areas and suites for a lot of my commercial fashion formal gowns, or private clubs. The private women's club worked great for lingerie shoots, when they didn't have anything else going on, and I also shot women's suits and sweaters in that location, in a different area.

You just do, based on what is available to you, in resources.

May 03 25 02:56 pm Link

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Super Dimension Foto

Posts: 134

Portland, Oregon, US

Does everything need to have a commercial justification?

May 04 25 05:14 pm Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2240

Taylors, South Carolina, US

No. The question was asked just to see if there was any commercial application, by an amateur photographer, for that category of work.

May 05 25 07:25 am Link

Photographer

Chris Macan

Posts: 13197

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

Dror wrote:
My question is whether today, when so much of everything is available through search engines - is there any economic benefit to nude photography?

Even with search engines and free work flooding the market there are ways make money with the images one creates.
But also consider that not everyone is in it for the cash.

May 05 25 11:13 am Link

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rich cirminello

Posts: 1037

Dallas, Texas, US

Dror wrote:
My question is whether today, when so much of everything is available through search engines - is there any economic benefit to nude photography?

I don't understand the reference to search engines, but for me there are definitely commercial benefits to photographing nudes. I just uploaded some fresh bodyscapes to my portfolio today.

1: I get paid by models and clients to create nude photographs of themselves
2: some of my nudes have helped me hired for commercial and fashion (not nude) work; how one photographs a nude can be an indication of a number of things including skill level, personal preferences and attitudes toward sexuality, bodies, beauty, and good taste (or bad taste) - as you have noticed and mentioned yourself.
3: my nude photography has helped me get opportunities to show my work in gallery shows - leading to fine art print sales and commissions

There are more commercial benefits... these are just a few.

May 06 25 12:54 pm Link

Photographer

Audrey Rinehart

Posts: 60

New York, New York, US

I have been paid by models, as well as regular people, to shoot nudes. They are used as boudoir photos for "civilians," or for portfolios for models who wish to network for nude content work. It's a market, in and of itself.

May 07 25 04:34 pm Link

Model

Liv Sage

Posts: 467

Seattle, Washington, US

No, there is no economic benefit to nude photography for photographers.

It is the one genre where the person you're working with likely won't hire you (I'd assume someone paying for nude photographs of themselves was in the midst of a crisis lol), and you're likely never going to have a client who is paying for the photos.

But, there are other benefits to it that are not economic. People often pay for the things they enjoy doing regardless of economic benefits, because economic benefits aren't the only thing that matter.
I pay for plenty of things that offer me no economic benefit - in fact, they're often, likely an economic detriment. For example: sewing, embroidery, fancy cooking implements, a ridiculous amount of instant film, and going to the spa.

I think what you're missing here is that the practice of any specific activity is not necessarily economically motivated. Hope that helps.

May 30 25 05:47 am Link