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Shadow Dancer

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Chris Christie is polling at 3%.
He's trying but he is not succeeding.

Often, we are not voting for someone or something, we are voting against it. I won't be voting for a Republican president at this time.

Dec 29 23 09:29 pm Link

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Hunter GWPB

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Christie says he won't pardon trump if he is elected President.  "“It’d be really the easiest pardon decision I would ever have to make as president,” Christie said. “You don’t accept responsibility? Too bad. Go to jail.”"

Yet he doesn't want to hold him accountable under the 14th Amendment?


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ant-trump/

Jan 03 24 03:17 pm Link

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Focuspuller

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Hunter  GWPB wrote:
Christie says he won't pardon trump if he is elected President.  "“It’d be really the easiest pardon decision I would ever have to make as president,” Christie said. “You don’t accept responsibility? Too bad. Go to jail.”"

Yest he doesn't want to hold him accountable under the 14th Amendment?


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ant-trump/

The ultimate irony is that the political descendants of those at the founding who were against a strong federal government and chief executive, are now advocating for a president immune from criminal prosecution and a federal government weaponized in support of an authoritarian  President.

Jan 03 24 07:29 pm Link

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Christie has recently publicly supported the idea that the Constitution shouldn't count- the 14th Amendment, section 3, anyway- and offending provision should be ignored so that the voters can decide what is very simply a Constitutional requirement for office.  Christie has seemingly waffled on the issue of presidents being disqualified on the constitutional requirements that must be met by a would be president.  Age, a natural born citizen, can serve no more than ten years and can be elected no more than twice, and of course, the possession of a character that is good enough to not have been an insurrectionist after swearing an oath to the Constitution. 

The whatchamacallits have attempted to make the qualification of the 14th Amendment moot by claiming the insurrection wasn't an insurrection, it was a riot.  That an insurrection is a riot with political goals seems to have escaped them and calling forth a mob and inciting them certainly counts as participation, though they deny that as well.

It isn't an insurrection when it is your duty as a president to insure the vote is accurate, but all of his challenges failed and we have yet to see all the proof- actually, not even a miniscule amount of proof, that the election was impacted by fraud in 2016 or 2020 or for any of the other elections Republicans scream about.  Failing in court is one thing, but inciting a riot as part of presidential duties?  Nah.

As I said before, I was thinking back and this time I recalled the birther issue.  Do you remember the birther issue?  What was that about?  All of these claims that Obama was born in a foreign country and raised elsewhere?  Does that have something to do with Obama being ineligible to be president on Constitutional grounds?  trump went on about Obama's foreign status for years after Obama produced his long form birth certificate and Christie defended trump- or, at least, lied about what trump did to give trump cover and legitimacy trump never deserved. [1]

Why then should a Constitutional disqualification, which is not a punishment for a crime but a standard of integrity and trust that the Constitution demands to hold office, must be set aside for the will of the voters?  Does anyone think for the blink of an eye that trump and rabid Republicans would have refused to stop an ineligible black man from being on the ballot for the presidency?  Would they have refrained for an instant from going to court to have him removed, or would the step aside under the vague hope that the American electorate would reject a black man?  Then did they accept Obama once he won the office because that was the will of the people?  Or was trump among the chorus of haters that said, "Obama is not my president!"

If the requirement that a president must be a natural born citizen was sufficient to use to attempt to disenfranchise a person who is a natural born citizen (though we know the birther issue was just a smoke screen because it wasn't popular then to simply admit to being a racist), then why reject the insurrection clause in favor of a vote?  Is it because Republicans have no shame?

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics … index.html

Jan 08 24 06:04 pm Link

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Focuspuller

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In any event, knocking  the cult head off the nomination would be satisfying...for a minute. The sad reality is that there are dozens of mini dickhead donnies out there waiting to inherit the devotion of the willingly blind and proudly stupid.

Jan 10 24 12:02 pm Link

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LightDreams

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Chris Chrisie is withdrawing from the Presidential race.

Jan 10 24 02:12 pm Link

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SayCheeZ!

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the Hell with Chris Christie taking down the big dump.  According to the Trump people the president can legally have rivals killed

Trumps attorney says it's OK for a president to assassinate rivals!
Get to it Joe!!!

Trump Lawyer Claims Presidential Immunity Covers Having Rivals Assassinated
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p … 234942963/
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba … -immunity/
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 … -6-vpx.cnn

Jan 10 24 07:10 pm Link

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LightDreams

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SayCheeZ!  wrote:
Trumps attorney says it's OK for a president to assassinate rivals!
Get to it Joe!!!

Yeah, that was the most absurd part of Trump's legal claim filed with the appeals court!

As long as he can make sure that at least 35 members of the Senate won't impeach him, he can do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING he wants.  And, according to his logic, he could have any Senate members that MIGHT impeach him, ALSO killed before any impeachment vote.

And it would all be perfectly legal under current law, at least according to Trump and his lawyer's legal filing.

SERIOUSLY!

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By Trump and his legal team's reasoning, President Biden (or any other sitting President) can have Trump, his legal team and EVERY TRUMP SUPPORTER, ALL ASSASSINATED by various "Seal Team 6" type death squads AND, to make sure that he is completely legally safe, he can also have any members of the Senate that MIGHT impeach him for these assassinations ALSO assassinated.

If he does it THAT way, ALL OF THESE ASSASSINATIONS (again, according to Trump's legal filing) ARE PERFECTLY LEGAL and the President cannot be touched by the legal system for his actions.

He can do absolutely anything he wants and it's all perfectly legal UNLESS the Senate successfully votes to impeach him.  At least those he hasn't (supposedly completely legally) ordered killed or otherwise blocked from voting on the impeachment.

THAT IS TRUMP'S OFFICIAL LEGAL CLAIM AS PRESENTED AT THE APPEALS COURT HEARING YESTERDAY (with Trump appearing in-person for this truly remarkable claim).


Truly scary stuff.

Jan 10 24 08:13 pm Link

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LightDreams

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I can't help being reminded of Nixon's "it's not illegal if the President does it" claim.

Which, by the way, led to the Supreme Court's famous "no one is above the law" ruling...

Jan 10 24 08:32 pm Link

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"A lawyer shall not bring or defend a proceeding, or assert or controvert an issue therein, unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous, which includes a good faith argument for an extension, modification or reversal of existing law. A lawyer for the defendant in a criminal proceeding, or the respondent in a proceeding that could result in incarceration, may nevertheless so defend the proceeding as to require that every element of the case be established."

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/prof … ing%20law.

trump's lawyers should be sanctioned big time.  There is no merit to their claims.  Their arguments in court were absurd.  This has nothing to do with immunity and everything to do with delaying the trial of the psychotic miscreant.  Bill Cosby sat in jail for years because of bad faith on the part of the DA and a bad ruling by the judge. (Not that I do not believe he was innocent.)  Cosby and the rest of us have to appeal after the verdict.  Why does trump get to do it before the verdict. 

In the meantime we get tidbit after morsal about trump's actions regarding the insurrection- more this week on how he refused to stop the violence and relished in the events.  Also, that it was trump himself that sent the tweet claiming Pence didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done, inflaming the fascist rioters all the more.  This guy should be within a hundred miles of DC- ever again.

Jan 11 24 09:20 am Link

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LightDreams wrote:
I can't help being reminded of Nixon's "it's not illegal if the President does it" claim.

Which, by the way, led to the Supreme Court's famous "no one is above the law" ruling...

I read where Alito in a recent interview with the NY Times said the Supreme Court was above the law. 

As far as I'm concerned, Alito and Thomas are now just the billionaires' lap dogs.

Jan 11 24 09:47 am Link