Ransom J wrote:
No.  I don't coddle people. 

I hate stupid questions but I hate coddling even more as it begets MORE stupid questions.  And ignoring it leads to misinformation being promagated and that leads to MORE stupid questions.

Well if you don't want to try and resolve it I really don't think you have any room to complain about it. Some of you seam to think that being rude solves the problem by making the OP's feel too embarrassed to do it again, so how's that working for you? You say that it works yet you still have a huge problem in your eyes. Why not try to avoid the problem, hell post a thread in the forum about how it's hated when people ask stupid already answered questions. I don't care, but just complaining is pointless.

little apple blossom wrote:
These are helpful but I think perhaps it would stick out even more if it were it's own forum, like general mayhem, at the very top of forums above newbie forum. I don't know maybe it would help maybe it'd be the same.

I would agree with you, except that I have to move so many topics that were clearly posted in the wrong forum, that I don't think people even pay much attention to which forum they're posting in.  Making a new forum would probably just be one more forum to be ignored. 

little apple blossom wrote:

Well if you don't want to try and resolve it I really don't think you have any room to complain about it. Some of you seam to think that being rude solves the problem by making the OP's feel too embarrassed to do it again, so how's that working for you. You say that it works yet you still have a huge problem in your eyes. Why not try to avoid the problem, hell post a thread in the forum about how it's hated when people ask stupid already answered questions. I don't care, but just complaining is pointless.

When a child does something stupid, telling them they did something stupid is wrong and rude.  They are children, they are prone to make mistakes and make decisions without thought.  As you mature into an adult you are supposed to learn from your time as a child and no longer DO childish things.  Hence when you do something stupid as an ADULT, there is nothing rude about someone TELLING you what you did was stupid.

The situation has been TRIED to be resolved.  Hence the inclusion of a FAQ and three sticky thread and a search function located all for the green and naive to soak up as much prior knowledge as possible,  Yet for SOME reason YOU and others like yourself don't see this as an attempt at resolution?  THIS is why there is a need for blunt directness.  because no matter how much you do to try to make information readily available to some people SOMEONE is going to come in and tell you it's not enough.

Bull.

Ransom J wrote:

When a child does something stupid, telling them they did something stupid is wrong and rude.  They are children, they are prone to make mistakes and make decisions without thought.  As you mature into an adult you are supposed to learn from your time as a child and no longer DO childish things.  Hence when you do something stupid as an ADULT, there is nothing rude about someone TELLING you what you did was stupid.

The situation has been TRIED to be resolved.  Hence the inclusion of a FAQ and three sticky thread and a search function located all for the green and naive to soak up as much prior knowledge as possible,  Yet for SOME reason YOU and others like yourself don't see this as an attempt at resolution?  THIS is why there is a need for blunt directness.  because no matter how much you do to try to make information readily available to some people SOMEONE is going to come in and tell you it's not enough.

Bull.

the last thing I said

little apple blossom wrote:

the last thing I said

And my response to you above.

little apple blossom wrote:
just complaining is pointless.

So what have YOU done to solve the problem?

Ransom J wrote:

When a child does something stupid, telling them they did something stupid is wrong and rude.  They are children, they are prone to make mistakes and make decisions without thought.  As you mature into an adult you are supposed to learn from your time as a child and no longer DO childish things.  Hence when you do something stupid as an ADULT, there is nothing rude about someone TELLING you what you did was stupid.

The situation has been TRIED to be resolved.  Hence the inclusion of a FAQ and three sticky thread and a search function located all for the green and naive to soak up as much prior knowledge as possible,  Yet for SOME reason YOU and others like yourself don't see this as an attempt at resolution?  THIS is why there is a need for blunt directness.  because no matter how much you do to try to make information readily available to some people SOMEONE is going to come in and tell you it's not enough.

Bull.

Brilliant....Most of the time, people aren't being rude. Pointing someone to another thread or www.newmodels.com isn't rude. But, because someone didn't coddle them and lay it all out for them and made them actually look it up themselves is rude? If you have a problem with researching your questions and problems, you're going to have a rough road ahead of you in general.

TXPhotog wrote:

So what have YOU done to solve the problem?

made a suggestion about a possible solution. I don't have a problem with it, only the people who don't want to do anything about it seam to. I could answer the same types of questions all day long. I find that although they're similar each forum takes on a different life, so it's still interesting to me and if it's not interesting I don't post. I agree with you that it's nice of you to post so that people get someone's opinion that is valid, and I'm sorry that you feel obligated to do so but I think perhaps we could do more, not that we should, but for your own convenience it may help. It may not too, I don't know but no one else seams to want to try anything.

little apple blossom wrote:
I don't know but no one else seams to want to try anything.

