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Model

susan moore

Posts: 3

Halifax, England, United Kingdom

Do models got right for they photo if they don't sign a model from

Oct 25 20 03:25 pm Link

Photographer

SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20621

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Generally speaking:

A model release is for models to give permission to the photographer (or other copyright holder when applicable) to use their image.

A copyright license is for photographer (or other copyright holder when applicable) to use their images.

Oct 25 20 07:50 pm Link

Photographer

P R E S T O N

Posts: 2602

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

susan moore wrote:
Do models got right for they photo if they don't sign a model from

Image usage license vs model release.

In the UK, a model has no statutory right to use the images she/he appears in. The photographer owns copyright and, save in certain exceptions, can do whatever she/he pleases with the image.

If you have been paid to model it's best to assume that you will not be able to use the images yourself. In some cases the photographer may gift you a limited image usage license (eg personal promotion only, no commercial use) but that really depends on the goodwill of the photographer so should not be expected.

If the terms of your engagement are 'TF' then make sure you agree with the photographer in advance the terms of your image usage license, the process of image selection, the quantity of images you may select and the timescales for delivery of retouched (where agreed) images. If you do not agree these things in advance then its highly likely that you will be disappointed.

In either of the above cases you may be asked to sign a model release form. The purpose of the form is to protect the publisher of the images (who may or may not be the photographer himself) in whatever jurisdiction publication takes place. Being asked to sign one is an indication that the photographer intends to commercialise the images. Ideally you should be presented with a copy of the form in advance of the shoot so that you can properly consider its contents. If it's presented to you at the end of a shoot then make sure you read and properly understand it before signing. Strike out anything you're not happy with. A model release form only protects the publisher, it does not protect the model or even the photographer unless he also happens to be the publisher.

Be aware that many UK photographers on modelling sites do not properly understand copyright, licensing and publication and often use the term 'model release' as a misnomer for something else entirely.

Good luck smile

Oct 25 20 11:47 pm Link

Model

susan moore

Posts: 3

Halifax, England, United Kingdom

P R E S T O N wrote:

Image usage license vs model release.

In the UK, a model has no statutory right to use the images she/he appears in. The photographer owns copyright and, save in certain exceptions, can do whatever she/he pleases with the image.

If you have been paid to model it's best to assume that you will not be able to use the images yourself. In some cases the photographer may gift you a limited image usage license (eg personal promotion only, no commercial use) but that really depends on the goodwill of the photographer so should not be expected.

If the terms of your engagement are 'TF' then make sure you agree with the photographer in advance the terms of your image usage license, the process of image selection, the quantity of images you may select and the timescales for delivery of retouched (where agreed) images. If you do not agree these things in advance then its highly likely that you will be disappointed.

In either of the above cases you may be asked to sign a model release form. The purpose of the form is to protect the publisher of the images (who may or may not be the photographer himself) in whatever jurisdiction publication takes place. Being asked to sign one is an indication that the photographer intends to commercialise the images. Ideally you should be presented with a copy of the form in advance of the shoot so that you can properly consider its contents. If it's presented to you at the end of a shoot then make sure you read and properly understand it before signing. Strike out anything you're not happy with. A model release form only protects the publisher, it does not protect the model or even the photographer unless he also happens to be the publisher.

Be aware that many UK photographers on modelling sites do not properly understand copyright, licensing and publication and often use the term 'model release' as a misnomer for something else entirely.

Good luck smile

this person i know she do TF and she argee to it and she have not got the photo for this photographer

Oct 26 20 07:36 am Link

Model

Kayla_Ann

Posts: 73

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

this person i know she do TF and she argee to it and she have not got the photo for this photographer

If she agreed to a TF shoot she should get images from the photographer--or there was no trade at all.

I would say, the best thing she can do is to make sure the photographer is not able to use the images that were taken of her anywhere.. .If it was a TF shoot and she got nothing in return--the agreement between the model and the photographer was breached. As long as she has enough proof that it was supposed to be a TF arrangement, she has enough legal force to make sure the photographer cannot sell or display those images anywhere if she doesn't get what was promised to her in return.

It all depends on how much proof she has.

Oct 26 20 09:52 pm Link

Photographer

FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 6597

Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US

susan moore wrote:
Do models got right for they photo if they don't sign a model from

susan moore wrote:
this person i know she do TF and she argee to it and she have not got the photo for this photographer

Assume the images were not worthy and without a signed release there isn't much the Photographer can do with them.

Live, learn and move on.

Oct 26 20 09:58 pm Link

Photographer

E Thompson Photography

Posts: 719

Hyattsville, Maryland, US

FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:

Assume the images were not worthy and without a signed release there isn't much the Photographer can do with them.

Live, learn and move on.

Remember they are in the United Kingdom, copyright laws are different there. For a good explanation read Preston's post a bit further up. He has a very good summation as he lives and works under them.

Oct 26 20 10:19 pm Link

Model

susan moore

Posts: 3

Halifax, England, United Kingdom

She live and work United kingdom and she  might have to look on about United  kingdom  law about it

Oct 27 20 07:37 am Link