Ransom J wrote:
The situation has been TRIED to be resolved.  Hence the inclusion of a FAQ and three sticky thread and a search function located all for the green and naive to soak up as much prior knowledge as possible,  Yet for SOME reason YOU and others like yourself don't see this as an attempt at resolution?  THIS is why there is a need for blunt directness.  because no matter how much you do to try to make information readily available to some people SOMEONE is going to come in and tell you it's not enough.

Bull.

Incredible.

Ransom J wrote:

Incredible.

but if that's not working it's not really a solution, is it? thus something else needs to be tried or you can deal with it the way it is. I don't mind them posting so I really don't care if you make it hard on yourself or not.

little apple blossom wrote:

but if that's not working it's not really a solution, is it? thus something else needs to be tried or you can deal with it the way it is. I don't mind them posting so I really don't care if you make it hard on yourself or not.

You help those that help themselves.  those that chose not to accept the help offered by the site in the form of threads and searches and FAQ's don't deserve any further coddling.

and you seem to be complaining just as much about people complaining as we do about people not taking the time to read or search.

Ransom J wrote:

You help those that help themselves.  those that chose not to accept the help offered by the site in the form of threads and searches and FAQ's don't deserve any further coddling.

and you seem to be complaining just as much about people complaining as we do about people not taking the time to read or search.

okay. you've chosen to keep it the way it is and that is fine with me.

little apple blossom wrote:
here's an idea maybe I should post it in site related discussion, why don't we have a forum on the top that has commonly asked questions in it. It will be called...get ready for it... rump pum pum pum....The Commonly Asked Questions Forum. hmm? With something that obvious holding answers to questions I would say feel free to get on the forum posters a bit, but still be nice because they may not have seen it. I know conditioning them works better but I'd rather be nice than spend my time trying to train other humans like dogs.

I'd like to see those too lazy to read the FAQ's get sent to the BRIG with the ability to get out after they post the correct answer to the question that got them sent there.  This would teach them to look before they ask.

Habenero Photography wrote:

I'd like to see those too lazy to read the FAQ's get sent to the BRIG with the ability to get out after they post the correct answer to the question that got them sent there.  This would teach them to look before they ask.

there's an idea, a little cruel by my standards but it just might work. I would like it better if they got one private warning first, but that's just me.

Habenero Photography wrote:

I'd like to see those too lazy to read the FAQ's get sent to the BRIG with the ability to get out after they post the correct answer to the question that got them sent there.  This would teach them to look before they ask.

Hahaha... Awesome!!!

Habenero Photography wrote:
I'd like to see those too lazy to read the FAQ's get sent to the BRIG with the ability to get out after they post the correct answer to the question that got them sent there.  This would teach them to look before they ask.

Be it resolved, seconded . . . show of hands?

Hey, Tyler!

jasontheartist wrote:
Ive noticed a trend here on this site. It seems like these "search the forums" and "OH God not this again....." are popping up constantly.

Firstly the saying goes "If you have nothing nice to say......." but thats not going to work on here.

So if someone wants to discuss a problem THEY are having why shouldnt they be able to get current feedback from current members?

They should go sift through your verbal history...because you find it offensive to talk about a topic multiple times?

how many times do you talk about the same things everyday? When your friend asks you about something you talked about a few years ago with someone else do you respond with " Hey I talked about that already......"

When a new poster posts something and gets jumped on by you "postmasters" you could be damaging the confidence of newcomers, thats real professional of you.

Ill close with a statment that will lead to some arguing, because thats all that gets any attention on here.

If all you "million post masters" are going to do is complain when new and amateur people post their problems... go sit on your thrones and polish your crowns (dont forget to tell each other how cool you are) while us regular people struggle through our problems.

Maybe you can use the time instead of attacking newcomers to complain to the webmaster and get your own forum catagory?

oh no, not this again! j/k

I agree. New people dont know what's been discussed.

And its easier to get quick responses then to search pages of threads.

~*Isabel Aurora*~ wrote:
I think the main thing that gets me is when people post things like:

"Photographer didn't give me any images. Has this happened to anyone else?"

"A model didn't show and I'm so mad - has this happened to anyone else?"

"How do you feel about escorts??"

These ARE the usuals, and common sense says it's been talked about. But alot of times people discuss these issues for attention or sympathy.

TXPhotog wrote:

Be it resolved, seconded . . . show of hands?

Hey, Tyler!

Thirded.  Or triced.  Whatever, I agree!

Ransom J wrote:

Thirded.  Or triced.  Whatever, I agree!

Fourthed.... Yoohoo, Tyler!!!

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Here's a family example:  One of my daughters was asked to plant some
flowers and we would pay her.  She was 17 at the time.  We left to buy more
plants and when we came back the plants were planted and they looked great.
My wife asked where were the plastic pots they came in.  Yep you guessed it
she had put them into the dirt intact with the pots.  We looked at each other and cracked up and I asked her (my daughter) how did she expect the plants to
grow.  She gave us that look that dogs sometimes do when they are confused.
Then the light went on in her always listing to Bet brain.

My point???  Well, people don't always think.  They should use their common sense
and my daughter has gotten better in some ways (she's in her second year of
of a overpriced college) but quite often they don't.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... that reminds me of the time I was 10 and I forgot to take the wrapper off the cheese before I made grilled cheese...lol

Lamonica wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... that reminds me of the time I was 10 and I forgot to take the wrapper off the cheese before I made grilled cheese...lol

Here's another one.  We were riding in the car and I had bought my daughter
a new sweat suit.  You know one of those overpriced ones that nobody
exercises in.  It was made of Velor.  So my other daughter (the smart one)
said, nice outfit, Velor?  My baby girl then 16 said no, Baby Phat.  We all
fell out.  No fool, whats it made of?  I'm making fun of her but trust me I've
been a complete idiot at times as I've shown many times on these forums.  I
just read where Bob R. left.  Listen guys,  we all have to pull back a bit.  I
know it bothers some of us when people say stupid shit.

I'm not saying it shouldn't but this is a open and free site.  Many of those here
are clueless as I've been at times I'm just smart enough to know it.  I'm
also not ashamed to admit when I don't and I don't have a huge ego so I'm
willing to learn.  Thats me though.  My wife sometimes reads these threads
and is the first to remind me that I'm lazy and need to do some house work or
read a book.  She feels that most of these topics are silly and wonders why
people get so worked up over nothing.  People are being banned over being nasty.
People are leaving in disgust.  I understand some of you feel that the clowns
are running the zoo but whats solved by leaving.  Like I said, pull back a bit.

jasontheartist wrote:
Ive noticed a trend here on this site. It seems like these "search the forums" and "OH God not this again....." are popping up constantly.

Firstly the saying goes "If you have nothing nice to say......." but thats not going to work on here.

So if someone wants to discuss a problem THEY are having why shouldnt they be able to get current feedback from current members?

They should go sift through your verbal history...because you find it offensive to talk about a topic multiple times?

how many times do you talk about the same things everyday? When your friend asks you about something you talked about a few years ago with someone else do you respond with " Hey I talked about that already......"

When a new poster posts something and gets jumped on by you "postmasters" you could be damaging the confidence of newcomers, thats real professional of you.

Ill close with a statment that will lead to some arguing, because thats all that gets any attention on here.

If all you "million post masters" are going to do is complain when new and amateur people post their problems... go sit on your thrones and polish your crowns (dont forget to tell each other how cool you are) while us regular people struggle through our problems.

Maybe you can use the time instead of attacking newcomers to complain to the webmaster and get your own forum catagory?

Because alot of people on this site are ass socks.  They don't understand that the moderators let ANYBODY on this site. And that obviously everyone is not going to be informed on EVERYTHING there is to know about the industry and how it works. Or even how THIS site works. The people with thousands of posts have seen it all and have way too much time on their hands and like to make people feel stupid for their own entertainment values. It almost seems like it's one of those "buyer beware" or "beware of dogs" or "no tresspasing" for newbies situations.  You open the gate, you Better be prepared for what's inside. Maybe they should put up a "warning" or "caution" thingee when people sign up about the murky waters that lurk in dunna na......"THE FORUM".......but that's only IMO.  *ducks from expected ass socks*

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Here's a family example:  One of my daughters was asked to plant some
flowers and we would pay her.  She was 17 at the time.  We left to buy more
plants and when we came back the plants were planted and they looked great.
My wife asked where were the plastic pots they came in.  Yep you guessed it
she had put them into the dirt intact with the pots.  We looked at each other and cracked up and I asked her (my daughter) how did she expect the plants to
grow.  She gave us that look that dogs sometimes do when they are confused.
Then the light went on in her always listing to Bet brain.

My point???  Well, people don't always think.  They should use their common sense
and my daughter has gotten better in some ways (she's in her second year of
of a overpriced college) but quite often they don't.

You know Tony, your daughter reminds me a lot of my son.

Lund Photography wrote:
If you don't want to answer the same questions over and over and over again.. Stop answering them..

See TXPhotog's posts earlier in this thread (look for "stupid accumulates") for a pre-rebuttal.

brown_sugar24 wrote:
The people with thousands of posts have seen it all and have way too much time on their hands and like to make people feel stupid for their own entertainment values.

Why do you believe that the people with thousands of posts both have too much time on their hand, and like to make people feel stupid? Will you still say it if you reach 1000+ posts, or is this one of those "don't trust anyone over 30" rules?

brown_sugar24 wrote:
Because alot of people on this site are ass socks.  They don't understand that the moderators let ANYBODY on this site.